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Post by urbino on Jan 7, 2024 21:05:35 GMT -5
Well durn. I've heard that can be a problem with that style of stock, but never heard it associated specifically with the No. 1.
Nice cartridge.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 7, 2024 21:47:48 GMT -5
They’re offering a No. 1 in 275 Rigby now. Would love to have one but won’t pay the price. (That was Karamojo Bell’s elephant cartridge. True to form the Brits had to rename a German cartridge to something “English.” It’s actually just the 7x57 Mauser.)
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 7, 2024 22:31:11 GMT -5
I have a Ruger 10/22 International. I wanted one for years and got a good deal on a new one from Gun Broker. Haven't shot it yet. It started with the Ruger M77 RSI. such a beautiful and sweet handling rifle. Great iron sights. The accuracy is sufficient for hunting purposes. I also liked my 1895 Austrian Mannlicher, until I shot it. But I had a M77 Ultralight with the walnut stock that was very nice and the stock configuration was the same. Anyway, for general purposes, full stocks are fine.
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Post by don on Jan 7, 2024 23:41:26 GMT -5
They’re offering a No. 1 in 275 Rigby now. Would love to have one but won’t pay the price. (That was Karamojo Bell’s elephant cartridge. True to form the Brits had to rename a German cartridge to something “English.” It’s actually just the 7x57 Mauser.) He killed a lot of animals with that round. He was an expert at shot placement. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 0:16:13 GMT -5
They’re offering a No. 1 in 275 Rigby now. Would love to have one but won’t pay the price. (That was Karamojo Bell’s elephant cartridge. True to form the Brits had to rename a German cartridge to something “English.” It’s actually just the 7x57 Mauser.) He killed a lot of animals with that round. He was an expert at shot placement. He also used a .256 Mannlicher Shoenaur with the sweet butter knife bolt handle for things smaller than elephants. Hate to think about killing all those elephants, but it was a hundred years ago and everything was different, so I can't judge. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 9:13:02 GMT -5
If only we could do this across the board. That is, judging men and their deeds by the times in which they lived. But it takes a measure of intelligence to do that, and it is in short supply these days.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 10:56:07 GMT -5
Just to be ornery I have decided to name my go-to deer rifle the 7x51 American. So there, Rigby.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 14:56:19 GMT -5
Just to be ornery I have decided to name my go-to deer rifle the 7x51 American. So there, Rigby. 7mmm08? Should be more American, .284/08.😁 |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 16:07:26 GMT -5
Yes, the superb 7-08. Over the years I have taken deer with a very wide variety of excellent cartridges. But nothing has performed as well or as consistently as the 7-08.
Ain’t it fun to chat about Cap-and-ball revolvers?🙄
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 16:35:16 GMT -5
I had a 7mm Magnum that I couldn't tolerate the muzzle blast. I started looking for a good, balanced cartridge and I determined that the 7mm Mauser was perfect, or maybe the 6.5x55 Swede. The Swede has been proven by the popularity of the 6.5 Creedmoor. Nothing new under the sun anyway, no huge difference between the 7mm/08 and the 7mm/Mauser, or any of the other cartridges in this area. All are excellent cartridges. I never got one because I mostly gave up hunting and I have a Winchester 94 and a couple of 45/70s if I needed to hunt. No long distance hunting for me.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 16:39:30 GMT -5
There's just not that much interesting to talk about percussion guns. They are simple and complex at the same time, but nothing much new. A lot of fun, but also a PITA to load and clean.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 17:11:03 GMT -5
The Creedmoor is just a Swede for short action rifles. And same for the 7-08 and the 7x57. I never caught magnumitis, which is a kind of disease IMO.
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Post by urbino on Jan 8, 2024 17:32:11 GMT -5
The Creedmoor is just a Swede for short action rifles. And same for the 7-08 and the 7x57. I never caught magnumitis, which is a kind of disease IMO. A Creed is a stubby Swede, you're saying? Short action is handy, but I like old things. Like Bob. And Ed. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 18:28:36 GMT -5
I like a few whippersnappers, too. Like the .204 Ruger, and Urb…
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 18:31:13 GMT -5
There is a noticeable difference in the bolt stroke of long and short action rifles, but not enough to bother most people. Maybe a 10th of a second? Just saying that I wouldn't avoid a rifle for a cartridge I wanted because I wanted a short action. It just so happens that most of the cartridges of the last 50 years use short actions. But why would I want one of those unproven things? 😉
30-30 and 45-70 forever!
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Post by urbino on Jan 8, 2024 18:34:11 GMT -5
What's handy to me about the shorter action isn't so much the bolt movement as the shorter overall length that's possible. EDIT: Especially if it's cap-and-ball.  |
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Post by don on Jan 8, 2024 21:28:05 GMT -5
There's just not that much interesting to talk about percussion guns. They are simple and complex at the same time, but nothing much new. A lot of fun, but also a PITA to load and clean. It’s all technique. It gets a lot easier with a few tricks. I don’t mind the slow loading for recreational shooting. I use a greased felt wad and can load up a C&B in about a minute if I have to. Colts are easy to clean. I take mine apart and drop the barrel cylinder and frame, minus the grip-frame into a really hot bucket of soapy water. Ultrasonic cleaners make it even easier. Swab out the bore upon removing, chambers and nipples. Blow out with compressed air, oil and grease. Pretty easy. A modern revolver can be similarly broken down and put in an ultrasonic cleaner. The lock work doesn’t get dirty near as fast though. My least favorite gun cleaning has always been between the forcing cone and the top strap on a revolver, closely followed by cleaning all the nooks and crannies on a cylinder. |
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Post by don on Jan 8, 2024 21:35:00 GMT -5
The Creedmoor is just a Swede for short action rifles. And same for the 7-08 and the 7x57. I never caught magnumitis, which is a kind of disease IMO. I don’t hunt any more so, milder cartridges are my thing these days. Even when I did, I preferred non-magnum cartridges. I shoot 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout. Plus one little .357 carbine. All are powerful enough for my needs. In a pinch I can take game with any of them within their range and with good shot placement. |
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 22:10:30 GMT -5
I’ve taken deer with the Grendel. Did a fine job. And as you say, shot placement is the be-all and and-all. I knew an old poacher once who claimed he took them with 22 Shorts so as not to draw any attention to his nefarious doings. He wasn’t a boaster so I had no reason to doubt him, despite some reservations.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 8, 2024 22:30:46 GMT -5
There's just not that much interesting to talk about percussion guns. They are simple and complex at the same time, but nothing much new. A lot of fun, but also a PITA to load and clean. It’s all technique. It gets a lot easier with a few tricks. I don’t mind the slow loading for recreational shooting. I use a greased felt wad and can load up a C&B in about a minute if I have to. Colts are easy to clean. I take mine apart and drop the barrel cylinder and frame, minus the grip-frame into a really hot bucket of soapy water. Ultrasonic cleaners make it even easier. Swab out the bore upon removing, chambers and nipples. Blow out with compressed air, oil and grease. Pretty easy. A modern revolver can be similarly broken down and put in an ultrasonic cleaner. The lock work doesn’t get dirty near as fast though. My least favorite gun cleaning has always been between the forcing cone and the top strap on a revolver, closely followed by cleaning all the nooks and crannies on a cylinder. I’ve been disappointed to find no accounts of how 18thC long hunters cleaned their rifles in the wilderness. I’m sure I know how officers cleaned their pistols (if they did) in the CW: “Orderly, clean this pistol.” |
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Post by urbino on Jan 8, 2024 22:42:27 GMT -5
The Creedmoor is just a Swede for short action rifles. And same for the 7-08 and the 7x57. I never caught magnumitis, which is a kind of disease IMO. I don’t hunt any more so, milder cartridges are my thing these days. Even when I did, I preferred non-magnum cartridges. I shoot 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout. Plus one little .357 carbine. All are powerful enough for my needs. In a pinch I can take game with any of them within their range and with good shot placement. The 7-08 and Swede are soft-shooting cartridges, but you have a valid point. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 8, 2024 22:46:26 GMT -5
It’s all technique. It gets a lot easier with a few tricks. I don’t mind the slow loading for recreational shooting. I use a greased felt wad and can load up a C&B in about a minute if I have to. Colts are easy to clean. I take mine apart and drop the barrel cylinder and frame, minus the grip-frame into a really hot bucket of soapy water. Ultrasonic cleaners make it even easier. Swab out the bore upon removing, chambers and nipples. Blow out with compressed air, oil and grease. Pretty easy. A modern revolver can be similarly broken down and put in an ultrasonic cleaner. The lock work doesn’t get dirty near as fast though. My least favorite gun cleaning has always been between the forcing cone and the top strap on a revolver, closely followed by cleaning all the nooks and crannies on a cylinder. I’ve been disappointed to find no accounts of how 18thC long hunters cleaned their rifles in the wilderness. I’m sure I know how officers cleaned their pistols (if they did) in the CW: “Orderly, clean this pistol.” They pissed down the barrels and swabbed them out. |
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Post by don on Jan 9, 2024 6:24:08 GMT -5
I don’t hunt any more so, milder cartridges are my thing these days. Even when I did, I preferred non-magnum cartridges. I shoot 7.62x39, 6.5 Grendel and 300 Blackout. Plus one little .357 carbine. All are powerful enough for my needs. In a pinch I can take game with any of them within their range and with good shot placement. The 7-08 and Swede are soft-shooting cartridges, but you have a valid point. What I am shooting is even softer shooting than those pleasant shooting cartridges. Plus more economical to feed. I reload for all of my rifles and carbines. |
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Post by don on Jan 9, 2024 6:33:11 GMT -5
[/quote]I’ve been disappointed to find no accounts of how 18thC long hunters cleaned their rifles in the wilderness. I’m sure I know how officers cleaned their pistols (if they did) in the CW: “Orderly, clean this pistol.”[/quote]
I am willing to bet that it has been covered in Muzzleloading magazine. They often get into the weeds with their articles. Lots of good history and technique presented in that magazine. I wonder if the back issues are searchable.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 9, 2024 8:23:10 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2024 14:13:22 GMT -5
I have seen the solution I posted above in several real-life accounts. It's real.
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Post by Plainsman on Jan 9, 2024 15:18:01 GMT -5
I’ve heard the same thing. I doubt it was SOP.
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Post by toshtego on Jan 9, 2024 15:28:20 GMT -5
I’ve heard the same thing. I doubt it was SOP. I read that soldiers would do that in battle. Accounts from the Napoleonic Wars and the US War Between the States. I wonder how uric acid mixed with powder residue? Any chemists wish to respond? I never tried it but placed my BP pistols in a pot of simmering soapy water to soak, then brushing, wiping and oiling. |
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Post by don on Jan 9, 2024 21:24:34 GMT -5
Bob, you needed to subscribe for decades….. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 10, 2024 0:18:21 GMT -5
Bob, you needed to subscribe for decades….. There's not enough to fill decades of a magazine on muzzle loaders for shooters. Historians maybe because there were tens of thousands of gun makers over a thousand years making them with all kinds of little changes, but they only got really good in the hundred years before smokeless and repeaters. |
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