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Post by haebar on Oct 25, 2017 17:09:26 GMT -5
I'm curious as to how other people jar their tobacco for aging or storage. When you jar tobacco for your "cellar"... - What size jars do you use?
- Do you use different sized/shaped jars for different formats (flakes, cakes, etc.)
- Do you use the jars right out of the package or do you clean them in any way?
- How tightly do you close the lids?
- How do you label the jars?
When I get a pound of tobacco, I generally fill up a Ball Mason wide-mouthed quart jar and then fill a wide-mouth pint jar and the rest I put in half-pint jars. For long flakes, like G&H, I use the 24 ounce tall Ball jars that come in a 9-pack. Sometimes I may still have to trim a little off the ends of the flakes. I generally use my jars right out of the package. The first time I started canning tobacco (2009), I actually used the boiling water bath, etc. Made for an impressive whoosh sound when you opened them, but they will do that after a while even without canning with heat. Then I read that you really don't have to go through all of that; that the fermentation or whatever process of the tobacco will form a vacuum on its own over time. As far as how tight to close the lids, I have read conflicting advice on this; some say finger tight, others say as tight as you can get it. For labeling, I use a Brother P-touch label maker that makes black on white labels. Sometimes, if the tobacco has a cool label, I will cut that to fit inside one of the jars and use it for display. I put on a separate label for the date that I purchased it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:46:19 GMT -5
I can't add much to this as it's already a fairly comprehensive education. The biggest mistake I made when I began jarring was using jars which were too large. I'd definitely recommend smaller jars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:54:11 GMT -5
I like the 4 ounce jelly jars, as they are the perfect size to jar a tin and have a couple of sample bowls before sealing the lid.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Oct 25, 2017 18:02:23 GMT -5
I use whatever I find at the right price.
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Post by paulllaser on Oct 25, 2017 18:14:46 GMT -5
I think haebar has the right recipe. This is basically what I do. We had an interesting discussion at our last pipe club meeting on the best way to fill the jar, loose or tight, add some air space depending on aro or non, etc. There were many differing opinions here. My feeling is to pack reasonably tight and forget about air space. Leave it sealed if you want to have it age, that is an anaerobic process. If you open the jar, the newly introduced air has to be consumed again before the anaerobic processes will begin again. Put daily use quantities in smaller jars for regular use. Aging is largely dependent on the sugar content of the tobacco with Virginias having the most, Burley much less. Of course, they should be kept in a cool, dark location. A few months to a few years can do wonders.
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Post by paulllaser on Oct 25, 2017 18:16:52 GMT -5
I like the 4 ounce jelly jars, as they are the perfect size to jar a tin and have a couple of sample bowls before sealing the lid. Mike, why jar a tin? Of course if you want to sample it before aging it is necessary but do you jar all your tins?
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Post by Baboo on Oct 25, 2017 18:46:37 GMT -5
Once i crack open a tin it immediately gets jarred. Rarely do i finish off a tin in a weeks time or less, so in a Mason jar it goes... and cellar is so broad wide n deep I just go from one to the next ad infinitum... my jars are always closed wrenchingly tight, even though I may reopen it soon... never had any go bad or moldy... just vintage goodness and always fresh... t'aint rocket science from my experience... I either use a Sharpie to label the lid or tape a pretty factory label to the glass. Don't really rely on Mylar bagging for long term, but that's just me.
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Post by TwelveAMnTX on Oct 25, 2017 19:45:51 GMT -5
I mainly use 1/2 pint Kerr jars, but I have a few of the 4 oz. & a couple 16 oz. jars. I also have a 4 pack of the Ball Collection Elite 16 oz. wide mouth jars that I use for some blends. For the most part everything goes in the 1/2 pint & fits fine for me.
The sealed packages of jars get used without cleaning, I just air them out before putting in tobacco. If I buy any jars loose, they get washed with hot soapy water, dried with paper towels & left to air before loading.
I snug them up tight, but try not to over-tighten the lids, that can damage the seal over time. I use masking tape with name written in marker & I'll use the same lids for same/similar blends later.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 20:34:39 GMT -5
Various sizes of jars here too don't do much pre- cleaning of the jars if they are new but do wipe them off inside and out with a little rum and let them air out before filling them up looking for jars today as a matter of fact and i found these anchor hocking large sized jars which will work for my favorite blends that i order in larger weights the smaller ones are 2 quart capacity the two larger jars are 1 gallon size i cut the top off of my coffee can lids to make better seals for these compared to to cardboard seals they came with
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 10:52:13 GMT -5
I like the 4 ounce jelly jars, as they are the perfect size to jar a tin and have a couple of sample bowls before sealing the lid. Mike, why jar a tin? Of course if you want to sample it before aging it is necessary but do you jar all your tins? A good many, probably 80%. Open tins are usually flakes and I can go through OGS, DSK and Wallace Flake faster than a freight train leaving a tramp.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 11:04:15 GMT -5
I jar bulks and tins once opened. I use the wide mouth Ball jars in quart and pint sizes.
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Post by skaukatt on Oct 26, 2017 11:36:21 GMT -5
I use the same approach as mentioned by Baboo which has worked for me for decades.
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Post by trailboss on Oct 26, 2017 15:29:58 GMT -5
I pretty much follow the advice given in the first two posts. 90% of my blends are in half pint jars because it allows me to work through a jar I like pretty easily in a five or six jar rotation. I started out buying the wide mouth versions, but being stackable (which the wide mout isn't), takes a back seat to being stackable. I cut down my crumble cakes to fit the jars...I do use larger jars for some bulk long term storage...people say that Burley's don't really age well but an old timer I know only smokes five years or older burleys and Va-burs and swears by them. All my pouch blends share a same half gallon jar. One thing to keep in mind is that you need to keep the rim of a jar scrupulously clean, just a small piece of tobacco can compromise that very thin seal, and if it is any amount of time between smokes, you can have some dried sagebrush to smoke. Buy extra lids, they are cheap. For labels, I was using the brother label maker, but they can be a pain to take off when the jar is empty, and they are more time consuming than just picking up Kerr mason labels at Wal-mart. Easier to peel to apply than brother, and they accept a fine point pen well, so it is easy to write the blend and date, and they peel off cleanly when you empty a jar. I am sure that Mylar is fine for long term, but I like the glass jar, silicone seal, and metal lid...they just give me more confidence over the long haul.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 17:06:16 GMT -5
I put them back in their original tray and stack them. Doing this nullifies the issue with wide mouth jars.
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Post by peteguy on Oct 26, 2017 17:10:41 GMT -5
I use one of these: with one of these: and stuff them in these:
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 18:16:50 GMT -5
Classico Pasta Sauce comes in a Mason jar ala good base sauce to tamper with and free Mason jar. I have been drinking out of those jars and putting tobacco in them for years. I clean the used lids with scalding hot water and reuse them, Gasp. I have packed em tight and dropped PS Navy flakes into them loose and the lids always pop. Yes I purchase some new lids as well the two piece ones. The only tobacco I ever had mold was two pounds of PS Proper English that I put in a old flip top wire bail giant Mason Jar.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 19:01:56 GMT -5
UPDATE on my above post ^^^^ The large 1 gallon anchor hocking jars (USA Glass) do not have the good quality lids that they once did back in the day.... the company is now using Imported Metal Lids These things do not seal worth a _ _ _ _the thread on the glass do not match up with threads on the cheap / loose / flimsy metal lids The 1/2 gallon jars the lids sealed a little better but still not good quality Shame on You Anchor Hocking for using imported parts on a once good USA brand name
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Post by sablebrush52 on Oct 26, 2017 19:04:36 GMT -5
Some of you may find this article on jarring, from GL Pease's site, very interesting, especially if you don't want your tobaccos, for example blending latakia, to age while being stored long term: www.glpease.com/Articles/vacuum.html
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Post by Baboo on Oct 26, 2017 19:11:48 GMT -5
Aging will take place, or not... regardless, jarring is the way to go. Store in dark cool environ. If aging is not desired, vacuum seal and cross fingers.
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Post by BrunoT on Oct 27, 2017 3:30:30 GMT -5
I use hermetic round glass jars with clamp lids for everything, around here we call them "patent jars". They always have a piece of paper on the top between the seal and the actual bottle so I write all the information there. I like to smoke flakes out of the tin, so I only pack looser cuts; works like a charm.
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Post by papipeguy on Oct 27, 2017 10:11:57 GMT -5
Ball jars here. I find that jarring the Samuel Gawith and G-H flakes after opening the tin is essential as they dry out pretty quickly. I d buy very little in bulk and it depends where I get the bulk from. The bags that Uhle's use are very good for long time storage. Heavier gauge than others seem to use.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2017 13:25:04 GMT -5
Not much to add except for labeling. I usually view my jars from the top, so I label the lids (blend and origin year). On the jars I am actively smoking out of, I use a grease pencil which will easily wipe off when I switch out tobaccos. For blends I am aging, I use a Sharpy for longevity. It still comes right off with acetone when I need it to.
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Post by Zach on Oct 28, 2017 19:50:50 GMT -5
Large Mason jars for my long term aging and large amounts to stay unopened the longest. Small-medium jars for go-to jars or smaller amounts of let's say, a small tin worth to store mid to long term.
I label Mason jars and lids on top the lid and directly on the glass with a Sharpie. Just use a little rubbing alcohol to take it off. When I wash a mason jar out to put a different blend into it, I wash them out with only hot water and baking soda. Baking soda works well to not leave a soap scent or residue, to sterilize and deodorize.
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Post by sparks on Oct 29, 2017 7:59:31 GMT -5
I posted elsewhere, but Mylar bags are the way to go in my opinion.
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Post by jitterbugdude on Oct 29, 2017 12:10:42 GMT -5
I posted elsewhere, but Mylar bags are the way to go in my opinion. Ditto!
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Post by haebar on Oct 29, 2017 15:04:43 GMT -5
I posted elsewhere, but Mylar bags are the way to go in my opinion. Can you seal them with the Foodsaver machines that are made for sealing plastic bags?
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Post by sparks on Oct 29, 2017 17:17:56 GMT -5
I posted elsewhere, but Mylar bags are the way to go in my opinion. Can you seal them with the Foodsaver machines that are made for sealing plastic bags? I don't believe those Foodsaver machines have a high enough heat to seal the Mylar. I have heard some people just use a clothing iron, or you can purchase various heat sealers.
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Post by Nevadablue on Oct 29, 2017 19:39:53 GMT -5
My sealer is not a food saver, but nothing fancy at all. It is probably close to 20 years old now and works fine on mylar. Mylar isn't difficult to seal. It is easy to test though. Just stick a tee shirt in a bag and seal it. Mash it around. If it holds, let it rest and mash it around in a few days. I bet it will be fine. Cheap test either way. The bag can be reused, just trim off the seal and dump in the tobacco. Use a clean tee shirt.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2018 19:13:05 GMT -5
...The biggest mistake I made when I began jarring was using jars which were too large. I'd definitely recommend smaller jars. I like the 4 ounce jelly jars, as they are the perfect size to jar a tin and have a couple of sample bowls before sealing the lid. I wish I had read this thread before I began purchasing tobacco last Fall. I have a dozen blends in pint jars that are now flavorless.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 29, 2018 19:21:54 GMT -5
You probably have this sorted by now, but I'd add that I recently switched to Kerr over Ball. The Kerr 16oz jars I found have a nice wide mouth with no bevel so it's easier to pinch baccy out of. Also easier to really give it what for when stuffing it down in there.
Once my credit card recovers from the reckless TAD/PAD indulgences of late, I'd really like to get a mylar bag system myself for long-term aging.
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