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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 19:29:45 GMT -5
Since This Sasieni 4-Dot is very much a tweener shape, and since @zach mentioned a poll in our discussion about it, I thought it might be fun to make an actual poll. Vote, and tell us below what makes it one shape or the other, in your mind.  If you have pipes that similarly sit somewhere in the space between multiple shapes, it might make for fun discussions if you posted polls for them, too. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 19:33:16 GMT -5
For me, it's a prince. The fact the bowl is more apple-shaped than pot-shaped, as is more typical on a prince, isn't enough to overcome the overall lines and silhouette, which to me say prince all the way. The elongated shank-stem. The fairly low-slung, wide bowl. That princely bend in the stem. It's a prince, I sez!
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Post by Silver on Feb 20, 2024 19:38:46 GMT -5
Agree. It might not be absolutely true to Loewe's shape chart, but it has that vibe for me. Maybe Sasieni's intent was to tweak the shape to set it apart. If I set out to carve a prince, and ended up with that, I'd be very happy.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 20, 2024 19:54:59 GMT -5
The height of the bowl is the only thing that gave me the slightest pause, but it’s a prince and a very elegant pipe. I don’t see apple in it, unless someone has an old pouch of Middleton’s…
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 20:18:26 GMT -5
I can't register his vote for him, but here's Zach's explanation for why he sees it as an apple:
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 20:21:39 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you'd see this as a bent brandy, @zach. It has an even longer shank, and a tallish, quite brandy-ish bowl:  (In this case, unlike the Sasieni, the maker says it's a prince.) |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 20, 2024 20:24:52 GMT -5
 Savinelli considers the 315 shape a prince. Only comparing shapes here of course. I suppose some may say this isn’t a prince either. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 20:30:29 GMT -5
Savinelli considers the 315 shape a prince. Only comparing shapes here of course. I suppose some may say this isn’t a prince either. My only slight hesitation there is just the extra girth of the shank/stem for the balsa filter makes that section of the pipe look shorter and less elegant than I think of with a prince. But I don't know what else I'd call it. |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 20, 2024 20:46:40 GMT -5
 Here’s a 313 that I have that Savinelli also calls a prince. Not the best photo for comparison but I was too lazy to dig it out and take another photo. Still one a purist might say isn’t a prince due to the deeper bowl. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 20:50:25 GMT -5
Here’s a 313 that I have that Savinelli also calls a prince. Not the best photo for comparison but I was too lazy to dig it out and take another photo. Still one a purist might say isn’t a prince due to the deeper bowl. Here's a pic of my 313:  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Feb 20, 2024 21:46:41 GMT -5
Sorry, but I'm off voting for the month.
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Post by turbocat on Feb 20, 2024 22:02:31 GMT -5
Here’s a 313 that I have that Savinelli also calls a prince. Not the best photo for comparison but I was too lazy to dig it out and take another photo. Still one a purist might say isn’t a prince due to the deeper bowl. Here's a pic of my 313: Hmmm…, yours is shorter than mine. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 22:05:18 GMT -5
Hmmm…, yours is shorter than mine. That's not what I heard. ba-DUM-ching!You mean the bowl, or the shank-stem? |
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Post by turbocat on Feb 20, 2024 22:13:36 GMT -5
Hmmm…, yours is shorter than mine. That's not what I heard. ba-DUM-ching!You mean the bowl, or the shank-stem? The bowl, yours is a bit more squat, more prince like, or would it be princely? |
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Post by urbino on Feb 20, 2024 22:23:06 GMT -5
That's not what I heard. ba-DUM-ching!You mean the bowl, or the shank-stem? The bowl, yours is a bit more squat, more prince like, or would it be princely? Either works for me. Like you said, it's hard to gauge proportions from the camera angle in your image. There is some variability within any given Savinelli shape. Maybe mine had a big flaw in the briar just above where it's cut off, or it was taken from higher up in the block so that's as tall as the bowl could be. Dunno. |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 21, 2024 20:41:31 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you'd see this as a bent brandy, @zach. It has an even longer shank, and a tallish, quite brandy-ish bowl: (In this case, unlike the Sasieni, the maker says it's a prince.) My first thought on seeing this pipe was "low waisted Danish Apple" |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 21, 2024 20:42:46 GMT -5
Since This Sasieni 4-Dot is very much a tweener shape, and since @zach mentioned a poll in our discussion about it, I thought it might be fun to make an actual poll. Vote, and tell us below what makes it one shape or the other, in your mind. If you have pipes that similarly sit somewhere in the space between multiple shapes, it might make for fun discussions if you posted polls for them, too. To me, the stummel says Apple and the stem says Prince. Since the stummel is the main driver for a shape, I’m going with Apple. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 21, 2024 21:48:39 GMT -5
I'm wondering if you'd see this as a bent brandy, @zach. It has an even longer shank, and a tallish, quite brandy-ish bowl: (In this case, unlike the Sasieni, the maker says it's a prince.) My first thought on seeing this pipe was "low waisted Danish Apple" Interesting. The "Danish" part is certainly correct, at least. It's a Former design. |
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Post by urbino on Feb 21, 2024 21:51:13 GMT -5
Since This Sasieni 4-Dot is very much a tweener shape, and since @zach mentioned a poll in our discussion about it, I thought it might be fun to make an actual poll. Vote, and tell us below what makes it one shape or the other, in your mind. If you have pipes that similarly sit somewhere in the space between multiple shapes, it might make for fun discussions if you posted polls for them, too. To me, the stummel says Apple and the stem says Prince. Since the stummel is the main driver for a shape, I’m going with Apple. That last sentence is interesting. I'd agree the stummel is usually the main driver, but when the shank/stem is as long and pronounced as it is on this pipe, and the shape of that stem is so strongly redolent of a particular shape, is it still the case that the stummel is the main driver? It's kind of interesting to think about. |
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Post by trailboss on Feb 21, 2024 23:10:28 GMT -5
Bent Apprince, call it a day.😉
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Post by Gypo on Feb 22, 2024 9:55:02 GMT -5
I was thinking along the lines of trailboss princeapple |
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Post by lizardonarock on Feb 25, 2024 13:03:40 GMT -5
Well at least two of know a apple when we see one.
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