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Post by olbluesmoke on Mar 8, 2024 23:39:39 GMT -5
Does anyone here grow their own tobacco or know anyone who does? Have you tried any homegrown baccy? What was that like?
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Post by trailboss on Mar 8, 2024 23:48:18 GMT -5
On a recent pipesmag podcast, Brian interviewed Jeremy Reeves ad talked about this. Pretty hard for a person to grow anything that is on par with what you can buy. Some have bought whole leaf and have had some success… but with harvesting and all of the processes required… flue curing, sun curing, perique to name a few…hard to achieve the results that we can enjoy from the commercial offerings.
Having said that, interested-in hearing others chime in.
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Post by Silver on Mar 8, 2024 23:52:34 GMT -5
I think I'll stick with tomatoes, peppers, eggplants...
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Post by username on Mar 9, 2024 0:20:42 GMT -5
Don't have the space to even try. I also have a black thumb when it comes to growing anything sadly.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 9, 2024 0:33:55 GMT -5
I don't and wouldn't. However, I do own a tiny piece of Altria. 73% gross profit margin. I just couldn't pass. 😁
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Post by turbocat on Mar 9, 2024 1:02:02 GMT -5
I grew a plant about seven or eight years ago. I really had no idea on how to dry and cure the leaves properly though, so I never got to properly try it. I don’t really have a good spot to grow any and I have too many projects to devote any time to it. I believe one would have to take it on as a serious commitment.
There actually is a sizeable community of people who grow their own and some seed banks that have preserved many of the older strains. I have had some contact with these “homegrown” tobaccos and the ones I’ve tried were spectacular, definitely not inferior to the big corporate stuff, than the common commercial offerings, but of course I’m sure that’s a result of how much time, effort and experience the grower has.
I find it funny when the commercial blenders and companies talk it down or suggest it’s not possible. That’s just ridiculous. There isn’t some magic to farming or processing that only big commercial interests have access to. Everything involved is 19th century or earlier technology. Naturally there seems to be little crossover from the do it yourself crowd to the consumer crowd, which is true with anything. People looking to buy furniture don’t invest money and years of practice to build furniture, etc. If you’re interested in seeing the alternate pipe tobacco world and community of growers, search fair trade tobacco forum.
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Post by olbluesmoke on Mar 9, 2024 1:09:08 GMT -5
I grew a plant about seven or eight years ago. I really had no idea on how to dry and cure the leaves properly though, so I never got to properly try it. I don’t really have a good spot to grow any and I have too many projects to devote any time to it. I believe one would have to take it on as a serious commitment. There actually is a sizeable community of people who grow their own and some seed banks that have preserved many of the older strains. I have had some contact with these “homegrown” tobaccos and the ones I’ve tried were spectacular, definitely not inferior to the big corporate stuff, than the common commercial offerings, but of course I’m sure that’s a result of how much time, effort and experience the grower has. I find it funny when the commercial blenders and companies talk it down or suggest it’s not possible. That’s just ridiculous. There isn’t some magic to farming or processing that only big commercial interests have access to. Everything involved is 19th century or earlier technology. Naturally there seems to be little crossover from the do it yourself crowd to the consumer crowd, which is true with anything. People looking to buy furniture don’t invest money and years of practice to build furniture, etc. If you’re interested in seeing the alternate pipe tobacco world and community of growers, search fair trade tobacco forum. Very good post, thank you.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 9, 2024 1:10:15 GMT -5
I saw recently that one of the west coast Indian tribes wanted to grow the same tobacco strain that their ancestors smoked in ceremonies before Columbus. It was thought to be extinct, but they found some seed in an European seed bank.
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Post by username on Mar 9, 2024 1:12:16 GMT -5
I may not have grown my own tobacco but I have brewed my own beer and it was definitely better then the commercial stuff. Somewhere I have my best in show ribbon from the state fair. It just took alot of time so we (used to brew with my dad) sold off our equipment and I could buy alot of beer with what it would cost to replace it.
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Post by turbocat on Mar 9, 2024 1:37:19 GMT -5
I may not have grown my own tobacco but I have brewed my own beer and it was definitely better then the commercial stuff. Somewhere I have my best in show ribbon from the state fair. It just took alot of time so we (used to brew with my dad) sold off our equipment and I could buy alot of beer with what it would cost to replace it. I have some ale in my fridge right now from a friend that brews and there’s hardly anything on the mainstream commercial market that compares. That may be a great analogy to tobacco. It’s reasonably easy to grow great strawberries and make jam with them that will exceed the quality of the commercial offerings, but how to do that is fairly accessible and not uncommon knowledge. Brewing is a bit less understood and somewhat uncommon, but obviously attainable for those who want to learn. Tobacco may be even more uncommon knowledge wise, but also quite attainable it seems. I believe most things that can be done (food, plants etc.), can be done on a small scale better than the major commercial interests, since their first concern is profit/cost cutting, quality is the second. Individuals who take the time usually put quality first.
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Post by urbino on Mar 9, 2024 1:48:18 GMT -5
Monty makes his own wine. Doesn't post much, anymore, though.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 9, 2024 12:35:44 GMT -5
Monty makes his own wine. Doesn't post much, anymore, though. I think he's really enjoying Florida. He has different interests and busy days. Still, it would be nice if he would visit.
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Post by trailboss on Mar 9, 2024 20:23:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I was-not saying that it is not possible, and I am sure that with enough time and effort a person can make a smoke they like. Jeremy Reeves discussed flue curing and all of the variables that took place back in the day due to the variableness of the weather… a painstaking process.. Now it is controlled by expensive buildings and computer controls to manage the humidity and heat.
This is one of them things that you can throw yourself full into it if you want to pursue it, but-it can turn into a full time job. For me it is much easier to cut a check and I am more than happy to cut a check, I am not interested in farming and processing… that is just me though.
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Post by turbocat on Mar 9, 2024 21:02:47 GMT -5
Yeah, I was-not saying that it is not possible, and I am sure that with enough time and effort a person can make a smoke they like. Jeremy Reeves discussed flue curing and all of the variables that took place back in the day due to the variableness of the weather… a painstaking process.. Now it is controlled by expensive buildings and computer controls to manage the humidity and heat. This is one of them things that you can throw yourself full into it if you want to pursue it, but-it can turn into a full time job. For me it is much easier to cut a check and I am more than happy to cut a check, I am not interested in farming and processing… that is just me though. I hope I didn’t come across as directing my earlier comment to you, it was directed at the people who are in “big pipe tobacco”. They do often seem to gently detract from do it yourselfers and work diligently at making what they do seem mysterious or uniquely special, which I get business wise. I remember Mark Ryan being asked a question about growing your own years ago and as I remember, he pointed out that some of the most special leaf he would get occasionally was produced by really small farms and that it was quite doable. He encouraged people to try it if they were seriously interested, (he obviously did) but he said it would be more fun for most people to just buy it from the people who were already doing it well and just start blending your own. I wish I had been more interested in such things back when he would freely sell many rare and exotic tobaccos along with the more common types.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 9, 2024 21:04:25 GMT -5
I wish I had been interested in Kung Fu when I was younger. And jiu-jitsu.
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Post by turbocat on Mar 9, 2024 21:16:42 GMT -5
I suppose I am just fundamentally opposed to the idea that our corporate overlords are the only ones who can provide for us, regardless of the particular product. 🤨
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 9, 2024 21:24:12 GMT -5
I suppose I am just fundamentally opposed to the idea that our corporate overlords are the only ones who can provide for us, regardless of the particular product. 🤨 Your not wrong. I would just rather buy my tobacco and spend my time on other things. I am not as committed to the pipe as most here. I enjoy it a lot, but I can live without it. Nothing like home grown tomatoes, but as long as I can buy acceptable tomatoes, I will. Luckily for me, my wife loves to grow tomatoes and all kinds of other things. I think it's great that you guys grow tobacco, and I wasn't making fun of it. Someone has to do it and I'm just glad it's not me.
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