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Post by jeffd on Nov 7, 2023 10:40:07 GMT -5
I have a friend who smokes cigarettes. Not a super heavy smoker that one might write home about, but certainly a committed smoker.
I am contemplating the "wisdom" of recommending she get into pipe smoking as a way to mitigate the risk.
We kind of know that nicotine is "no part of nuthin" as it is not a carcinogen, and not very dangerous in and of itself. I have seen it compared to caffeine.
What I wonder is whether cigarettes are more "dangerous" because of the junk added to cigarette tobacco, or is it more because of the way cigarettes are smoked deep into your lungs.
If the former, then just rolling her own with pipe tobacco might really be an answer. And of course smoking pipe.
If the latter, I am not sure if pipe smoking would really help. Could she keep from deeply inhaling and smoking down into her lungs.
I am not sure what to recommend, or to just keep my mouth shut. Probably keep my mouth shut.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 7, 2023 16:42:48 GMT -5
Trying to talk to a cigarette smoker about anything related to smoking is like trying to talk politics with someone from the opposite party.
Mention it, but don't have expectations. Do you smoke a pipe in her presence?
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Post by urbino on Nov 7, 2023 17:49:07 GMT -5
Cigarette tobacco is mostly chemicals. It’s modified to deliver nicotine as efficiently and addictively as possible, and to burn at a specific pace, among other things. Those are what really do the damage. The fact that the smoke is inhaled is a big contributor too, but what they’re inhaling is the big problem, as I understand it (not a doctor).
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Post by Legend Lover on Nov 8, 2023 6:16:42 GMT -5
Maybe buy them a pipe and some tobacco as a present and see if they take to it 🤷🏻♂️
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Post by jeffd on Nov 8, 2023 11:42:31 GMT -5
If one "knew" that she would approach pipe smoking as is traditional with pipe smokers - tasting the smoke and expelling it, and not abusing the lungs with it - I would predict some success in quitting cigarettes. Look at all you get:
-you get your nic hit, you have great fiddly ritualistic things to do with your hands,
-you have the transgressive fun of pissing off do-gooders,
-you partake in the long long tradition of conquering elemental nature (fire) and bending it to human purposes (pleasure).
OTOH I think there is wisdom in recognizing that often enough "trying to talk to a cigarette smoker about anything related to smoking is like" yelling into a bucket. Insanity is expecting different results from the same actions. You do what you did you get what you got.
OTOOH I still wonder if there is any wisdom to pipe smoking as a way to quit cigarette smoking. Is it the tobacco or the inhale, (as we know its not the nic).
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 8, 2023 11:52:58 GMT -5
The imponderables, which we nevertheless ponder.
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Post by peteguy on Nov 8, 2023 15:32:38 GMT -5
Offer her a pipe and a nice sampler. Setup a few smoke sessions. Let her decide.
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Post by urbino on Nov 8, 2023 18:33:54 GMT -5
Offer her a pipe and a nice sampler. Setup a few smoke sessions. Let her decide. Yup. I think making it a bit social will help. |
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Post by trailboss on Nov 9, 2023 0:19:19 GMT -5
“ What I wonder is whether cigarettes are more "dangerous" because of the junk added to cigarette tobacco, or is it more because of the way cigarettes are smoked deep into your lungs. ”
With the massive settlement with the government years ago, one of the agreements made was that the cigarette manufacturers were protected from disclosing what they put in the smokes.
That told me that the government was not really concerned about health, it was all about the money.
And for the likes of Philip Morris and friends had to be lacing their product with chemicals of some sort….
I do think ingestion into the lungs is obviously a huge factor. Rush Limbaugh spoke about how all the men in his family lived to be 100 or close to it. He smoked cigars pretty heavily after quitting cigarettes many years before. I saw a video of him clearly inhaling the smoke, and he later found out that he had stage 4 lung cancer.
Anecdotal for sure, but I think that was a huge factor.
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Post by Goldbrick on Nov 9, 2023 12:51:00 GMT -5
Cigarette tobacco is mostly chemicals. It’s modified to deliver nicotine as efficiently and addictively as possible, and to burn at a specific pace, among other things. Those are what really do the damage. The fact that the smoke is inhaled is a big contributor too, but what they’re inhaling is the big problem, as I understand it (not a doctor). To this I think I can offer a personal note. My wife underwent surgery last week the remove a cancerous mass from her left lung. She has smoked cigarettes as long as I've know her, and we've been married 46 years. For at least the 12 years since my heart attack, I have begged her to try a pipe and toss the ciggs to the wayside. I purchased pipes more to her style, and tobacco I thought she might take to, and not one time has she tried either. In the eighties we new a fellow, the meanest old man I've yet to meet, who had two strokes in his history, and smoked four packs a day. I mentored him over to the pipe and he lived another fifteen years, working a seven day set of some giant Tinder Box seconds and a quarter pound of Crown Royal a week. My point is...for some it will work, and for some it wont, but every time I see my heart doctor, I tell him to put a little jar of cob pipe on his counter, next to the ink pens. Good luck in your quest, Herb. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2023 23:47:00 GMT -5
My brother went from 2 CARTONS of Marlboros a day to zero after a session with a hypnotist. But he wanted to quit. He was 34 and lived to 74, but he had 8 bypass surgeries.
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Post by urbino on Nov 12, 2023 0:06:16 GMT -5
My brother went from 2 CARTONS of Marlboros a day to zero after a session with a hypnotist. But he wanted to quit. He was 34 and lived to 74, but he had 8 bypass surgeries. Is this the one who recently passed? |
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 12, 2023 4:22:59 GMT -5
I'd just leave her be. You may just be adding another vice. I use all of it daily.  |
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Post by Plainsman on Nov 13, 2023 9:59:29 GMT -5
Two CARTONS a day? Whoa!
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 13, 2023 15:51:13 GMT -5
My brother went from 2 CARTONS of Marlboros a day to zero after a session with a hypnotist. But he wanted to quit. He was 34 and lived to 74, but he had 8 bypass surgeries. Is this the one who recently passed? It seems recent, but it was January 2014. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 13, 2023 15:53:46 GMT -5
Yep. I worked for him and I had to go to the store and buy them every day. Along with the 2 fiths of Shenley Reserve whiskey. He would light another cig when the first one was 2/3 down and had 2 burning at once for at least 18 hours a day. |
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