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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 0:09:10 GMT -5
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Post by papipeguy on Jul 23, 2017 8:59:52 GMT -5
Fascinating post. I've had pipe tobacco turn from mold and it isn't pretty. I've also had what I would call surface sugars on SG 1792 most notably. I guess my take-away from this is if something shows up that should not be there toss it. Temple Bar, Summer 2016
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 9:10:55 GMT -5
Spider webs and green should not be seen . Specks of little white is alright .
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Post by danno44 on Jul 23, 2017 9:19:59 GMT -5
Interesting, I was never a cigar buff, but smoked them when golfing. I never understood how guys would say fuzzy or powder on cigars was plume. I tried one and after about 3 puffs it tasted terrible and "off" and "accidentally" fell out of my mouth in a pond. After that, I always refused to smoke them. Now pipe baccy, having lived through the CRF scare of 2016 (and I had A LOT of tins) and certainly do NOT want to start a debate on that topic, but what happened to my opened tin was certainly mold. I have several flakes and a couple blends (1820 and SH Select Mixture are 2 examples) that clearly have crystals on them, not powder or fuzzy substance. And they taste and smoke great.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Jul 23, 2017 9:22:47 GMT -5
Very interesting article.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 23, 2017 9:31:43 GMT -5
Within that thread, someone posted this..does anyone know which retailer posted it?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 14:29:58 GMT -5
papipeguy, I also think (hope!) the stuff on flakes like FFV and 1792 is sugar crystals. It's even slightly reflective in the light. Then there's Blackpool. I think that stuff is dried casing of some kind. I sent a sample to a scientist on PSF (DWaugh) and he was going to check it out under a microscope but I guess he never got around to it. I have had a bit of mold on cigars and just wiped it off, and it was fine. That's apparently pretty standard practice. If it gets into the foot, though, I've read your'e supposed to toss it. trailboss - that guy should not be in business! Even in small low-res images that's clearly mold.
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Post by Grimpeur on Jul 23, 2017 14:57:17 GMT -5
Pease wrote a brief essay about "sugar" crystals on tobacco; the long and short of it, it's not sugar. Try licking a flake covered in crystals, you'll see he's right.
So far, I have only had one jar of tobacco go mouldy on me. I now sterilise all jars I use.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jul 23, 2017 16:21:08 GMT -5
Most of these look decidedly hairy or web-like, though a couple do look like mineral crystals. Quite thought provoking. There is one solution for mold, which is soaking the tobacco in an alcohol bath, followed by a thorough washing and drying. But the result will be tobacco with much reduced flavor. The best solution is the trash.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 20:22:10 GMT -5
So I had to follow up on Grimpeur 's post about Pease and came up with this: dutchpipesmoker.wordpress.com/tag/mold/ Sometimes you can find so called “sugar crystals” on aged tobacco. Mr. Pease has done some rudimentary playing with them, though no full-scale analysis, and found them not sweet, not very soluble, and not very likely to be sugar. Probably they are organic acids that have surfaced as a result of pH or other changes in the chemistry of the leaf as it ages. But good new, the presence of these crystals usually indicates something good has happened to the tobacco that hosts them! PipesMagazine.com member cgrd took some neat pictures of the crystals on a flake of Stonehaven from under a microscope which you can see here. postimg.org/gallery/lfffkepm/
So not sugar crystals, but not mold either. Good news. However, as if it were bad karma even talking about this, today when I was rooting around in a humidor for plume, I came across mold! The good: it was only a single cigar. The bad: It was my one and only Fuente Opus X, which I've never tried! Very odd that it was the only cigar affected. Because it's an expensive one, I wiped off the mold with vodka and am going to isolate it. If it grows back I'll throw it in the bin; if not I'll smoke the little devil.
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Post by Zach on Jul 23, 2017 20:37:59 GMT -5
There are also studies and chemical analyses out there specific to bloomed pipe tobacco and macro shots of what looks like microscopic snowflakes. It was tested to be some several types of chemical oxidation and breakdowns of the organic compoundsin tobacco leaf, oils, sacharides or something. Philofumo/misterlowercase has taken some good macro shots of true crystallization, and many of my aged McClelland and SG/GH flakes have been examined closely to be either dried crystallization of casings or naturally occurring. Mold is mold under a magnifying glass and all of those cigar examples do look like molds. However, I've seen many passing moldy Aspergillus covered cigars as plume or bloom. Whole wrapper leaf is easily susceptible to this and as I've stated many places, much of our tobacco as whole leaf before it's been processed does for a fact get molds like these. They simply wipe the mold off with damp cloths and thrash and process it. Mold is in everything. When you don't see mold on your bread or cake after a couple days it's because it's laced with Mycoban and other antifungal treatments. Don't blatantly smoke growing molds, but your tobaccos do commonly get mold growth on them while barn curing and aging. No big deal. You do breath it all day, like the dry molds that grow on us, in our houses, and the spore content in every breath you breathe is a certain PPM. We are covered in hundreds of growing bacterias. To the Earth, humans are bacterias. Life.
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Post by billyklubb on Jul 23, 2017 20:57:55 GMT -5
There are also studies and chemical analyses out there specific to bloomed pipe tobacco and macro shots of what looks like microscopic snowflakes. It was tested to be some several types of chemical oxidation and breakdowns of the organic compoundsin tobacco leaf, oils, sacharides or something. Philofumo/misterlowercase has taken some good macro shots of true crystallization, and many of my aged McClelland and SG/GH flakes have been examined closely to be either dried crystallization of casings or naturally occurring. Mold is mold under a magnifying glass and all of those cigar examples do look like molds. However, I've seen many passing moldy Aspergillus covered cigars as plume or bloom. Whole wrapper leaf is easily susceptible to this and as I've stated many places, much of our tobacco as whole leaf before it's been processed does for a fact get molds like these. They simply wipe the mold off with damp cloths and thrash and process it. Mold is in everything. When you don't see mold on your bread or cake after a couple days it's because it's laced with Mycoban and other antifungal treatments. Don't blatantly smoke growing molds, but your tobaccos do commonly get mold growth on them while barn curing and aging. No big deal. You do breath it all day, like the dry molds that grow on us, in our houses, and the spore content in every breath you breathe is a certain PPM. We are covered in hundreds of growing bacterias. To the Earth, humans are bacterias. Life. Solid. Molds and fungi aren't special. They're everywhere. It's just that specific conditions make them thrive.
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Post by Zach on Jul 23, 2017 21:01:34 GMT -5
Yep. Swipe dust off your tv, drop a dropper of distilled water on it in a Petri dish and stick it in your closet for a week. All those cultures that grow are blowing around your house and you're eating and breathing them deep into your lungs.
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Post by billyklubb on Jul 23, 2017 21:06:18 GMT -5
Yep. Swipe dust off your tv, drop a dropper of distilled water on it in a Petri dish and stick it in your closet for a week. All those cultures that grow are blowing around your house and you're eating and breathing them deep into your lungs. We did that experiment in highschool before I got the boot. One kid in my class (not me) swabbed his undercarriage. He didn't get many dates that year after his petri dish went wild.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 21:07:40 GMT -5
I'm not an avid cigar smoker but, I've smoked my share years ago. Now as far as Plume I have a simple way of telling the difference on pipe tobacco, if it's crystalian, it's plume, if it's soft and fuzzy and I get sick, it's mold. See! Easy Peasey Japanesey!
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Post by Grimpeur on Jul 23, 2017 21:27:21 GMT -5
@chico , thanks both for the great thread and for finding some information about Pease's observations. I'm using my phone to stay online, and I haven't yet figured out how to link, post pictures, etc.
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Post by kraken on Jul 23, 2017 23:10:25 GMT -5
Whatever it is that happens to Blackpool was my first experience with bloom. I thought it was mold at first. But after I finally saw actual mold on tobacco i could see the differences. And I've since seen non-Blackpool bloom on some aged tobacco and those little crystals are very sparkly. Mold doesn't sparkle.
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Post by serenity on Jul 24, 2017 1:03:11 GMT -5
Yep. Swipe dust off your tv, drop a dropper of distilled water on it in a Petri dish and stick it in your closet for a week. All those cultures that grow are blowing around your house and you're eating and breathing them deep into your lungs. We did that experiment in highschool before I got the boot. One kid in my class (not me) swabbed his undercarriage. He didn't get many dates that year after his petri dish went wild. Now that was different
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Post by serenity on Jul 24, 2017 1:05:39 GMT -5
@chico , thanks both for the great thread and for finding some information about Pease's observations. I'm using my phone to stay online, and I haven't yet figured out how to link, post pictures, etc. Don't beat yourself up over it, you're not the only old person that has trouble with computers.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 24, 2017 1:54:52 GMT -5
Frankly, I am surprised that people get surprised about mold on tobacco... as others have succinctly stated, the building blocks for mold are everywhere...I am certainly glad that it is uncommon, but I think most producers would be willing to replace bad product with good, especially if they contacted them directly and made an appeal... going scorched earth against a producer on forums isn't helpful... they certainly don't want to release moldy tobacco. Cornell and Diego markets the "cellar series" for 10-15 years to cellar, if one cracks a tin after that time and it is moldy (and they are still in business), it would suck, but I bet they would make it right.
Fungus/ mold is highly active and naturally occurring in onions and garlic, and when I lived near Gilroy Ca. A friend of mine was hired to make a building for a major garlic producer, they sealed it airtight, packed it to the ceiling with garlic, and charged the building with a gas that halted any fungal growth. When fresh garlic was out of season, they opened the doors and put the fresh garlic on the market... they made a killing for a few years and was the only one doing so for a few years until others caught on, but by then they had a commanding presence on the garlic market.
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