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Post by trailboss on Sept 24, 2023 16:44:24 GMT -5
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 24, 2023 18:05:16 GMT -5
Thanks for posting this. I read the accounts on your link with great interest. I’m thankful that I have had peaceful bear encounters, but never one with an aggressive, attacking one. The dogs and I have spent a lot of time on a special mountain in Wyoming, well populated with bear. I always carry a 7-1/2” barreled Ruger Blackhawk in 45 Colt, loaded with very hot Buffalo Bore hard-cast bullets— a combination that puts the 44 Magnum in the shade and hurts like hell to shoot. I was particularly interested in the accounts of the successful use the 9mm Parabellum. While my Hi-Power with 16 rounds of hardball 115gr at 1000-1100FPS of great penetration might suffice I think I would still prefer something a little heavier. I hope none of our friends here have such an experience. It’s apt to smart and just plain ruin your day, and maybe the bear’s as well.
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Post by don on Sept 24, 2023 18:11:47 GMT -5
I would not feel undefended against the black bears we have, with my 357, 10mm, 44 Special or 45 ACP. All would be adequate. I want a heavy slug. That said, in somewhere around 500 nights sleeping outdoors in the mountain and desert west, I have never had an encounter with a bear or cat where I had to bring a sidearm into play. I have carefully avoided many an agitated rattlesnake. Falls, weather and dangerous “primates” have caused me a problem or two, however. I have known several people who fell to their death, one friend who drowned and my son likely died from exposure to the cold. Bad decision making was a factor in all the cases I am thinking of.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 24, 2023 18:45:21 GMT -5
Dave Workman announced his retirement at the meeting…. Him and Dean Weingarten had a good discussion at the end of the day.
Two legends in the Right to keep and bear arms movement… hung out with Massad Ayoob and presented him with a gift that he was floored by. Tom Gresham which is a second generation legend, son of Grits Gresham.
And an amazing amount of lawyers, and proponents that are guided by truth and morality… instead of the evil skunks that they defend us from.
A fine weekend.
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 24, 2023 18:48:37 GMT -5
Is there hope?
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Post by urbino on Sept 24, 2023 19:08:01 GMT -5
I would think much depends on what kind of bear your son-in-law is apt to encounter. A black bear, I would think any number of commonly available and relatively soft-shooting cartridges would do the job. A grizzly or polar bear . . . well, I'd likely die of a heart attack before the pistol mattered.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 24, 2023 19:10:12 GMT -5
I would think much depends on what kind of bear your son-in-law is apt to encounter. A black bear, I would think any number of commonly available and relatively soft-shooting cartridges would do the job. A grizzly or polar bear . . . well, I'd likely die of a heart attack before the pistol mattered. If you can read through Dean Weingarten’s articles, you may be surprised. |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 24, 2023 19:13:37 GMT -5
I hope so, there needs to be a concerted effort to engage the next generation… even Mas said that looking across the scalps it looked like Q-tips. The younger folk need an awakening, or they will have to resign themselves to servitude. |
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 24, 2023 19:35:51 GMT -5
Not sure we can awake the terminally comatose.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 26, 2023 10:23:35 GMT -5
Based upon years of experience in the woods and numerous encounters with bears, there is only one sure fire self defense system. This never fails.
When hiking in the woods, always carry a Bucket of KFC, does not matter which variety. If a bear is encountered, toss the Bucket. No Bruin can resist the Colonel's Eleven Herbs and Spices. Use the time to back away. If no bear is spotted luncheon will be served. Seems like a win-win to me.
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 26, 2023 12:19:21 GMT -5
A patient bear can get both.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 26, 2023 13:26:05 GMT -5
Take the Colonel with you as the carrier of the bucket, that should do it.
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 26, 2023 14:19:37 GMT -5
Or you could invite Joe for a picnic.
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Post by don on Sept 26, 2023 18:48:35 GMT -5
I recall a backpacking trip I took in the desert with a couple of friends once. All I brought for a side-arm was a Ruger Single Six 22LR. I intended to plink with it. One of the guys asked me if it would stop a mountain lion. I said “No, but it will slow you down for the cat, while I run away.”
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Post by urbino on Sept 26, 2023 18:54:01 GMT -5
I recall a backpacking trip I took in the desert with a couple of friends once. All I brought for a side-arm was a Ruger Single Six 22LR. I intended to plink with it. One of the guys asked me if it would stop a mountain lion. I said “No, but it will slow you down for the cat, while I run away.” Heh. I mean, a well placed shot could theoretically stop a mountain lion. The tricky part is it would require you to know the critter was there before it had pounced on you and ripped your throat out. |
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Post by don on Sept 26, 2023 20:45:51 GMT -5
When I am rockhounding in cat country, I have always felt like my rock hammer, gad, pick or San Angelo bar could almost be as effective if a cat jumped on me. I have read stories of people using a hand gun and missing a lot or even completely during a lion attack. Cave-man, blunt force weapons might be more effective if the animal is already on you. Who knows?
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Post by Plainsman on Sept 27, 2023 8:23:18 GMT -5
Far as I know we’ve never had a cat attack here. They’re still too afraid of us. It’s the “crowding” areas that have trouble with them.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 27, 2023 10:34:09 GMT -5
Take the Colonel with you as the carrier of the bucket, that should do it. I can probably outrun the Colonel. Fine old gentleman that he was, seems a shame to leave him, eh? |
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Post by don on Sept 27, 2023 14:25:18 GMT -5
I have been in a few slot canyon type of situations where the hair on the back of my neck felt like it was standing up. I knew I was in a cat’s front yard, having seen tracks, scat, kills and lots of viable den sites. I paid attention to the caveman instincts and made a little noise, kept my head on a swivel, avoided crouching down and then backed out. I have experienced this sensation 3-4 times in many years of desert prospecting and hiking. I think it is wise to pay attention to instinct. I believe it is possible that we can smell or see something that is a threat and it doesn’t fully register in our modern distracted brain. I take it seriously when I feel it.
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Post by toshtego on Sept 27, 2023 18:44:36 GMT -5
I have been in a few slot canyon type of situations where the hair on the back of my neck felt like it was standing up. I knew I was in a cat’s front yard, having seen tracks, scat, kills and lots of viable den sites. I paid attention to the caveman instincts and made a little noise, kept my head on a swivel, avoided crouching down and then backed out. I have experienced this sensation 3-4 times in many years of desert prospecting and hiking. I think it is wise to pay attention to instinct. I believe it is possible that we can smell or see something that is a threat and it doesn’t fully register in our modern distracted brain. I take it seriously when I feel it. Good that you listen to your instincts. The big kitty probably would prefer to avoid contact so it is good to meet cat halfway and exit. |
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Post by jeffd on Sept 28, 2023 12:38:04 GMT -5
When walking in the woods, always travel in packs of five, three of whom run slower than you do.
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Post by don on Sept 28, 2023 17:29:26 GMT -5
When walking in the woods, always travel in packs of five, three of whom run slower than you do. Wisdom from a wise man. |
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Post by toshtego on Oct 3, 2023 14:30:31 GMT -5
A sow Black Bear and mature cub moved in next door. There is an old apple orchard and many other trees. The homeowner does not mind nor do I.
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 5, 2023 9:23:59 GMT -5
Bears that grow accustomed to people like to drop in for coffee and doughnuts.
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Post by toshtego on Oct 6, 2023 10:20:54 GMT -5
Bears that grow accustomed to people like to drop in for coffee and doughnuts. Suits me. Considering the rubbish spoken by so many humans these days, the company of bruins would be welcome.  |
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Post by Plainsman on Oct 6, 2023 11:45:38 GMT -5
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Post by toshtego on Oct 6, 2023 13:40:58 GMT -5
We will start with Checkers.
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Post by urbino on Oct 6, 2023 14:13:20 GMT -5
Let the Wookie win.
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Post by Ronv69 on Oct 6, 2023 19:59:26 GMT -5
Bears that grow accustomed to people like to drop in for coffee and doughnuts. If you give them peanuts, they will ignore the trash, within reason. |
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Post by trailboss on Oct 7, 2023 9:17:39 GMT -5
Bears that grow accustomed to people like to drop in for coffee and doughnuts. If you give them peanuts, they will ignore the trash, within reason. You just have to shell them quickly, a hungry bear can be an impatient bear.😉😂 |
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