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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 12:56:36 GMT -5
Was your dad better off for not seeking the ultimate Tobacco High?
My dad smoked SWR the whole time I can remember. Muriel Coronas for cigars, though he would my the plastic tipped ones if he needed some while fishing. He was satisfied. I know he would try a friend's cigar if offered, but never saw him vary from SWR. One of his friends, someone I knew forever, was Half&Half all the time. Never varied. Even if we settle on tobaccos we seldom smoke one kind all day. Does that make the Drugstore Codger Brands better? They held an audience.
Next Question: First, this is just my opinion, but I don't believe the youth has the guidance it needs to have what many of us grew up with. Points: I grew up in a Leave it to Beaver World for my first ten years. I saw dad come home, loosen his tie, light a pipe, and shortly we had dinner. What did I love the most (besides mom's fried chicken)? Dad's pipe. This simple thing (I believe) gave me a reference point and a focus on what a future "should" beheld. Along with it is the vision of the Suit, Shined Shoes, White Shirt. I went through most of my life being a rebel, but in my twilight years I realize my desires, wants, and Sense of Faith and Humanity are like Dad in many ways. Not everyone could grow up in the same. My kids knew me as a laborer, but it was honest work. What I am saying is it's not that my world was Leave it to Beaver, but that my dad and his pipe did give me something to aim for and that the pipe was a main image impressed in me.
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Aug 26, 2017 13:11:42 GMT -5
...interesting points, regarding your life...not all, but most pipe smokers in the 50's- seemed to be completely satisfied with one pipe tobacco...my Uncle, like your Dad, smoked SWR his entire life...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 13:18:20 GMT -5
Yes, we all grew up differently. I grew up gaining weight at 10 (which is why I stopped my story there) and was picked on daily, even by my twin brother. My older bro was my protector. Still is. But the main point that there was someone in your life that smoked one brand. Maybe it was like a cig, too. My uncle was a rather fight than switch guy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 8:35:43 GMT -5
My dad was a cigarette smoker into his 40s before quiting. I can't recall what he smoked. My Grandpa, on Dad's side, smoked handrolled Prince Albert cigarettes. Might be why I like PA. My routine with Dad was gettng up early to have coffee and watch the Lone Ranger and Cisco Kid before he headed off to work and I went to school.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2017 14:18:00 GMT -5
My dad smoked one English blend (still hoping someone in the family will run across one of his empty tins, filled with nails in a corner of the garage or something so I can find out what it is!). When they stopped making it in the mid-80s, that really helped him quit - that's how much he was devoted to his blend.
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Post by haebar on Aug 27, 2017 14:53:47 GMT -5
My dad was also a dedicated SWR smoker all his life.
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Post by antb on Aug 28, 2017 2:03:37 GMT -5
Well, ever since I "discovered" SWR, I sure am smoking a hell of a lot of it
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Post by crapgame on Aug 28, 2017 5:50:20 GMT -5
My dad never smoked a pipe..he never smoked a cigarette and maybe smoked a cigar every 5 years. My dad's dad ( long story why not considered grandfather) chain smoked camels. My grand father never smoked but my great grand father did smoke a pipe and I think he smoked either Edgeworth ready rubbed or Granger pipe tobacco because I have vague memories of a blue or black tin..yes TIN of tobacco next to his chair.
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Post by Artistik on Aug 28, 2017 10:49:59 GMT -5
My grandpa smoked Edgeworth pipe tobacco and King Edward cigars. He quit both while I was in the Navy. Sure wish I had his drug store pipes.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Aug 28, 2017 12:43:54 GMT -5
Very7 interesting topic. I'll give a slightly different approach.
Growing up in the 1950's in the San Fernando Valley could be pretty idyllic. My parents were part of the post war migration to California. Housing was abundant and very affordable and well paying jobs were plentiful. All kind of the opposite of what it is now. At that time there were still orchards and ranches in the valley. Helms bakery trucks brought fresh baked goods right to your door. Giacapuzzi dairy delivered milk, soda water, and syrups. We played in the streets and didn't get run over, at least not often. People from the ranches sometimes brought pony rides into the neighborhood. Everyone peed in the community pool. When we put in a pool in the backyard, everybody was my friend.
My father was an aerospace engineer, and aerospace was the dominant industry in SoCal at that time. He worked for several companies, the longest being at Garrett AirResearch, where he worked for 40 years. That Pop was hired to work at Garrett was pretty amazing. Clifford Garrett was a born again Christian zealot who believed that Jews were damned to eternal damnation, and were the spawn of the devil. But he liked money as much as he liked anything and he saw gold in Pop, so Pop crossed the color line, becoming something of a pioneer for that time in the very early 1950's and eventually became a department chair with his own laboratory. Many days he worked long hours, leaving at 6 AM and returning around 10 PM. A few days of the week he would make it home for dinner by 6. So home, slippers, pipe, etc wasn't part of the equation.
Pop wasn't a smoker. There was the occasional foray with a cigarette once in a while, and he like cigars, especially if they were cheap. With 5 kids to support there were few luxuries, and tobacco certainly qualified as that. Later, when all the scrimping and saving and sacrifice to put two nickels together to invest finally paid off, Pop allowed himself the luxury of a better quality cigar from time to time. Pop did have a humidor filled with Cuban cigars that were shipped to him by a shop in London through arrangements made while he was there on business. To get these through Customs, the bands were switched for Jamaican and the original bands mailed out separately. Yes, Pop ran the blockade.
"Leave It To Beaver" was something we watched, not something we experienced. That show and others like it that promoted an unrealistic and largely unobtainable picture of family life, probably caused more dissatisfaction, drunkenness, dysfunction and domestic violence than just about anything else. Still, we never missed an episode, and I even got to meet the Beaver at a public appearance.
Nope, "Leave It To Beaver" was pure fiction, but "The Bickersons" was much more like life as I knew it. My folks were together for 73 years and the last 15 of them were actually pretty good. They finally got sick of tearing each other apart and had a good and loving marriage. It just took them 58 years to get there. Go figure.
So I can't say that my love for pipes and tobaccos came from Pop. He was a very seldom smoker, and only of cigars. My upbringing did give me a strong distaste for confrontations, having witnessed so many of them, but also a beserker element that occasionally came into play with people too stupid to walk away from me when I walked away from them.
So there's a different spin of childhood, Beaver, and smoking fathers.
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Post by sparks on Aug 28, 2017 13:17:38 GMT -5
Great story, Jesse. Thanks for sharing that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 15:09:27 GMT -5
Did Ward Cleaver smoke a pipe?
I watched Leave to Beaver reruns every day after school when I was a kid. For me it was something neither lived nor wished for, but a window into a surreal world of kids who called their dads "sir", mothers who didn't work and wore high heels and pearl necklaces in the kitchen, and kids who could wander at will and hang around homeless people and random old guys on the docks without fear of getting raped, arrested, or murdered! It was just as strange and foreign to us as watching a Turkish soap opera or reading a National Geographic about a Papua New Guinea cargo cult.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2017 15:22:07 GMT -5
Did Ward Cleaver smoke a pipe? I watched Leave to Beaver reruns every day after school when I was a kid. For me it was something neither lived nor wished for, but a window into a surreal world of kids who called their dads "sir", mothers who didn't work and wore high heels and pearl necklaces in the kitchen, and kids who could wander at will and hang around homeless people and random old guys on the docks without fear of getting raped, arrested, or murdered! It was just as strange and foreign to us as watching a Turkish soap opera or reading a National Geographic about a Papua New Guinea cargo cult. Our neighborhood was like it's own private city. One road in/out with streets that circled around. I wish we had never moved. We were a little more relaxed than Beaver, but not much. We were not allowed to use the word "butt" nor "pee". Can you imagine a five year old saying, "Teacher, I have to urinate." We played in the streets. Only brothers could hit each other. If another kid hit you would get all the guys from your half of the neighborhood to yell at the half where the miscreant lived. In the imperfect part Lutherans hung with the Lutherans and Catholics the same. Each faith thought the other was nice, but the followers going to hell. Christmas was a beautiful time of the year, and even the Catholic Man across the street played Santa Claus for us. Though I had some hateful later years we were taught to treat anyone of another race respectfully, and the man I affectionately called "dad" was a black worker at my dad's company that I met when I was three and later worked with. This is not a boast. I am pretty much a broken old man, but one without a bitch. I feel blessed into eternity. And this Lutheran (though I go by many names now) married a Vietnamese Catholic with Buddhist in-laws. Yes, if I recall, Ward did smoke a pipe. I should look up to see how many other TV Dads of the era did.
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Post by billyklubb on Aug 30, 2017 21:25:48 GMT -5
I have noticed that the generations before mine were very "this is my brand". Be it pipe, cigar, cigarettes, beer, or whiskey. A lot of folks I knew had a brand and wouldn't stray from it. One guy I knew from my grandpas generation only smoked Bugler. He would go without rather than smoke anything else. I seemed to be a point of loyalty. I think as long as someone finds joy in their brand, then they're doing it right.
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Post by Ronv69 on Aug 30, 2017 22:00:55 GMT -5
My dad smoked Camels. He later switched to Winston filters and SWR in a pipe, but it was too late. He died at 59. I used to smell the corduroy jacket that he wore to work every day. It smelled like Camels. He left a few cheap pipes and half a canister of SWR. And a pack of Winston cigarettes. I hate cigarettes.
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Post by Zach on Aug 31, 2017 8:30:47 GMT -5
As billyklubb mentioned it seemed there used to be die hard brand loyalists that we don't have so much today. My grandfather stopped smoking pipes, cigarettes, and cigars cold turkey right before I was born and a few years ago he gave me all his pipes. I never once saw him smoke but have sat down and asked him many questions. He primarily smoked Prince Albert and Velvet pocket tins. He thought Prince Albert was just about the best and Velvet was as smooth and sweet as velvet. He smoked all day, every waking minute from the second of waling up until he was asleep he said. When he smoked, he smoked. He didn't really remember smoking other tobaccos too often and couldn't remember if he had ever heard of Three Nuns, Edgeworth, etc. although I'm sure he did at one point and just never smoked them. He did say he didn't ever care for Carter Hall. My grandpa seemed throughout my life, mostly raised by my grandparents, with both my parents working full time nonstop, like he would've been one of those one or two pipe loyalists and seemed he would have smoked one brand, but it wasn't the case. I got somewhere around 14 pipes from him ranging from several Dr. Grabows, Medicos, and Kaywoodies, to Gefapips and Pioneer meerschaums and a nice Savinelli Oom Paul. I know he also smoked cigarettes and cigars before he said cigars started getting more and more expensive. He also never drank just one kind of whiskey, just one brand of a beer, or just one brand of tool. His loyalist mentality was always American. (Notice certain things didn't have to be American made, like higher end pipes) Everything had to absolutely be American made. He retired from General Motors. I think people that drink just one brand of beer like the "Natural Ice" drinkers, or smoked only one brand of tobacco aren't really living life, but that's all I'll say about that, and I don't mean it as offensive. There are too many excellent choices out there to just drink swill (or smoke it). You only live once and I like to live life to the fullest. I don't want to look back and think about how boring I was and shouldn't have been.
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Post by sparks on Aug 31, 2017 9:49:01 GMT -5
I tend to be a brand loyalist with certain things. I would say about 98% of the time I have been a cigarette smoker, it's been Camel Lights, with the occasional pack of Luckies thrown in to mix it up. Store doesn't have Camel... I'll find another store.
My drink of choice is Johnnie Walker Black... if a bar doesn't have it... I have been known to walk out.
My friends sometimes call me a snob... I say I just know what I like.
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 9:54:07 GMT -5
I grew up in the 80s. My parents dabbled with cigarettes before I was born. But despite my dad's service in the Navy during Vietnam, by the time I came along my parents were vehemently anti smoking. My mom hated when her relatives would come over for the holidays and smoke in her house. I remember the year she put her foot down, she bought a pin with the classic red circle crossing out a cigarette to wear on Christmas eve.
But my father's favorite books were the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings and he read them to me as a kid. I'd be lying if I said they didn't romanticize pipe smoking for me. As for Leave it to Beaver, well besides watching the reruns every once in a while it was foreign to me as Chico mentioned. As a teenager I was much more inclined to relate with Bob Dobbs whose likeness is anecdotally based on Ward Clever, pipe and all.
In my 20s I had a boyfriend, and his family would hold spectacular parties. When you arrived there were cocktails made in a shaker and served in fancy glasses. During dinner his dad poured wine from his extensive wine cellar. After dinner drinks like Drambuie and Frangelica were sipped by the fireplace. So this was the setting in which I finally experienced pipe smoking in person. One year at New Year's his dad pulled out some pipes and the obligatory cherry tobacco to share. I never saw him smoke a pipe at any other time, I think it was more about the atmosphere for him than something he did regularly. But that first pipe I smoked, paired with Drambuie while I was half drunk was sublime. I actually ran into the old man about a month ago and I said hi to him. It didn't feel quite appropriate to explain to him at that moment that he inadvertently started me smoking pipes, but it was certainly on my mind as I chatted with him.
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 9:58:57 GMT -5
I have noticed that the generations before mine were very "this is my brand". Be it pipe, cigar, cigarettes, beer, or whiskey. A lot of folks I knew had a brand and wouldn't stray from it. One guy I knew from my grandpas generation only smoked Bugler. He would go without rather than smoke anything else. I seemed to be a point of loyalty. I think as long as someone finds joy in their brand, then they're doing it right. "Well he can't be a man cause he doesn't smoke the same cigarettes as me." I'm not much of a Stones fan but I've always loved that line.
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Post by trailboss on Aug 31, 2017 10:36:04 GMT -5
Just speculation....
Many of our parents can out of the depression, I can imagine that most through financial necessity smoked what we would call otc blends. A simpler time, finances and availability probably played into their contentment with one blend... There is a lot to be said for contentment with one blend, it sure simplifies cellaring.
All my grandpa smoked was King Albert, and a few cigs a day...My dad smoked 3 packs of PallMall no filter for his whole life.
Great story, Jesse
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Post by peteguy on Aug 31, 2017 16:36:37 GMT -5
My pops smoked nails until the early 90's then quit cold turkey. My grand father smoked a pipe but nobody in my family can recall what he smoked.
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Post by Darin on Aug 31, 2017 17:20:06 GMT -5
Amen, Justin!
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