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Post by JimInks on Sept 4, 2017 1:06:01 GMT -5
There is only one logical reason not to cellar tobacco. Jiminks is your roommate. Given the rate at which Jim smokes, I think the need would be to have a bigger cellar, or guard dogs, preferably rabid ones. Actually, our commando chipmunks have rocket launchers strapped to their back in case tobacco looters come a'callin'. You know, they never did find Jimmy Hoffa.  |
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Post by JimInks on Sept 4, 2017 1:07:48 GMT -5
Given the rate at which Jim smokes, I think the need would be to have a bigger cellar, or guard dogs, preferably rabid ones. If Jim is to tobacco what my current housemate is to beer, that would be an issue. I have considered putting a lock on the basement fridge and keeping my beer there. haha Poison spraying moths flying over his head would solve the problem, too.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 1:37:55 GMT -5
Good to know, SableBrush. After seeing the price some blends fetch on ebay etc, I had assumed some scalping was going on- Nice to know it isn't quite as I had imagined it to be. I also agree that this is a great reason to visit one's local B&M baccy shoppe. I certainly do not go there to spend $20 on a tin of Nightcap, but bulk prices are reasonable enough if I wanna give something a try and they do tend to have some of the rare stuff from time to time and I don't mind paying a premium for an occasional trophy smoke. haha There ave been a couple of eBay posts of large amounts of Esoterica and Balkan Sobranie that suggest to me that a dealer or two could be selling their stock at scalpers prices rather than in their shops. That would be a new development. If people refused to pay exorbitant prices, prices would drop. But people pay exorbitant prices. I noticed that, too. I know of one retailer who appears not to have listed any Esoterica or Germain's in last week's windfall though, they usually do. They're one of my favorites so I won't name names, but it's disappointing if it is indeed them. |
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Post by danno44 on Sept 4, 2017 13:17:00 GMT -5
There ave been a couple of eBay posts of large amounts of Esoterica and Balkan Sobranie that suggest to me that a dealer or two could be selling their stock at scalpers prices rather than in their shops. That would be a new development. If people refused to pay exorbitant prices, prices would drop. But people pay exorbitant prices. I noticed that, too. I know of one retailer who appears not to have listed any Esoterica or Germain's in last week's windfall though, they usually do. They're one of my favorites so I won't name names, but it's disappointing if it is indeed them. Yes, there is one well known shop that does this. I called them on the phone and when I asked, they flat out lied to me and when I called them out on it (their sellers name is not their store name) they hung up on me. I will never spend a penny with them or recommend them. |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 4, 2017 14:09:12 GMT -5
Given the rate at which Jim smokes, I think the need would be to have a bigger cellar, or guard dogs, preferably rabid ones. Actually, our commando chipmunks have rocket launchers strapped to their back in case tobacco looters come a'callin'. You know, they never did find Jimmy Hoffa.
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Post by crapgame on Sept 6, 2017 15:32:34 GMT -5
Is it cellering or is it creating a cache for when the zombie apocolypse happens?
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 6, 2017 16:11:44 GMT -5
Is it cellering or is it creating a cache for when the zombie apocolypse happens? There's a difference? The tobaccopalypse will happen inevitably. Putting something that you enjoy smoking is simply recognizing the obvious. On another forum there was a similar thread. There are some really large cellars being amassed, compared to which mine is pretty minor. |
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Post by Zach on Sept 6, 2017 16:13:09 GMT -5
There ave been a couple of eBay posts of large amounts of Esoterica and Balkan Sobranie that suggest to me that a dealer or two could be selling their stock at scalpers prices rather than in their shops. That would be a new development. If people refused to pay exorbitant prices, prices would drop. But people pay exorbitant prices. I noticed that, too. I know of one retailer who appears not to have listed any Esoterica or Germain's in last week's windfall though, they usually do. They're one of my favorites so I won't name names, but it's disappointing if it is indeed them. I know of a couple rich guys on other pipe forums that only browse around to find the rarer tobaccos and pipes and they buy all of it at once, if theres no limit they buy absolutely all the Esoterica, Exotic Orange, etc and put it right on ebay. F*** those guys. |
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Post by crapgame on Sept 6, 2017 16:57:38 GMT -5
Sable,my seller if it can be called that is 15 times about 3 lbs bulk assorted blends and some whole leaf...the wife gives me the "evil eye whenever tobacco comes in the mail!
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Post by crapgame on Sept 6, 2017 16:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 17:10:24 GMT -5
It is interesting how the Internet can foster hysteria in the pipe community. As Zach mentions, Exotic Orange is a perfect example. It is a VG tobacco, but no Holy Grail, merely a finely rendered K&K example. It is also rather modest in nicotine content.
I'd like to see Rattray's ramp up production and flood the market and leave the profit grubbing speculators, high and dry.
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Post by duffer on Sept 16, 2017 12:38:23 GMT -5
😀 You're being a little conservative with the term moderate there, Jesse. 120 pounds is more tobacco than THREE nice B&Ms in my city carry altogether. When you have over $4-5,000 worth of only tobacco leaf sitting in your house, you are easily up there in the top couple hundred people in the US, of course by those known via forums and tobaccocellar.com and other metrics. Of course I'm just ribbing you a bit, but you don't have a moderate amount by most standards, you have quite a lot. You have some very nice pipes as well. I think you've been cellaring for a good 4-5 years longer than I have and I'll also most likely have over 100 pounds in the next few years. I don't see a problem with it. It will also become more and more of a commodity so it's like sitting on silver bars stockpiled, to me. Yeah, being in the belly of the beast can be disorienting. Compared to the 200-300 pipe collections mine feels quite moderate. And I don't spend thousands, or even many hundreds, on a pipe. Should I end up not smoking the cellar I've left instructions in my will about what to do with it, assuming I don't just rent a table at a pipe show or two, and sell most of it off. But I wonder how many large collectors are "out in the wild", not participating in any social medium. I know from personal experience that there are a number of well heeled collectors who maintain complete anonymity. They're not on eBay, nor on PM, PSF, TBP, or any of that. They know each other in a limited way and introduction is word of mouth and personal. I suspect that the best of the best is completely unknown to us. |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 16, 2017 21:21:26 GMT -5
It is interesting how the Internet can foster hysteria in the pipe community. As Zach mentions, Exotic Orange is a perfect example. It is a VG tobacco, but no Holy Grail, merely a finely rendered K&K example. It is also rather modest in nicotine content. I'd like to see Rattray's ramp up production and flood the market and leave the profit grubbing speculators, high and dry. If you want Rattrays, try calling Stag Tobacconist in Colorado Springs and see if they ship. One of our pipe club members went there a month ago, and they have some large tins.....I can't link the pic, he posted it in a closed group of corncob nation on facebook and it was a 180 degree pic of all their tobacco's so I couldn't save it.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2017 22:10:24 GMT -5
Is it really hoarding if you have it all packed in Plastic totes and 55 gallon barrels. Hoarding is so messy. I really don't know much of what I have, there just isn't room left on hard drive for the spreadsheet. That and I am too lazy to care or create a spread sheet, that would be like work.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 17, 2017 0:07:02 GMT -5
It is interesting how the Internet can foster hysteria in the pipe community. As Zach mentions, Exotic Orange is a perfect example. It is a VG tobacco, but no Holy Grail, merely a finely rendered K&K example. It is also rather modest in nicotine content. I'd like to see Rattray's ramp up production and flood the market and leave the profit grubbing speculators, high and dry. I have a couple of tins of Exotic Orange. I waited a long time for it to reappear and it was just serendipity that I happened to log onto smokingpipes at the moment that it reappeared. I thought it was pretty good, but, as you say, no holy grail. Certain blends become the idee fix of the pipe smoking community's collective OCS, like Penznace, Stonehaven or Germain's "Balkan Sobranie". When something becomes scarce, collectors and/or speculators vie to get ahold of some. I refer to the phenomenon as the "psychology of scarcity". People become convinced that something which is difficult to obtain must be wonderful, and they want it as well. I remember when Penzance was easy to buy and wasn't a super star by any means. Then Germain's stopped regular shipments and people went nuts over it. Germain's Balkan Sobranie is a blend that I can't smoke. I've tried, but I just can't finish a bowl of it. For me it's one of the worst tasting blends available today and it certainly doesn't taste anything like the Balkan Sobranie that I smoked in the 1970's and 1980's. I think that it's the name and the tin art that make people want it and that not many would like it if it were sold under another name. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 0:55:03 GMT -5
I found Exotic Orange in of all places my local B@M. The lure of ordering online is the price but how many times have you told yourself just a few more tins and I get free shipping. Sable is right on the money with his psychology of scarcity. Just a few years ago it was Dunhill and Gwaith you could not find. We were discussing Condor with prices doubling overnight. I have three packages left and one open. Do I like enough to seek it out and pay with my last kidney, NO WAY! Penznace goes poof as soon as it appears, yet a member here found some in a B@M and the prices that the proprietor wants are insane.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 17, 2017 2:30:03 GMT -5
I found Exotic Orange in of all places my local B@M. The lure of ordering online is the price but how many times have you told yourself just a few more tins and I get free shipping. Sable is right on the money with his psychology of scarcity. Just a few years ago it was Dunhill and Gwaith you could not find. We were discussing Condor with prices doubling overnight. I have three packages left and one open. Do I like enough to seek it out and pay with my last kidney, NO WAY! Penznace goes poof as soon as it appears, yet a member here found some in a B@M and the prices that the proprietor wants are insane. The B&M I go to had Penzance for $37.50. Since I detest the stuff, I passed. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2017 6:42:49 GMT -5
Wise choice, that kind of money will get you 8oz of GLP and a coffee. Something that is not mentioned is cellar remorse. CR happens when a smoker becomes enamored with a blend, stock piling as if there will be no tomorrow. They smoke that blend tin after tin until one day they wake up and find they don't like it as much as they thought. There is also a band wagon effect, everybody is buying blend and I should too. In my own personal case it was Peter Heinrichs never to be seen again blends. A few years back I loaded up on hype and grabbed a bundle. The Dark Strong Flake has too much anise for my tastes and to top it off everybody has the blend in stock now. Maybe I can trade it for Penznace or the new and improved Balkan Sobranie.
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Post by sparks on Sept 17, 2017 7:10:33 GMT -5
The last bag of Stonehaven I picked up was via one of my B&M's back in Buffalo. When he gets a shipment, he doesn't put it out on the floor. He holds it in the back for people that ask and have a genuine interest in it... not the ones that are stockpiling or want to throw it on eBay.
It is pricey, I think $40 dollars or so, but that's from NY taxes, not him marking it up. Not something I'm going to toss money at all the time as it's not that spectacular. I think I have 1 lb. of it stashed away, and it's more than I will ever need.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 17, 2017 19:10:01 GMT -5
The last bag of Stonehaven I picked up was via one of my B&M's back in Buffalo. When he gets a shipment, he doesn't put it out on the floor. He holds it in the back for people that ask and have a genuine interest in it... not the ones that are stockpiling or want to throw it on eBay. It is pricey, I think $40 dollars or so, but that's from NY taxes, not him marking it up. Not something I'm going to toss money at all the time as it's not that spectacular. I think I have 1 lb. of it stashed away, and it's more than I will ever need. I have a couple of pounds of Stonehaven. At the rate that I smoke it, maybe once a month, if that, I have a lifetime supply. But I still watch for it as I like to gift it to people who never get an opportunity to try it. It's not an easy blend to get to perform, but every once in a while I do get a resplendent smoke from it. Besides, it's always going to be in demand, so I'll get some use out of what I don't smoke. With the exception of Motzek Strang, none of the unobtainium that I've smoked has lived up to anything like the hype would suggest. But people fix on what they can't have, poor things, and fret until they have it. |
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Post by JDunbar on Jan 7, 2018 10:56:20 GMT -5
I just finished reading this thread and now I have another item I feel the need to start stocking up on to go along with the hoard of ammunition that is taking up so much room! I have one tin in my new tobacco cellar...I NEED MORE! Ugh.. Thanks a lot!!  |
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 7, 2018 11:56:09 GMT -5
I just finished reading this thread and now I have another item I feel the need to start stocking up on to go along with the hoard of ammunition that is taking up so much room! I have one tin in my new tobacco cellar...I NEED MORE! Ugh.. Thanks a lot!! The sky's been falling and I've been stocking up since I started in the hobby but unfortunately early on I stocked up on tobacco I don't like now.  |
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Post by JDunbar on Jan 7, 2018 12:01:25 GMT -5
Yes,I can see that happening. I love every new tobacco I have tried so far.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 7, 2018 12:11:42 GMT -5
Cellaring tends to be mostly done by Americans. The majority of overseas smokers buy what they need when they need it, mostly due to pricing. Those who do cellar have small ones, usually a couple pounds or so. In fact, that was a major reason we saw MacBaren introduce 50 grams tins to market in the last couple years. They are easier to carry, and less money is spent at a time on a single blend. Les, I imagine your average smoker who is not on the internet is doing little cellaring, especially if they are OTC smokers. Some are not likely to even be aware of the FDA regulations, and would see little reason to cellar. I'm sure talk goes on about it at B&Ms, so those who patronize them are likely aware of the current situation, and as it is in the best interest of shops to sell now, and worry about later when it's later, are probably cellaring to some extent. But, I imagine most cellaring is done by those who surf the 'net, and I imagine more don't tell what they do than those who do. So, there's no definite answer to your question. When I read this, it was like when they show the horrible dystopian future on the terminator films- everyone is dirty and starving... This first year back into the hobby I have amassed 15-20 pounds. I smoke maybe 4oz a month (3lbs a year). If the Gods will it, I may make 70 years and that is being generous. So I need to continue at my current rate of smoking and hoarding for no less than seven more years just to have the minimum quantity to last until 70. That being said: I really enjoy variety, so simply having enough to last a lifetime is not enough. I am going to want choices my entire life, so realistically I will need ten times that amount. And that does not include the extra I will need to gift to my friends, forum buddies, and guests. So I guess one could say I plan on continuing to build my hoard until I have as much as I can reasonably hold in my home. In fact these numbers are sobering. I may need to invest in a Mylar bag system and switch my tactics to buying bulk when possible. I may actually have to put a crew together and plan a few heists at the the P&C and SmokingPipes warehouses. haha |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 12:57:43 GMT -5
Good to know, SableBrush. After seeing the price some blends fetch on ebay etc, I had assumed some scalping was going on- Nice to know it isn't quite as I had imagined it to be. I also agree that this is a great reason to visit one's local B&M baccy shoppe. I certainly do not go there to spend $20 on a tin of Nightcap, but bulk prices are reasonable enough if I wanna give something a try and they do tend to have some of the rare stuff from time to time and I don't mind paying a premium for an occasional trophy smoke. haha There ave been a couple of eBay posts of large amounts of Esoterica and Balkan Sobranie that suggest to me that a dealer or two could be selling their stock at scalpers prices rather than in their shops. That would be a new development. If people refused to pay exorbitant prices, prices would drop. But people pay exorbitant prices. Scalpers? Certainly not 😱. The horror of B&Ms trying to turn a profit and stay in business would be too much for this snowflake to handle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 13:40:50 GMT -5
The sky's been falling and I've been stocking up since I started in the hobby but unfortunately early on I stocked up on tobacco I don't like now. ^ I can help you with that Dave ...... just bring those early unliked blends with you next month to the St Louis Pipe show if it is too much for a carry on - you can mail it to me prior to the show and i will bring them for you  that is what friends are for you can thank me later |
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Post by zambini on Jan 7, 2018 14:11:42 GMT -5
lestrout Maybe I went a little overboard but I ran some numbers and came up with the following (I'll post the reference links at the end and provide the spreadsheet upon request) scenarios for what constitutes pipe tobacco hoarding in the US: 1) According to the CDC tobacco sales were worth +/- USD 90 billion in 2015 2) According to the Pipe Tobacco Council pipe tobacco sales compromised .1% of tobacco sales in 2014 3) According to the CDC pipe tobacco users are divided into those smoking rarely (.6%)and those smoking somedays/everyday (.3%) of the US adult population in 2012 4) According to the Washington Post in 2004 1.3 million pipers consumed around 4.5 million lbs of pipe tobacco 5) Given that the Bureau of Labor Statistics webpage is down, I'm calculating consumption levels of rarely and somedays/everyday pipers using the 80-20 rule (20% of total consumption by rarely and 80% consumption by sonedays/everyday) 6) If we assume that the average price per 50g tin was USD 6 in 2004 and USD 8 in 2014 and that all tobacco was sold in tins then A) In 2004 US pipe tobacco sales were worth around USD 245 million in comparison to USD 90 million in 2014. B) The average piper in the US bought 31.5 tins (USD 189) in 2004 and 5.2 tins (USD 41) in 2014. C) The average everyday/someday pipe smoker bought 76.3 tins (USD 458) in 2004 and 12.4 tins (USD 99) in 2014. Therefore, if you smoke a pipe at least once everyday and bought 77 tins about a decade ago or 13 tins these last few years then we can roughly estimate that you are 'hoarding' tobacco in comparison to similar consumers. If we question some of the reasoning behind the numbers we can develop an alternate scenario. For example, the Pipe Tobacco Council figure was stated as a reply to the deeming rules and may have been purposely low given that their strategy is to skirt the FDA process by being too small potatoes to bother with. Secondly the number of pipers in the US may have been heavily underestimated in 2004 given that B&M customers are harder to track than internet customers or that people didn't like telling the live CDC rep that they smoked or people didn't consider themselves pipe smokers per se even if they did use a pipe on ocassion. In this second scenario I'm keeping the first scenario's numbers the same with the exception of 2) which is rising to .02% of total tobacco sales are of pipe tobacco and 4) the total number of pipe smokers is determined at 2012 levels. This results in the following A) In 2004 US pipe tobacco sales were worth around USD 273 million in comparison to USD 180 million in 2014. B) The average piper in the US bought 22.7 tins (USD 136) in 2004 and 10.3 tins (USD 83) in 2014. C) The average everyday/someday pipe smoker bought 40.9 tins (USD 245) in 2004 and 24.8 tins (USD 198) in 2014. Taken these two scenarios together we can roughly assume that in 2004 if you smoked a pipe at least once everyday and bought less than 41 tins then you 'underbought', between 41-77 tins you were an 'average' buyer and over 71 tins then you were a 'hoarder' in comparison to similar consumers. Similarly if these last few years you smoked a pipe at least once everyday and per year bought less than 13 tins then you 'underbought', between 13-25 tins then you are an 'average' buyer, and more than 25 tins then you are 'hoarding' tobacco in comparison to similar consumers. Hope this helps P.S. Additional data suggests that pipe smokers tend to be Non-Hispanic Whites, Male, not Mormon and living in the Great Lakes States + Missouri! References: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6325.pdfwww.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801145.htmlwww.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pipe-tobacco-council-submits-official-industry-comments-on-food-and-drug-administration-proposal-to-regulate-pipe-tobacco-270393761.htmlwww.multpl.com/united-states-population/tablewww.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2011/dec/c2010br-03.pdfwww.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/economics/econ_facts/index.htm
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Post by peteguy on Jan 7, 2018 14:59:26 GMT -5
My local B&M is double what a lot of you are paying for Esoterica. They are also double what I get a tin for online. They do not get much of my business unless it is a hard to find blend. I had a goal of 20 lbs when I started because of my taste for aged VA. I wanted to be able to smoke aged VA whenever I had the urge. I now can smoke VA with 5+ years of age whenever I want. The FDA added another chunk of blends I liked that might go away. I have about 23lbs and I am no longer "looking" to add more. I will, of course, when the mood strikes or a blend is available that I want.
Also, don't forget about trading and gifting. It is nice to have a good stock for helping out other smokers or trading for something that you want to try.
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Post by peteguy on Jan 7, 2018 15:01:36 GMT -5
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 7, 2018 19:07:16 GMT -5
lestrout Maybe I went a little overboard but I ran some numbers and came up with the following (I'll post the reference links at the end and provide the spreadsheet upon request) scenarios for what constitutes pipe tobacco hoarding in the US: 1) According to the CDC tobacco sales were worth +/- USD 90 billion in 2015 2) According to the Pipe Tobacco Council pipe tobacco sales compromised .1% of tobacco sales in 2014 3) According to the CDC pipe tobacco users are divided into those smoking rarely (.6%)and those smoking somedays/everyday (.3%) of the US adult population in 2012 4) According to the Washington Post in 2004 1.3 million pipers consumed around 4.5 million lbs of pipe tobacco 5) Given that the Bureau of Labor Statistics webpage is down, I'm calculating consumption levels of rarely and somedays/everyday pipers using the 80-20 rule (20% of total consumption by rarely and 80% consumption by sonedays/everyday) 6) If we assume that the average price per 50g tin was USD 6 in 2004 and USD 8 in 2014 and that all tobacco was sold in tins then A) In 2004 US pipe tobacco sales were worth around USD 245 million in comparison to USD 90 million in 2014. B) The average piper in the US bought 31.5 tins (USD 189) in 2004 and 5.2 tins (USD 41) in 2014. C) The average everyday/someday pipe smoker bought 76.3 tins (USD 458) in 2004 and 12.4 tins (USD 99) in 2014. Therefore, if you smoke a pipe at least once everyday and bought 77 tins about a decade ago or 13 tins these last few years then we can roughly estimate that you are 'hoarding' tobacco in comparison to similar consumers. If we question some of the reasoning behind the numbers we can develop an alternate scenario. For example, the Pipe Tobacco Council figure was stated as a reply to the deeming rules and may have been purposely low given that their strategy is to skirt the FDA process by being too small potatoes to bother with. Secondly the number of pipers in the US may have been heavily underestimated in 2004 given that B&M customers are harder to track than internet customers or that people didn't like telling the live CDC rep that they smoked or people didn't consider themselves pipe smokers per se even if they did use a pipe on ocassion. In this second scenario I'm keeping the first scenario's numbers the same with the exception of 2) which is rising to .02% of total tobacco sales are of pipe tobacco and 4) the total number of pipe smokers is determined at 2012 levels. This results in the following A) In 2004 US pipe tobacco sales were worth around USD 273 million in comparison to USD 180 million in 2014. B) The average piper in the US bought 22.7 tins (USD 136) in 2004 and 10.3 tins (USD 83) in 2014. C) The average everyday/someday pipe smoker bought 40.9 tins (USD 245) in 2004 and 24.8 tins (USD 198) in 2014. Taken these two scenarios together we can roughly assume that in 2004 if you smoked a pipe at least once everyday and bought less than 41 tins then you 'underbought', between 41-77 tins you were an 'average' buyer and over 71 tins then you were a 'hoarder' in comparison to similar consumers. Similarly if these last few years you smoked a pipe at least once everyday and per year bought less than 13 tins then you 'underbought', between 13-25 tins then you are an 'average' buyer, and more than 25 tins then you are 'hoarding' tobacco in comparison to similar consumers. Hope this helps P.S. Additional data suggests that pipe smokers tend to be Non-Hispanic Whites, Male, not Mormon and living in the Great Lakes States + Missouri! References: www.cdc.gov/mmwr/pdf/wk/mm6325.pdfwww.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/18/AR2005061801145.htmlwww.prnewswire.com/news-releases/pipe-tobacco-council-submits-official-industry-comments-on-food-and-drug-administration-proposal-to-regulate-pipe-tobacco-270393761.htmlwww.multpl.com/united-states-population/tablewww.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/publications/2011/dec/c2010br-03.pdfwww.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/economics/econ_facts/index.htm Wow! That's quite an analysis! Of course, many smokers smoke more than one bowl per day, so the purchase amounts would need to be adjusted accordingly. But, accepting that your sums are accurate it's clear that pipe smoking is on a downward trajectory. I did pick up a few items at the WCPS as a seller there was selling some vintage blends that I had been hunting for very reasonable prices. A couple of items I bought appeared on a secondary tobacco sale site at between 200% and 600% of what I paid for them, and they sold out in a heartbeat. The big buys are done. I may add a tin or two of something new, but really, I have a great selection from which to choose. All buying stops next year, after I retire. No money for this kind of indulgence. |
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