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Post by sweetdaddyk on Jul 28, 2017 8:09:35 GMT -5
From what I gather, there are three broad classifications of (pipe) tobacco: Virginia, Burley and Spiced. Spiced can further be broken into Latakia, Perique and various Oriental / Turkish blends. There is also Cavendish, which isn't a type but a way of processing (which still gives it a unique flavor, so for this discussion, let's say it's a type). Discounting aromatics, are all tobaccos just a mixture of these six (Virginias, Burleys, Latakia, Perique, Oriental, Cavendish)? In other words, let's say I create a blend like this: Virginia - 50% Burley - 25% Latakia - 10% Cavendish - 15% Perique - 0% Oriental - 0% I could go in and take out some Latakia and add some, say, Perique and have a new blend. Fiddle around with the percentages and make dozens of blends. I would gather a 1% change would be inconsequential, even the most sophisticated palate would need more than that subtle of a change. (So in the example above, a 49% Virginia and a 16% Cavendish would taste identical). Because if that's the case, it seems we should reach the end of blends soon before some long-time smokers try a new tobacco and say, "Oh, that's just Dunhill blah blah blah." I should probably mention I have way too much time on my hands. Thanks for reading.  |
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Post by antb on Jul 28, 2017 8:36:14 GMT -5
Nah! Browse through the tobacco threads and see what other members are doing. And check out BillyKlub's blends posted earlier. And don't forget toppings and casings.
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Post by danno44 on Jul 28, 2017 9:45:52 GMT -5
Blending is above my pay grade. I keep it simple with 50/50 mix of OTC blends with OJK (or 5 Brothers, prefer OJK). However many folks have a talent at mixing, As mentioned billyklubb has listed some of his. experiment and have fun with it, you never know what you might stumble upon. |
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Post by sparks on Jul 28, 2017 9:53:26 GMT -5
First off, this is one of those questions that is like talking politics and religion. There are a million different opinions, everyone will have a different answer and the conversation could go on forever.
That being said, my personal opinion is that you are pretty close. I might break it down a little different, for example:
Virginia - Obvious as far as members of this category. Reds, brights, darks, etc.
Burley - Same as the above. Dark, White, etc.
Oriental - I think with the variety of options, this would deserve its own category.
Condimental - This would include Latakia, Perique, Cavendish, and even Dark Fired.
Now here is the rub... many would argue that the tobacco that I included int he Condimental category could actually fall into another. For example, Latakia is technically an Oriental variety that is just processed in a different way. Dark Fired though it is it's own species, could be classified as a Burley that is just processed differently.
So there you have it... the never ending controversy of tobacco.
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Post by papipeguy on Jul 28, 2017 10:27:45 GMT -5
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Post by sweetdaddyk on Jul 28, 2017 11:19:09 GMT -5
First off, this is one of those questions that is like talking politics and religion. Oh God. My apologies.  |
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Post by sweetdaddyk on Jul 28, 2017 11:28:25 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 13:10:04 GMT -5
And then there's blending pre-existing blends - like mixing Capt. Black Grape with Stonehaven, or M79 with 1792. Or not. |
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Post by danno44 on Jul 28, 2017 18:23:35 GMT -5
And then there's blending pre-existing blends - like mixing Capt. Black Grape with Stonehaven, or M79 with 1792. Or not.  GBG with M79 Mixture.....I can't unthink that flavor profile now...quick someone hand me a jar of Anglers Dream or Nightcap! |
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Post by billyklubb on Jul 28, 2017 19:36:46 GMT -5
I have to admit that I haven't read through Russ O's blending info. I will say that I trust his judgement on the subject. I have (as well as a great many others) smoked his blends and can say with certainty that he knows his stuff.
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Post by Zach on Jul 28, 2017 20:26:10 GMT -5
Perique is Burley, Latakia is oriental leaf, Cavendish is most usually burley but can also be Virginia, Maduro leaf, whatever.
To get real technical, you have two main leaf varietals; Virginia and Burley.
All other leaf types are variants on the two. Shades of red, yellow, "brights" all come from the same VA bright leaf type plants and different shades are either first priming, 2nd, 3rd, or tips. Then shade grades get technical by how they were either flue cured hotter and longer for deeper reds, air cures for brights, etc etc.
Dark, white, nutty burleys; same way. Different leaf primings on similar strain plants. Different drying, curing, etc for different grades.
The combinations go into the hundreds of thousands when you then add if the tobaccos are treated via fermentation, hot, pressing, cold pressing, aging in cakes vs aging tumbled ribbon, casings, steaming, stoving, and toppings.
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Post by billyklubb on Jul 28, 2017 21:07:41 GMT -5
Perique is Burley, Latakia is oriental leaf, Cavendish is most usually burley but can also be Virginia, Maduro leaf, whatever. To get real technical, you have two main leaf varietals; Virginia and Burley. All other leaf types are variants on the two. Shades of red, yellow, "brights" all come from the same VA bright leaf type plants and different shades are either first priming, 2nd, 3rd, or tips. Then shade grades get technical by how they were either flue cured hotter and longer for deeper reds, air cures for brights, etc etc. Dark, white, nutty burleys; same way. Different leaf primings on similar strain plants. Different drying, curing, etc for different grades. The combinations go into the hundreds of thousands when you then add if the tobaccos are treated via fermentation, hot, pressing, cold pressing, aging in cakes vs aging tumbled ribbon, casings, steaming, stoving, and toppings. Let's not forget the extra strong rustica tobacco. Short little devil plants with more nicotine than a whole vape shop. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:28:42 GMT -5
Perique is Burley, Latakia is oriental leaf, Cavendish is most usually burley but can also be Virginia, Maduro leaf, whatever. To get real technical, you have two main leaf varietals; Virginia and Burley. All other leaf types are variants on the two. Shades of red, yellow, "brights" all come from the same VA bright leaf type plants and different shades are either first priming, 2nd, 3rd, or tips. Then shade grades get technical by how they were either flue cured hotter and longer for deeper reds, air cures for brights, etc etc. Dark, white, nutty burleys; same way. Different leaf primings on similar strain plants. Different drying, curing, etc for different grades. The combinations go into the hundreds of thousands when you then add if the tobaccos are treated via fermentation, hot, pressing, cold pressing, aging in cakes vs aging tumbled ribbon, casings, steaming, stoving, and toppings. Let's not forget the extra strong rustica tobacco. Short little devil plants with more nicotine than a whole vape shop. And cigar leaf and all its variants. Zach - So all the Orientals - Yenidje, Smyrna, Drama etc. - are variants of Burley and VA? Do you know which are which? |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jul 31, 2017 17:17:07 GMT -5
And then there's blending pre-existing blends - like mixing Capt. Black Grape with Stonehaven, or M79 with 1792. Or not. GBG with M79 Mixture.....I can't unthink that flavor profile now...quick someone hand me a jar of Anglers Dream or Nightcap!  |
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GBG with M79 Mixture.....I can't unthink that flavor profile now...quick someone hand me a jar of Anglers Dream or Nightcap! 
