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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 10:14:05 GMT -5
Sweetened, unsweetened? Do you smoke it alone or blend it with other stuff? I'm on the hunt for a good black cav, so hit me up with your favorites.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 10:26:48 GMT -5
Cavendish is always an interesting discussion topic as there are so many variables. I don't prefer it alone; however, Butera's Royal Vintage works well for me when I want a mixer to sweeten things up a bit.
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 11:02:15 GMT -5
Cavendish is always an interesting discussion topic as there are so many variables. I don't prefer it alone; however, Butera's Royal Vintage works well for me when I want a mixer to sweeten things up a bit. The Dark Stoved? I was looking at that one. Have you had Dark Star, if so do you think they are similar? |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Aug 31, 2017 11:50:05 GMT -5
I like Amphora Special Reserve Black Cavendish by itself. It isn't a straight black cavendish, it is blended with burley and virginia. one reviewer comented that it has an element of dark-fired kentucky which may be why i like it so well and hubby doesn't like the aroma, lol.
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Post by Darin on Aug 31, 2017 11:59:37 GMT -5
My preference is Virginia Cavendish over Burley and I make my own from Red FCV in the pressure cooker.
It's not something I would reach for to smoke alone but blends amazingly with others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 12:16:51 GMT -5
Cavendish is always an interesting discussion topic as there are so many variables. I don't prefer it alone; however, Butera's Royal Vintage works well for me when I want a mixer to sweeten things up a bit. The Dark Stoved? I was looking at that one. Have you had Dark Star, if so do you think they are similar? My bad, should have been more specific. Butera Royal Vintage Dark Stoved is a different critter from Royal Vintage Sweet Cavendish. Smokingpipes.com, perhaps others, currently carry both. I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to enter the stoved vs. Cavendish debate. Others here are and could be more helpful. The only Dark Star with which I'm familiar is McClelland. Although I haven't smoked any for quite some time, it's quite excellent on its own and I have a few tins in the cellar from 2012. Not sure it's what you're looking for but all the McClelland Vas I have on hand age well and really only begin to hit their stride at the five year mark. I'm hoping not to tap my Dark Star stash for at least another five years, perhaps longer. |
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 13:21:42 GMT -5
My preference is Virginia Cavendish over Burley and I make my own from Red FCV in the pressure cooker. It's not something I would reach for to smoke alone but blends amazingly with others. I usually prefer Virginia over burley too. Is it tricky to do it in the pressure cooker? Where do you get the leaf? |
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 13:27:33 GMT -5
The Dark Stoved? I was looking at that one. Have you had Dark Star, if so do you think they are similar? My bad, should have been more specific. Butera Royal Vintage Dark Stoved is a different critter from Royal Vintage Sweet Cavendish. Smokingpipes.com, perhaps others, currently carry both. I'm not sufficiently knowledgeable to enter the stoved vs. Cavendish debate. Others here are and could be more helpful. The only Dark Star with which I'm familiar is McClelland. Although I haven't smoked any for quite some time, it's quite excellent on its own and I have a few tins in the cellar from 2012. Not sure it's what you're looking for but all the McClelland Vas I have on hand age well and really only begin to hit their stride at the five year mark. I'm hoping not to tap my Dark Star stash for at least another five years, perhaps longer. Yep, I was thinking the McC Dark Star. I have a couple of tins I'm aging as well. I know it's not sold as a Cavendish, but it seems to me there are some similarities. I'm not knowledgeable about it either but I'd love to hear more about the stoved vs Cavendish debate, of course I can look it up too. ETA I'll have to check out the vintage sweet Cavendish. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 14:11:47 GMT -5
I'm not a burley fan, but when they cavendish the bejeezus out it I like it. The only straight BCs I have are Lane Dark Red and McClelland VBC. Both are good alone. VBC seems like a better quality BCA, and might be VA based, I don't know. But I imagine it would mix well with just about anything. The Dark Red is a really nice smoke, but the cherry limits mixing potential, I imagine. Though a pinch of latakia might make something like Boswell's Bear Blend!
GH BC seems to be mixed with some VA, and is dark fired. It's a good blend, though, and I mix it with 1792 to tone down the nic.
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Post by sparks on Aug 31, 2017 14:32:54 GMT -5
Stokkebye does a great VBC. Superior to Lane's BCA, which to me taste cheap, flowery and a bit chemical.
It's hard to identify which out there are Burley vs. VA black cav, unless the manufacturer notes it. Once it goes through the cavendish process though, there isn't going to be much of a difference IMO, other than the Burley Cav having a bit more body to it.
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Post by Darin on Aug 31, 2017 14:51:41 GMT -5
My preference is Virginia Cavendish over Burley and I make my own from Red FCV in the pressure cooker. It's not something I would reach for to smoke alone but blends amazingly with others. I usually prefer Virginia over burley too. Is it tricky to do it in the pressure cooker? Where do you get the leaf?
It's really easy. I get all my whole leaf from wholeleaftobacco.com ... great products every time. An equal mix (by weight) of leaf and water in a mason jar followed by 6-12 hours in the pressure cooker. (My cooker needed the water replaced every 3 hours or so.)
Here's the Red FCV prior to the Maillaird reaction:
... and after the pressure cooker Cavendish method:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:02:12 GMT -5
I usually prefer Virginia over burley too. Is it tricky to do it in the pressure cooker? Where do you get the leaf?
It's really easy. I get all my whole leaf from wholeleaftobacco.com ... great products every time. An equal mix (by weight) of leaf and water in a mason jar followed by 6-12 hours in the pressure cooker. (My cooker needed the water replaced every 3 hours or so.)
Here's the Red FCV prior to the Maillaird reaction:
... and after the pressure cooker Cavendish method:
Cool. So if you wanted to flavor it, would you pour in some vanilla extract (or bourbon or whatever) while it's cooking, or wait until it's done and dried? |
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Post by Darin on Aug 31, 2017 15:06:05 GMT -5
It's hard to identify which out there are Burley vs. VA black cav, unless the manufacturer notes it. Once it goes through the cavendish process though, there isn't going to be much of a difference IMO, other than the Burley Cav having a bit more body to it.
The Burley must have sugars added since the natural content is too low. These taste more "burnt" to me and, at times, even resemble pencil lead in flavor. Virginia has it's own sugars and cavendish-up nice and naturally and sweet. IMHO, "Stoved" is the same thing as "Cavendish" when talking about Virginia tobaccos.
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Post by Darin on Aug 31, 2017 15:10:54 GMT -5
Not sure because I never flavor mine but think afterwards would be the best. Leaf needs to be relatively low RH to absorb the flavors so I'd probably completely dry the cavendished leaf and then rehydrate with the flavored topping.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 15:14:16 GMT -5
After all my searches I still go with Tinder Box Captain Spice and/or TB Lamplighter
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Post by kraken on Aug 31, 2017 18:06:28 GMT -5
I usually prefer Virginia over burley too. Is it tricky to do it in the pressure cooker? Where do you get the leaf?
It's really easy. I get all my whole leaf from wholeleaftobacco.com ... great products every time. An equal mix (by weight) of leaf and water in a mason jar followed by 6-12 hours in the pressure cooker. (My cooker needed the water replaced every 3 hours or so.)
Here's the Red FCV prior to the Maillaird reaction:
... and after the pressure cooker Cavendish method:
That is very cool. I'd love to try something similar someday. The before and after pics are dramatic. |
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Post by weezell on Aug 31, 2017 19:01:24 GMT -5
I'm not a big aro smoker but did just order a pound of Lane Limited: Vanilla Black Cavendish based on Jims review. Figgure smoke on a cold winter night to make the wife happy...
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Post by antb on Sept 1, 2017 1:25:56 GMT -5
MacBaren Black Ambrosia is the only one I ever touch.
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