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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 3, 2017 21:00:07 GMT -5
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Post by PhantomWolf on Sept 3, 2017 21:10:29 GMT -5
Love the finish. Congrats, man.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 3, 2017 21:26:47 GMT -5
Love the finish. Congrats, man. I've gotten lucky with both my Dunhill in terms of both quality and price. My other Dunhill is my '64 birth year Root Briar group 4 Billiard, shape 60:  They make a good group 1 & 4 Billiard set. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 3, 2017 23:01:59 GMT -5
I take it that this is a group 1, meaning a fairly small pipe? I'm asking because the dot looks overlarge, which sometimes happens with a small circumference stem, or with a replacement stem. Do you have a top and bottom view of the stem and a view of the slot?
The stampings look like they could be 1970's, plus or minus a decade or so. Tough to pin down dating, even with a date stamp. Certainly after the patent era, but when did Dunhill stop putting the size in a circle and start adding it to the model number? Stampings could be very inconsistent.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 3, 2017 23:17:41 GMT -5
I take it that this is a group 1, meaning a fairly small pipe? I'm asking because the dot looks overlarge, which sometimes happens with a small circumference stem, or with a replacement stem. Do you have a top and bottom view of the stem and a view of the slot? The stampings look like they could be 1970's, plus or minus a decade or so. Tough to pin down dating, even with a date stamp. Certainly after the patent era, but when did Dunhill stop putting the size in a circle and start adding it to the model number? Stampings could be very inconsistent. Yes, a small group 1. I'll post additional pics tomorrow. I've been told that circled group number started after 1960. |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 8, 2017 13:54:55 GMT -5
I take it that this is a group 1, meaning a fairly small pipe? I'm asking because the dot looks overlarge, which sometimes happens with a small circumference stem, or with a replacement stem. Do you have a top and bottom view of the stem and a view of the slot? The stampings look like they could be 1970's, plus or minus a decade or so. Tough to pin down dating, even with a date stamp. Certainly after the patent era, but when did Dunhill stop putting the size in a circle and start adding it to the model number? Stampings could be very inconsistent. - I finally got around to taking more pictures. I measured the dot size as best as I could with a dial caliper and compared it to my 1964 Dunhill Root Briar group 4 Billiard. This group 1's dot is only 0.01" larger than the group 4's dot. Size comparison between this Root Briar group 1 and my 1964 Root Briar Group 4:  Dot size comparison, group 4 on top, group 1 on bottom:  Stem top:  Stem bottom:  Slot: (couldn't get camera to focus on slot well  )  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 14:00:33 GMT -5
Purty.
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Post by sparks on Sept 8, 2017 14:21:08 GMT -5
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Post by That Falls Guy on Sept 8, 2017 14:34:30 GMT -5
I'm far from an expert, and may be way off, but with the suffix 1 after the word ENGLAND, I would date it 1951. 1951 was the first time that the number/suffix was introduced. 1952 had the number 2, 1953 was 3, and so on. That would be my guess.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 8, 2017 15:23:39 GMT -5
There is no suffix year stamp. The 1 in a circle is the group number.
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Post by peteguy on Sept 8, 2017 16:06:48 GMT -5
It is possible, but it sure doesn't look like it from the pics, that the pipe was sent to Dunhill for a shank repair and thus no date. Another possibility is human error/laziness. If it is a fake it is the best one I have seen but I am no expert. I would ask George Dibos to check this thread.
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Post by sparks on Sept 8, 2017 18:20:52 GMT -5
This has the same exact stamping as yours, with the exception of a 9 after Made in England, and obviously "S" for shell instead of "R"
It almost seems like someone forgot a stamp on yours.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Sept 23, 2017 22:23:42 GMT -5
Sorry to be coming back to this one so late, but I've been swamped with work at Warner Animation. Wacky Races and Scooby Do have been crowding out pretty much everything else. Since there's no patent, the pipe is no earlier than 1955. Since there is an "R" indicating the finish and a size code in a circle, it's no later than 1975.
The shape of the stem button appears to be correct for a fantail. The buttons show a slightly concave profile when seen from the top.
The lack of a year number may indicate that Dunhill screwed up the stampings. It was not uncommon.
If you notice, the words "Root Briar" extend beyond the word "Dunhill. Sometime in the mid 1970's this arrangement was changed so that the words "Root Briar" neatly fit under the word "Dunhill".
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 23, 2017 23:06:05 GMT -5
Sorry to be coming back to this one so late, but I've been swamped with work at Warner Animation. Wacky Races and Scooby Do have been crowding out pretty much everything else. Since there's no patent, the pipe is no earlier than 1955. Since there is an "R" indicating the finish and a size code in a circle, it's no later than 1975. The shape of the stem button appears to be correct for a fantail. The buttons show a slightly concave profile when seen from the top. The lack of a year number may indicate that Dunhill screwed up the stampings. It was not uncommon. If you notice, the words "Root Briar" extend beyond the word "Dunhill. Sometime in the mid 1970's this arrangement was changed so that the words "Root Briar" neatly fit under the word "Dunhill". Thanks! |
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Post by orley on Sept 24, 2017 12:38:10 GMT -5
John, just so you don't feel alone by not having a date number, here's mine:  |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Sept 24, 2017 14:41:37 GMT -5
John, just so you don't feel alone by not having a date number, here's mine: Thanks. |
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Post by Robert Perkins on Sept 30, 2017 6:53:01 GMT -5
There are a handful of artisan pipe makers around who are totally anal about the length of the shank on a Billiard being exactly the same as the height of its bowl.
And it always strikes me funny that I have never seen a single Dunhill Billiard that conformed to this supposed "standard". Does Dunhill (Dunhill!!!) not know how to make a Billiard? Or is there room for leeway in the shank-to-bowl gold standard ratio?
I, myself, think there's a bit of wiggle room there, like up to a 25% discrepancy in shank versus bowl measurements. Kindof like what the good folks at Dunhill believe.
But what do you guys think?
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Post by peterd-Buffalo Spirit on Sept 30, 2017 7:11:04 GMT -5
...for all the positive characteristics of Dunhill...there are many inconsistencies in how and what they did during many time periods...
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