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Post by jeffd on Aug 6, 2023 17:45:59 GMT -5
So while I have thought that certain tobaccos tasted better in a large wide bowled pipe, and others in a chimney, or that some were better in a cob or better in clay, I have come to the conclusion that I cannot tell whether this is true or not. At all. All tobaccos, if I like them, taste good in all pipes, if I like them. Also, I used to use separate pipes for strong aromatic blends. But I noticed that with cleaning, (i clean every pipe before I fill it, no exceptions) no pipe seems ghosted on to the second bowl of something else. Not to my taste anyway. I had my favorite pipes for CULT Blood Red Moon, and even after smoking that tobacco in them exclusively, when I used them for other tobaccos, Virginia Perique mostly, the cherry flavor was perhaps slightly noticeable in the first VaPer bowl smoked, but not the second. So now I don't even do that. I pick a tobacco I like, I pick a pipe I like, and I get after it. What I may miss in not optimizing for fine differences I cannot always confirm I even experience, I gain in simplicity and not having to remember stuff. In other words, the pleasure of not having to remember what this tobacco should be smoked in or what I smoked in that pipe last gigantially outweighs the incremental taste difference that even brushing my teeth or eating an orange an hour ago might hide. My brain is so packed full of small details whose significance hasn't been tested in years. I need to clean this hard drive! YMMV of course.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 8, 2023 9:36:04 GMT -5
I'm not smoking as frequently for it to make a difference (perhaps), but I've never noticed one pipe's previous tobacco affecting another pipe. I do what you do, Jeff - I pick a tobacco and pick a pipe that takes my fancy, and I work away, oblivious to any ghosting that may or may not exist.
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Post by turbocat on Aug 8, 2023 17:14:21 GMT -5
I don’t know, that’s kind of like saying that if you like steak, you’ll like it just as much if it’s boiled instead of grilled. Personally, I pick specific pipes to enhance the qualities of tobaccos that I like.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 8, 2023 19:20:52 GMT -5
My experience pretty much mirrors yours, Jeff with a caveat. I do like Virginia blends in smaller pipes, Larger, wide pipes for English blends seem to work better.
No pipe dedications otherwise for me.
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Post by username on Aug 8, 2023 19:21:47 GMT -5
I only have one pipe dedicated and that's for condor as that stuff can ghost real bad.
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Post by jeffd on Aug 8, 2023 22:34:42 GMT -5
I will fully agree that those with more discerning taste than me can detect the effect of the pipe and pair the type of pipe with the type of tobacco. I am not saying it is not true.
Just that I am not sure I can tell the difference myself.
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Post by turbocat on Aug 9, 2023 0:16:12 GMT -5
As I smoke some GH Dark Aromatic Flake in a BC Origine, (a tobacco that smokes wildly different for me based on which pipe I use, and also drying and preparation) This thread had me thinking about why different pipes produce different smoking experiences for me. I realized that it’s become automatic for me to change and pair pipes to tobacco without thinking of the mechanics of it anymore.
I have seen people who may have 20 commercially produced briar pipes with variations in bowl sizes and depths that for the sake of discussion say all smoke reasonably well in general. In that situation, in my mind I would expect no notable differences in any of them in the way different tobacco smokes. I don’t think that the differences are great enough between common pipes, unless there is a stack in the mix.
For me, taking the Dark Aromatic Flake I’m smoking now, this is a tobacco that produces drastically different results for me based on which pipe I’m using. I picked the BC Origine because it concentrates the toppings and smokes sweeter in it, which I wanted when I decided to smoke it. In a meerschaum, the toppings play less of a role and can be a little sharp, while the tobacco comes forward more. In a calabash, I find it washes out the tobacco a bit, it becomes more one note. I never smoke it in a calabash. In a clay, it’s almost unrecognizable from other pipes, the tobacco comes forward rather robustly and the toppings are far more subtle.
I could list many examples, but the other thing that changes the flavor most commonly is bowl depth, deep bowls clearly show the result of the tobacco lower in the bowl being affected by the heat and smoke passing over from smoking the earlier part. A more common depth bowl will likely not create this effect to the same level, if at all. Truly large bowls on some of my antique pipes, say 1 1/2” diameter and 2-3” in depth really changes things up.
As with most of my posts, just some thoughts and not directed at jeffd or anyone else, just general discussion.
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Post by jeffd on Aug 11, 2023 10:51:43 GMT -5
Iprefer the deep bowls. Minimum an inch but prefer deeper. But not so much for how it effects the taste. More for how it keeps me smoking longer without interruption to load another pipe. never seem to want a quick pipe. I went through a period of smoking chimneys, and I loved it. I could have sworn it changed the flavor. But I am not so sure any more. A chimney is a very wonderful pipe to smoke, for heat and flame management, for a good long smoke, a bunch of reasons. But I am not sure taste is one of them.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 12, 2023 5:46:01 GMT -5
Iprefer the deep bowls. Minimum an inch but prefer deeper. But not so much for how it effects the taste. More for how it keeps me smoking longer without interruption to load another pipe. never seem to want a quick pipe. I went through a period of smoking chimneys, and I loved it. I could have sworn it changed the flavor. But I am not so sure any more. A chimney is a very wonderful pipe to smoke, for heat and flame management, for a good long smoke, a bunch of reasons. But I am not sure taste is one of them. Funny, a chimney pipe is one kind of pipe that I don't have. I'm not a fan of the shape, but if the benefits outweigh the shape, I should consider adding one to the collection.
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Post by urbino on Aug 12, 2023 13:41:16 GMT -5
Iprefer the deep bowls. Minimum an inch but prefer deeper. But not so much for how it effects the taste. More for how it keeps me smoking longer without interruption to load another pipe. never seem to want a quick pipe. I went through a period of smoking chimneys, and I loved it. I could have sworn it changed the flavor. But I am not so sure any more. A chimney is a very wonderful pipe to smoke, for heat and flame management, for a good long smoke, a bunch of reasons. But I am not sure taste is one of them. Funny, a chimney pipe is one kind of pipe that I don't have. I'm not a fan of the shape, but if the benefits outweigh the shape, I should consider adding one to the collection. I've got 2 or 3 of them. They're also really handy in windy conditions.
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Post by Zach on Aug 21, 2023 17:16:38 GMT -5
I think this topic is somewhat of two main categories; different tobaccos certainly smoke quite differently in different pipe mediums; cob, briar, meer, etc. The second category being whether or not you want to or discern differences in dedicating pipes to one tobacco or mixture, or even genre type.
In terms of for example category one, what smokes best in a briar or for example, a corn cob. I think those of us longterm cob smokers know, good burley based blends smoke night and day different in the cob compared to the briar pipe. I think when smoking Haunted Bookshop in any cob, one gets the softer and expanded flavors and a much cooler smoke. You can taste the two burley components, you can taste the VA, and you can taste the Perique. In a briar, Haunted Bookshop smokes like it’s an entirely different tobacco. It becomes more muddied, amalgamated, hotter, more bitter, and more monotoned.
But in terms of category two here, I think ghosting of a pipe for whichever blend one wants to smoke next is severely overhyped. I have Virginia pipes where I can smoke ten bowls of Ennerdale Flake in the pipe, then two bowls of something like HH Pure Virginia, and there will be no ghosting of Ennerdale flavorings midway through the second bowl of that Pure Virginia. So many folks claim Ennerdale is so strong, and will ghost a pipe forever, or for tens of bowls. I claim that is nonsense altogether. I smoke pure VAs through my dedicated Ennerdale pipes, because I do have a couple pipes primarily dedicated to Ennerdale, which most will agree is one of the heaviest casings of aromatics out there, and I could smoke 150 bowls of Ennerdale Flake through a pipe and still taste only Pure Virginia by the 2nd or 3rd bowl witht only the faintest hint of Ennerdale by that 3rd bowl. In many of my cobs, I will genre hop altogether and smoke cigar, burley, English mixtures, VA flake and not care about what it smokes next. That being said, I will usually keep a couple briars and cobs dedicated to English blends for a year or two, and after thoroughly cleaning them with Everclear, change them to a Virginia pipe. I tend to believe that meerschaum pipes mute tobaccos rather than concentrate their flavors, as I believe that briar tends to do. To an extent, fresh cob mutes flavors and filters a bit more the first 50 bowls or so until it’s broken in. C&D burleys belong in cobs and I primarily only smoke those mixtures in cobs.
Sort of a third category being talked about is bowl size and depth affecting flavor. I believe it certainly does, and for similar reasons, that is why each cigar is made in different ring gauges and lengths. The same tobacco blend tastes different the bigger the cherry smoldering, and the concentration of the tobacco oils and tars.
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Post by jonmc75 on Mar 6, 2024 17:24:20 GMT -5
I think this topic is somewhat of two main categories; different tobaccos certainly smoke quite differently in different pipe mediums; cob, briar, meer, etc. The second category being whether or not you want to or discern differences in dedicating pipes to one tobacco or mixture, or even genre type. In terms of for example category one, what smokes best in a briar or for example, a corn cob. I think those of us longterm cob smokers know, good burley based blends smoke night and day different in the cob compared to the briar pipe. I think when smoking Haunted Bookshop in any cob, one gets the softer and expanded flavors and a much cooler smoke. You can taste the two burley components, you can taste the VA, and you can taste the Perique. In a briar, Haunted Bookshop smokes like it’s an entirely different tobacco. It becomes more muddied, amalgamated, hotter, more bitter, and more monotoned. But in terms of category two here, I think ghosting of a pipe for whichever blend one wants to smoke next is severely overhyped. I have Virginia pipes where I can smoke ten bowls of Ennerdale Flake in the pipe, then two bowls of something like HH Pure Virginia, and there will be no ghosting of Ennerdale flavorings midway through the second bowl of that Pure Virginia. So many folks claim Ennerdale is so strong, and will ghost a pipe forever, or for tens of bowls. I claim that is nonsense altogether. I smoke pure VAs through my dedicated Ennerdale pipes, because I do have a couple pipes primarily dedicated to Ennerdale, which most will agree is one of the heaviest casings of aromatics out there, and I could smoke 150 bowls of Ennerdale Flake through a pipe and still taste only Pure Virginia by the 2nd or 3rd bowl witht only the faintest hint of Ennerdale by that 3rd bowl. In many of my cobs, I will genre hop altogether and smoke cigar, burley, English mixtures, VA flake and not care about what it smokes next. That being said, I will usually keep a couple briars and cobs dedicated to English blends for a year or two, and after thoroughly cleaning them with Everclear, change them to a Virginia pipe. I tend to believe that meerschaum pipes mute tobaccos rather than concentrate their flavors, as I believe that briar tends to do. To an extent, fresh cob mutes flavors and filters a bit more the first 50 bowls or so until it’s broken in. C&D burleys belong in cobs and I primarily only smoke those mixtures in cobs. Sort of a third category being talked about is bowl size and depth affecting flavor. I believe it certainly does, and for similar reasons, that is why each cigar is made in different ring gauges and lengths. The same tobacco blend tastes different the bigger the cherry smoldering, and the concentration of the tobacco oils and tars. fantastic post, very informative, thank you.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 6, 2024 19:06:05 GMT -5
Everything depends on everything else. I have one pipe that had only ever smoked Frog Morton Cellar. I have tried the FMC in other pipes and it was always missing something. I tried Penzance in a dozen pipes before I found one that worked. I don't really worry anything else. I will try a new tobacco in several pipes to see if one works best. My favorites, like Wilke #191, #515, Rumkake and Best Make are all good in any pipe. Same with my fallback, Captain Black Royal. If this isn't an answer to the question asked, sorry.
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Post by jonmc75 on Mar 7, 2024 4:10:01 GMT -5
Again only a newbie, but I have found myself naturally doing just this, I keep cobs for aros, briars for Va's VaPers and English/Balkan, I usually smoke one tobacco to one pipe, but I have a 626 Sav that just loves honey/vanilla type aros like Stokkebye 57/rainydays etc. Cobs are great with aros though, they just work, and seem to release the flavours more consistently. The country gentleman, or diplomat bent apple being among my favourites.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Mar 7, 2024 8:22:35 GMT -5
So while I have thought that certain tobaccos tasted better in a large wide bowled pipe, and others in a chimney, or that some were better in a cob or better in clay, I have come to the conclusion that I cannot tell whether this is true or not. At all. All tobaccos, if I like them, taste good in all pipes, if I like them. Also, I used to use separate pipes for strong aromatic blends. But I noticed that with cleaning, (i clean every pipe before I fill it, no exceptions) no pipe seems ghosted on to the second bowl of something else. Not to my taste anyway. I had my favorite pipes for CULT Blood Red Moon, and even after smoking that tobacco in them exclusively, when I used them for other tobaccos, Virginia Perique mostly, the cherry flavor was perhaps slightly noticeable in the first VaPer bowl smoked, but not the second. So now I don't even do that. I pick a tobacco I like, I pick a pipe I like, and I get after it. What I may miss in not optimizing for fine differences I cannot always confirm I even experience, I gain in simplicity and not having to remember stuff. In other words, the pleasure of not having to remember what this tobacco should be smoked in or what I smoked in that pipe last gigantially outweighs the incremental taste difference that even brushing my teeth or eating an orange an hour ago might hide. My brain is so packed full of small details whose significance hasn't been tested in years. I need to clean this hard drive! YMMV of course.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Mar 7, 2024 9:28:54 GMT -5
CONGRATULATIONS!
For years I was vexed, I lost sleep, I was worried by all the hype. I just couldn't train my damn, comatose palate to discern all those woody, smoky, toasty, piney, yeasty, oaty, nuances of the various tobacco mixtures. After getting in touch with my inner child, deep down inside, I knew I could never, I knew I would never, be part of those rarified clubs of pipe sippers and snobby, pretentious wine tasters. So, I schvitzed over just what pipe must be paired to which blend...were the bowls big enough, were the walls thick enough to load with VaPers, were the stems hand cut, made from acrylic, or Vulcanite, will the contrast-stained, grain-orientation work with that must-be-aged-for-8 years English blend, what phase was the moon in? Should I go take a good lunt? Decisions and complicated plans had to be made! Oye vey!!!...will my pipe-du-jour be forever ghosted by Lakeland's perfumed offerings?
After reading some of the postings on the pipe forums, I was a dejected mess. Should I seek counseling? ... or, should I just lurk, or, better, leave the forums? Then I finally realized that 95% of everything, is bull-sh*t!
Penultimate bottom line: Almost everything about pipe smoking is totally subjective, and mostly anecdotal, almost no pipe-ish claims have any demonstrative science behind them. No one knows how much cake is good or how much cake is bad. Pipe-smokers will believe what they wanna believe. That's OK. It's all good. No harm, no foul. It's all part of the fun. You get to choose what to think and follow. Not being too satisfied with the pipe(s) you have could be a virtue, and could be used as a great excuse to justify buying yet another, pipe. You get to pick your poison. Nirvana could be elusive.
Bottom line: Your grandpa would've smoked any pipe he had, loaded with any codger pipe tobacco that was available.
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Post by Plainsman on Mar 7, 2024 9:32:19 GMT -5
I always look forward to Zach’s and Turbocat’s analysis posts. Informative and entertaining.
I like a deep pipe myself. My Houses and Pubs are all around 2-1/4”.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 7, 2024 18:28:35 GMT -5
CONGRATULATIONS! For years I was vexed, I lost sleep, I was worried by all the hype. I just couldn't train my damn, comatose palate to discern all those woody, smoky, toasty, piney, yeasty, oaty, nuances of the various tobacco mixtures. After getting in touch with my inner child, deep down inside, I knew I could never, I knew I would never, be part of those rarified clubs of pipe sippers and snobby, pretentious wine tasters. So, I schvitzed over just what pipe must be paired to which blend...were the bowls big enough, were the walls thick enough to load with VaPers, were the stems hand cut, made from acrylic, or Vulcanite, will the contrast-stained, grain-orientation work with that must-be-aged-for-8 years English blend, what phase was the moon in? Should I go take a good lunt? Decisions and complicated plans had to be made! Oye vey!!!...will my pipe-du-jour be forever ghosted by Lakeland's perfumed offerings? After reading some of the postings on the pipe forums, I was a dejected mess. Should I seek counseling? ... or, should I just lurk, or, better, leave the forums? Then I finally realized that 95% of everything, is bull-sh*t! Penultimate bottom line: Almost everything about pipe smoking is totally subjective, and mostly anecdotal, almost no pipe-ish claims have any demonstrative science behind them. No one knows how much cake is good or how much cake is bad. Pipe-smokers will believe what they wanna believe. That's OK. It's all good. No harm, no foul. It's all part of the fun. You get to choose what to think and follow. Not being too satisfied with the pipe(s) you have could be a virtue, and could be used as a great excuse to justify buying yet another, pipe. You get to pick your poison. Nirvana could be elusive. Bottom line: Your grandpa would've smoked any pipe he had, loaded with any codger pipe tobacco that was available. Grasshopper, you have achieved enlightenment. Have a pipe.
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Post by CrustyCat on Mar 8, 2024 0:05:26 GMT -5
I usually smoke one tobacco for a long time, in whatever pipe I grab laying on top of my cabinet.
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