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Post by scallywag on Mar 10, 2023 9:21:46 GMT -5
So I have been smoking a pipe for a couple years. I tend to smoke it on the hot side, and before the end I usually get some gurgle. I do smoke mostly aromatics that I dry to my liking before I smoke. (not looking for advice on how to stop that)
I do have one used Neerup churchwarden that has not gurgled at all. its a bigger bowl than any of the others I have and was curious as to the opinions of why it doesnt gurgle.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2023 12:10:49 GMT -5
Neerup pipes are well made, I would chalk it up to great engineering! Jeff Gracik on an episode of Pipesmagazine podcast talked about the turbulence caused when pipes are not properly engineered. You stay that you tend to smoke “hot”, if you can slowly sip lightly, that might mitigate or solve that problem for you. I have certain pipes that consistently tend to gurgle, and I do not think it has anything to do with moisture content or drooling in the stem. My other pipes with the same tobacco and same smoking technique there is no gurgling at all ever. There can be varying amounts of moisture from pipe to pipe, never producing a gurgle as I run a pipe cleaner down the stem and to the draft hole during a smoke. The gurgling that I have experienced in my pipes I attribute to poor engineering, and a GBD in particular that I have is awful, at some point I am going to dump it on EBay… no way I would sell it to a forum member, friend, pipe club member without declaring that issue. I would be interested to hear if anyone ever bought a new artisan pipe or a new high end pipe only to find out that it gurgles? That would be disappointing as no one (for the most part) accepts smoked pipes back. George had a pretty good article about gurgler’s. www.lepipe.it/en/SmokingPages-Pipe-Gurgle |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 10, 2023 12:28:18 GMT -5
I would just add….
On my Peterson System pipes they never gurgle, but when I clean it after a smoke it has a ton of nasty juice in the well that I dump out. I think that the engineering of that type of pipe causes a lot more moisture to build in there, but still allows one to get a dry smoke. (Just my opinion)
Some pipes are “one and done”… I can have a wonderfully dry smoke, but loading a second bowl does not deliver a dry smoke… that pipe needs to rest.
I have other pipes that are tanks… I can smoke bowl after bowl without a need to let it rest. I am guessing that all the variables that goes into each pipe… engineering and the wood plays a role.
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Post by urbino on Mar 10, 2023 17:54:41 GMT -5
I'll defer to more experienced hands, but I do think smoking hot will tend to produce more moisture and therefore more gurgle. Smoking hot usually equals smoking fast, which doesn't give much time for moisture in the tobacco to cook off before you draw it down into the shank. Smoking hot usually produces more saliva, too, so there's more moisture coming into the shank from both ends.
I have one pipe that I was very disappointed to discover gurgles on me, but right at the moment I can't think which one it is. It'll come to me. It's not an inexpensive one, or I wouldn't have been so disappointed.
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Post by Plainsman on Mar 10, 2023 18:40:11 GMT -5
I agree with Charlie about Pete system pipes. My three have never gurgled. Nor do they use bad language.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 10, 2023 23:21:54 GMT -5
Neerup pipes are well made, I would chalk it up to great engineering! Jeff Gracik on an episode of Pipesmagazine podcast talked about the turbulence caused when pipes are not properly engineered. You stay that you tend to smoke “hot”, if you can slowly sip lightly, that might mitigate or solve that problem for you. I have certain pipes that consistently tend to gurgle, and I do not think it has anything to do with moisture content or drooling in the stem. My other pipes with the same tobacco and same smoking technique there is no gurgling at all ever. There can be varying amounts of moisture from pipe to pipe, never producing a gurgle as I run a pipe cleaner down the stem and to the draft hole during a smoke. The gurgling that I have experienced in my pipes I attribute to poor engineering, and a GBD in particular that I have is awful, at some point I am going to dump it on EBay… no way I would sell it to a forum member, friend, pipe club member without declaring that issue. I would be interested to hear if anyone ever bought a new artisan pipe or a new high end pipe only to find out that it gurgles? That would be disappointing as no one (for the most part) accepts smoked pipes back. George had a pretty good article about gurgler’s. www.lepipe.it/en/SmokingPages-Pipe-GurgleI have had great success fixing gurgling pipes. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 10, 2023 23:25:05 GMT -5
The things that cause gurgling is usually a restricted draw combined with fast smoking and a sharp transition in the smoke path. Usually the stummel end of the stem. Slowing down might fix most of your pipes.
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Post by scallywag on Mar 11, 2023 8:52:58 GMT -5
Thanks Trailboss, that is some great info. I actually have 2 Neerups. One gurgles like the rest (and its the new one).
I am aware my technique lends itself to gurgling. However I often dont have time to set and smoke to refine the craft, but I hope to get there eventually.
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