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Post by Zach on Sept 2, 2017 17:07:41 GMT -5
Well I didn't know where to put this Many of you have undoubtedly found these over the years around gardens, in manure, around other Nightshade or found Belladonna as well. I went to Taco Bell to grab a couple burritos for us, it's 2 minutes from my house. When I pulled out of the drive through, I looked right towards their dumpster to look for traffic, etc. When I immediately noticed the purple-lavender trumpet flowers that are hallmark of Jimson Weed. I did a double take. I haven't seen one in years and I could not believe one had grown to full maturity with the thorny seed pods and everything on it right there just out of reach of a mower. Call me crazy, and believe me, I am fully aware of how very dangerous these alkaloids are, but I went back and cut the whole thing down and brought it home! Now, I am not planning on smoking it or anything like that. It was more of a spur of the moment thing and I wasn't thinking of much other than hoping a child wouldnt pick the pears of it or anything like that. Anyway, it's not illegal, but it's a very, very poisonous hallucinogen and it's where the old colloquialisms such as "hot as hell," "blind as a bat," and other terms originated. Just eating a tiny bit or taking a puff or two of dried leaf out of a pipe will put you into a full on state of dysphoric delirium and full on vivid visual and auditory hallucinations for a couple of days! It's obviously in the Solanaceae family, and it's a Nightshade variety. They are beautiful plants though, and I love plants. I wanted to study it and let the seed pods burst. Would be pretty to grow as long as you don't have kids around. It stinks with a sickeningly sweet bean and dark green smell that typically puts off any animals but I'd certainly be leery of them around a Datura plant as well. I ended up finding it when it was literally fully ripened. A couple flowers left on it but mostly all gone to the thorny seed pods.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 17:13:09 GMT -5
The real Loco Weed and can cause permanent loco effects
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Post by Zach on Sept 2, 2017 17:23:21 GMT -5
Oh yes, very much so. Believe it or not, in the United States it's still legal to grow as a crop and a pharmacy/doctor etc can legally prescribe it. They used to use a tiny bit of it in cigarettes or an herbal mixture to smoke it to relieve asthma symptoms. Even today, the solution the optometrist uses to dilate eyes is the same compounds as Datura but mostly synthesized today. Women used to squeeze a little Datura juice in their eyes because for some reason, they thought dilated eyes were attractive.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 2, 2017 19:44:17 GMT -5
I had heard of the word Jimson weed, but that is the extent of my knowledge...and it has been many mooons since I heard the word. Thanks for the post educating some of us about it. Knowing the desire of some to do anything for a high, it surprises me that we don't hear more about it.
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Post by Zach on Sept 2, 2017 20:00:59 GMT -5
I had heard of the word Jimson weed, but that is the extent of my knowledge...and it has been many mooons since I heard the word. Thanks for the post educating some of us about it. Knowing the desire of some to do anything for a high, it surprises me that we don't hear more about it. It's not a recreational high by any means. The hallucinogenic dose is just mere milligrams essentially from a lethal dose. It's main alkaloids are Scopalamine, Hyoscyamine, and atropine. Each of these tropane alkaloids have tons of medical uses today, but using the actual plant is long outdated. Even as recent as about 30-40 years ago people would smoke these brands of herbal cigarettes with Nightshade leaves in it for asthma symptoms. If you loaded up a pipe full of dried leaves and managed to take several puffs, you'd be in for several days, yes days, of full delirium and hallucinations. If you were a cigarette smoker, people commonly do what is called "ghost smoking," where they think they are pulling out a pack of smokes, lighting it, going through the motions of smoking it, all the while they were hallucinating even smoking in the first place. Another reason I thought to post this here is Nightshade is in the Solanaceae family, as is tobacco, eggplant, tomato, potatoes. All these plants in this family are filled with alkaloids. Nicotine in tobacco. Tomatine in tomatoes. Solanine in potatoes. Atropine, scopalamine, and hyoscamine in Nightshades of various levels. Belladonna has those same three in different levels, as does Mandrake, Angel's Trumpets, etc. Many alkaloids can stop your central nervous system. I didn't mean for it to get really technical or in depth, but I do love plants and find it all very fascinating. Even things that may be toxic, such as nicotine, our bodies have been adapted to for thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. We have nicotine receptors. We have receptors for all the plants. We actually hallucinate our very own reality as each of us see it. Things like optical illusions go to show how our consciousness predicts what it thinks it should be seeing and experiencing, and in effect, it's a very long technical explanation but we each create our own hallucinated realm space and reality. People with mental imbalances see completely distorted realities from what a mentally healthy individual sees. Like say someone with a dissociative personality disorder. They cannot visualize themselves as being real and they constantly feel like they are dreaming and watching their own life. This is much of the reasoning behind shamans and people experimenting with drugs to alter their own state of consciousness. It's very interesting stuff because Google and companies creating Artificial Intelligence at this very moment are training the machines on all kinds of substances. It's unreal. They are training the AI's on LSD to teach them empathy. Training them on alcohol, and nicotine, and other hallucinogenic effects as well. Google engineers have said they must train Artificial Intelligence on LSD algorithms to teach empathy and to value human life. Totally different topic, but it all comes back to these plants that we use on this planet we all inhabit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 20:38:40 GMT -5
I've come in contact with these and Belladonna when I was a young lad, I remember they grew enormous around a convent and along a fence near grandmas house. I knew a few friends at the time that tried the Belladonna with drastic and not so drastic reactions, but, certainly memorable .......and I'll leave that at that.
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Post by papipeguy on Sept 2, 2017 20:52:14 GMT -5
In other words, it's like SG 1792?
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Post by billyklubb on Sept 2, 2017 21:32:33 GMT -5
In other words, it's like SG 1792? Bwahahaha!!!!
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Post by haebar on Sept 2, 2017 21:42:25 GMT -5
When I was in high school, a friend of mine ate an unknown quantity of the seeds and was hospitalized in a mental hospital for many days. When he got out, he said he could never get high again - no weed, no alcohol, etc. I asked him what it was like and he said it was like nightmares that you couldn't wake up from. Said he saw things like elephants bursting through his bedroom walls. I haven't seen him in all these years and don't know what the long-term ramifications were.
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Post by Zach on Sept 2, 2017 21:50:58 GMT -5
When I was in high school, a friend of mine ate an unknown quantity of the seeds and was hospitalized in a mental hospital for many days. When he got out, he said he could never get high again - no weed, no alcohol, etc. I asked him what it was like and he said it was like nightmares that you couldn't wake up from. Said he saw things like elephants bursting through his bedroom walls. I haven't seen him in all these years and don't know what the long-term ramifications were. Interesting that hallucinations are often reflected upon as being either dream-like, or nightmare. Our very mind creates the most powerful hallucinogen for dreaming and for extreme danger and near death or during death experiences; Dimethyltryptamine. DMT. What's in the drink Ayuasca that South American tribes drink for various reasons. Our own brain creates DMT. Our metabolisms run on an endocannabinoid system as well for healthy cell functioning.
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Post by crapgame on Sept 3, 2017 12:58:21 GMT -5
Morning glory seeds also have the same effect if consumed..the bad trip that is..
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Post by Zach on Sept 3, 2017 14:17:30 GMT -5
Morning glory seeds also have the same effect if consumed..the bad trip that is.. Nah, Morning Glory contains LSA, Lysergic Acid which is a distant relative of LSD. It's very mild like an alcohol buzz even if you eat hundreds and hundreds of Morning Glory seeds. Jimson Weed is very dangerous and a comparison would be hard to make. Like drinking a wine cooler compared to drinking an entire gallon of moonshine but that's a terrible comparison.
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Post by trailboss on Sept 3, 2017 19:54:59 GMT -5
When I was in high school, a friend of mine ate an unknown quantity of the seeds and was hospitalized in a mental hospital for many days. When he got out, he said he could never get high again - no weed, no alcohol, etc. I asked him what it was like and he said it was like nightmares that you couldn't wake up from. Said he saw things like elephants bursting through his bedroom walls. I haven't seen him in all these years and don't know what the long-term ramifications were. Someone told my brother that if he ate a bunch of Marazine (motion sickness pills), he could get high, so he ate a tin of them. For the next twelve hours he was on a trip from hell, his buddies transformed into monsters and he freaked out big time... never took them again, but after a life of excess doing coke, weed, acid, alcohol, mushrooms, peyote, etc.. he had strokes and a massive heart attack. He went from being a super handsome guy that women swooned over with a magnetic personality to boot, into a person unable to talk, and creeps a lot of women out, because although he can no longer attract them, his passion to do so is unabated. Dorian Grey in the flesh, very sad. I recently talked to an epidemiologist? that said that a lot of chickens are coming home to roost with a lot of baby boomers that are paying the price in later years for engaging in unbridled drug use when they figured they were invincible.
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