chasingembers
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 11, 2024 1:42:41 GMT -5
I know nobody so far seems to believe this, but I’m going out on a limb that Mac Baren blends will be safe. I could see many Sutliff aromatic blends going away, but I think they’ll do similar to what they’ve done with Peterson making all the Dunhill blends, with all the staple Mac Baren blends. STG seem to have a thing for Euro blends and nixing American companies so I could even see Sutliff mostly going away but all the Mac staying on. We shall see. This was from someone employed by them. - Hey guys... So the news is out. STG will be completely closing the production facilities of Mac Baren in Denmark and Sutliff. There also have been tough decisions made about the STG/Mac Baren/Sutliff Portfolio which I'm not at liberty to write about. So I'll only post what is publicly available at the moment. Thanks for keeping us in your thoughts! We love y'all pipe smokers |
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Post by Zach on Nov 11, 2024 11:14:33 GMT -5
After placing the order for Mac Baren last night, HU somehow already restocked this morning.
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 11, 2024 11:44:25 GMT -5
I’ve not tried that one, but it’s interesting they put “Made in Denmark” on that being a Sutliff blend. Was not aware the Denmark Mac Baren plant was making that? Although, I heard that Denmark makes some of Sutliff stuff, like the Virginia slices. I've heard from several sources that it's the same blend as Presbyterian Reformation. It's less mocha and more raspberry Lakeland. I hadn't tried this one before. I did have a tin of Reformation. I ordered a couple of ounces just to check it out. |
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Post by Zach on Nov 11, 2024 13:43:07 GMT -5
Others I haven’t seen mentioned that will likely be going away:
Cobblestone tins are all made by Sutliff
Newminster is a new line that released in 2012 produced by Mac Baren FOR STG
Bengal Slices is Sutliff
Warhorse Plug is Sutliff
E. Hoffman Company is Sutliff
Others have already mentioned, Presbyterian is Sutliff
Three Nuns
Capstan (mentioned)
At least a couple others I’m missing here
and if this employee said tough decisions were made about STG lineup as well, that puts everything not C&D, Gawith’s, or K&K under the ax. This could be the tobaccolypse that we all thought would be the deeming regs. Conversely, I decided I would rather stock up next on C&D and Gawith as they’ll be under huge strain when all these STG/Sutliff/Mac Baren are gone. Only other stuff I really want from Mac Baren I guess is a few pounds of Navy Flake. I would like a put another large stack of War Horse bar in the cellar as well. I’ve decided all the rest of Sutliff and Mac Baren I can pretty much live without. Really sucks though turning the industry very monopolistic.
Super Value is Sutliff but let’s be honest, nobody at all smokes that already.
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Post by The Wizzard on Nov 11, 2024 14:22:26 GMT -5
I am sorry that this is happening. Sutliff made some of my favourite tobaccos. Last night I ordered about 2 oz each of the following. Sutliff's: Eastfarthing, Molto Dolce, Chocolate Mousse, Z92 Vanilla Custard, Spiced Rum and Barbados Plantation. I know that the quantity is not much but I only smoke out doors when the weather is nice. During the winter I might try a Füm. Thank goodness for The Country Squire. It's so sad.  |
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Post by coalsmoke on Nov 11, 2024 15:15:30 GMT -5
At first I thought that STG was simply consolidating, but now it sounds more like downsizing.  |
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chasingembers
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First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 11, 2024 16:59:49 GMT -5
I am sorry that this is happening. Sutliff made some of my favourite tobaccos. Last night I ordered about 2 oz each of the following. Sutliff's: Eastfarthing, Molto Dolce, Chocolate Mousse, Z92 Vanilla Custard, Spiced Rum and Barbados Plantation. I know that the quantity is not much but I only smoke out doors when the weather is nice. During the winter I might try a Füm. Thank goodness for The Country Squire. It's so sad. Many blenders in the US use Sutliff tobacco. Pretty sure The Country Squire is one of them. |
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Post by The Wizzard on Nov 11, 2024 17:13:08 GMT -5
I am sorry that this is happening. Sutliff made some of my favourite tobaccos. Last night I ordered about 2 oz each of the following. Sutliff's: Eastfarthing, Molto Dolce, Chocolate Mousse, Z92 Vanilla Custard, Spiced Rum and Barbados Plantation. I know that the quantity is not much but I only smoke out doors when the weather is nice. During the winter I might try a Füm. Thank goodness for The Country Squire. It's so sad. Many blenders in the US use Sutliff tobacco. Pretty sure The Country Squire is one of them. I sure hope that’s not true. |
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chasingembers
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Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 11, 2024 17:24:31 GMT -5
Many blenders in the US use Sutliff tobacco. Pretty sure The Country Squire is one of them. I sure hope that’s not true. It's very likely they do. Wilke, Watch City, Pipes and Cigars, and most B&Ms do. |
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Post by urbino on Nov 11, 2024 18:03:53 GMT -5
Even if all the Sutliff blends remain available, they will now be imports, which means the supply may become irregular and they'll be subject to tariffs.
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Post by trailboss on Nov 11, 2024 19:44:37 GMT -5
Brian Levine said a long time ago and repeated very often:
"Tobacco will never be as cheap or available as it is now" The inference is find what varietals you like, and cellar deep if your budget allows...sage advice, then and now.
I just feel bad for future generations...hoping that there might be a pipe tobacco renaissance going ahead.
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Zach
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Post by Zach on Nov 11, 2024 21:48:10 GMT -5
Many blenders in the US use Sutliff tobacco. Pretty sure The Country Squire is one of them. I sure hope that’s not true. Yes, the Country Squire blends are all Sutliff. |
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Post by trailboss on Nov 11, 2024 22:50:55 GMT -5
Well that all sucks...sure drops the hammer on in-store blends.
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chasingembers
Senior Member
Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 11, 2024 23:46:48 GMT -5
Off topic, but who's that? |
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Post by trailboss on Nov 12, 2024 0:24:30 GMT -5
Off topic, but who's that? A former employee of Dunhill, Peter Stokkebye, Smokingpipes, Brigham, and friends of every pipe tobacco and pipe maker on the planet. Currently host of Pipesmagazine radio show for umpteen years and Co-host of the Las Vegas Pipe show, Doctor of pipes, etc.. |
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chasingembers
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Posts: 1,909
First Name: Duane
Favorite Pipe: My Growing J. Everett Collection, Fifteen Day Bruce Weaver Set, Meerschaums, Oguz Simsek Skulls
Favorite Tobacco: Black Frigate,Solani Silver Flake, Yenidje Highlander, Angler's Dream, Watch City Slices, Salty Dogs, Mephisto, Ennerdale Flake, Rich Dark Honeydew, 1792 Flake
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Post by chasingembers on Nov 12, 2024 0:27:45 GMT -5
Off topic, but who's that? A former employee of Dunhill, Peter Stokkebye, Smokingpipes, Brigham, and friends of every pipe tobacco and pipe maker on the planet. Currently host of Pipesmagazine radio show for umpteen years and Co-host of the Las Vegas Pipe show, Doctor of pipes, etc.. That makes sense, I've never listened to the show. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 12, 2024 1:57:07 GMT -5
Off topic, but who's that? A former employee of Dunhill, Peter Stokkebye, Smokingpipes, Brigham, and friends of every pipe tobacco and pipe maker on the planet. Currently host of Pipesmagazine radio show for umpteen years and Co-host of the Las Vegas Pipe show, Doctor of pipes, etc.. Yeah, I even talked to him a couple of times. Knows his stuff. |
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Post by rastewart on Nov 12, 2024 16:21:50 GMT -5
I know nobody so far seems to believe this, but I’m going out on a limb that Mac Baren blends will be safe. I could see many Sutliff aromatic blends going away, but I think they’ll do similar to what they’ve done with Peterson making all the Dunhill blends, with all the staple Mac Baren blends. STG seem to have a thing for Euro blends and nixing American companies so I could even see Sutliff mostly going away but all the Mac staying on. We shall see. |
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Zach
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Post by Zach on Nov 12, 2024 17:48:16 GMT -5
Well that all sucks...sure drops the hammer on in-store blends. This is why I say to inversely start stocking C&D. My B&M went from selling McClelland-based house blends, to Stokkebye, to Sutliff, and now all they will have left is Cornell & Diehl. All the B&Ms. Whenever the chips fall, all online retailers and B&Ms are going to have C&D, Gawiths, STG (whatever remains), and K&K. In America, only Cornell & Diehl will remain. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Nov 12, 2024 19:59:10 GMT -5
I know nobody so far seems to believe this, but I’m going out on a limb that Mac Baren blends will be safe. I could see many Sutliff aromatic blends going away, but I think they’ll do similar to what they’ve done with Peterson making all the Dunhill blends, with all the staple Mac Baren blends. STG seem to have a thing for Euro blends and nixing American companies so I could even see Sutliff mostly going away but all the Mac staying on. We shall see. I guess those tins of Molto Dolce are going to be worth some money! 💰🤑😁 |
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Zach
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Post by Zach on Nov 12, 2024 20:38:08 GMT -5
P&C started a 20% off sale for Hearth & Home tubs this afternoon for those that enjoy those blends. Better stock up.
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Zach
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Post by Zach on Nov 13, 2024 14:41:33 GMT -5
15% off Mac Baren tins & bulk started today at SmokingPipes.
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