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Post by That Falls Guy on Nov 20, 2017 19:56:36 GMT -5
I seen many comments from pipe smokers as to how they either threw away a pipe, or sold it, because it gurgled. The main complaint seems to be that the pipe was drilled improperly.
On the other hand, other pipe smokers attribute a gurgling pipe to the tobacco being too wet.
Where do you stand on this subject? Have you ever thrown away or sold a pipe because it gurgled too much?
Or do believe that drier tobacco solves the problem? Or somewhere in between?
Look forward to seeing some of your thoughts and comments on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 20:12:15 GMT -5
Well it can be both (I know, very helpful). I do know for a fact that most pipes with metal in the airway are prone to gurgling. I have had gurglers and they remained so even after being redrilled. Could the briar itself be the culprit?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 20:18:08 GMT -5
Shelby Foote, great man of the South, said it was mostly bent pipes. I have heard and experienced it from too fast puffing and/or wet tobacco.
If a pipe gurgles I take note and sip more slowly the next time.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Nov 20, 2017 20:30:17 GMT -5
I learned a trick from a fello piper, here or one of the other forums.
If I've got a gurgler I take a pipe cleaner and run it down through the mouthpiece and down into the stummel.
This almost always soaks up the moisture and cures the gurgle. Obviously, if the draught hole doesn't line up with the stem you're S.O.L.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 20:49:47 GMT -5
All of my gurgling pipes were gone years ago. I stick to the classic proven shapes, pipe makers and properly treat my tobacco before it goes in the bowl. No worries now but it was a trying and expensive lesson to work through. Good times.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2017 23:24:01 GMT -5
I had a pipe gurgle because there was a small obstruction in the airway. My MM Pony Express and Tom Sawyer gurgle all the time due to the design of the mouthpiece.
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Post by zambini on Nov 21, 2017 1:44:51 GMT -5
My limited experience is that when one of my pipes gurgles it's always been my fault. I tend to eat candy and drink water during my smoking sessions and sometimes spit/slobber through the stem. My solution, by degrees of wetness, is: 1) clean the pipe with a pipe cleaner and tissue paper, if still gurgling 2) dab the bowl with alcohol [vodka is less likely to ghost the pipe] and light a few times whilst taking a drag from the stem then load it up with the driest tobacco you've got and light it normally, and if it's still gurgling 3) take the pipe apart and leave it to dry in the sun for a day. I've never had a pipe that was particularly prone to gurgling though.
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Post by antb on Nov 21, 2017 3:00:10 GMT -5
All of the above are valid points.
I may add from my own own experience that I have managed to smoke most of my gurglers into silence, by smoking the heck out of them and building some decent cake with minimal cleaning until the required result is reached. My 2 cents, but it works for me.
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Post by kirbyb on Dec 20, 2017 17:27:33 GMT -5
I have a few pipes that refuse not to gurgle, doesn't matter what I do. I just stick a pipe cleaner down the stem and it makes it all better.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 18:13:46 GMT -5
I have a few pipes that refuse not to gurgle, doesn't matter what I do. I just stick a pipe cleaner down the stem and it makes it all better. Cool beans. I have bents which are good smokers even though they won't pass a cleaner. IMHO, 1/4 bents or less should be expected to pass a cleaner from stem to bowl, no excuses; however, the main issue for me with more fuller bents is if they are drilled too high in the bowl. Que high rollers.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2017 18:40:00 GMT -5
Great thread,Roy. Something I do and Dino brought it up as well is to swab the stem while smoking. This helps me, but it is also a necessity and more akin to a band-aid than a preventative measure. If I were to guess, I'd say the issue is because of damp tobacco and smoking too quicky. If you smoke tobacco hot, it stands to reason that any moisture therein will become water vapor, hence my gurgling pipes... I'm sure some pipes are better for this, especially those with large bowls that allow for the steam to escape more readily, but in my mind, it is tobacco moisture and cadence. I'm finding a more comfortable Ballance between the two as time goes on and I gain some of the wisdom some if you old time smoker's have developed. That's my take on it.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 20, 2017 21:42:52 GMT -5
If it won't pass a cleaner, or even if it will, try tilting the bowl down and forward and blow very lightly. This will move the bubble back to the bottom of the bowl. Then slow down.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 22:07:09 GMT -5
When the issue is damp tobacco, you can run the pick of the Czech tool, straight down the back of the bowl and gently nudge the tobac forward. Just a smidgen and it often eliminates the need to use a pipe cleaner. Nothing wrong with the pipe cleaner fix either. In fact, I find a single pass of the pc at midbowl improves the taste of most blends, whether their damp or not.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 20, 2017 22:40:55 GMT -5
Some pipes like the Savinelli 604KS and Petersons aren't designed to accept a pipe cleaner all the way into the shank. Hence my suggestion.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 21, 2017 3:31:53 GMT -5
A trick to getting a pipe cleaner to make it to the bowl, is to put a small slight bend on the very end of the pipe cleaner and as you rotate the pipe cleaner gently, you can often get it to make the trip to the bowl.
This technique works reall well on a few bent pipes of mine, resulting in a dryer smoke.
On Peterson system pipes, the military mount makes it easy to dump the septic tank, and a twisted napkin makes a good moisture sop.
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Post by danno44 on Dec 21, 2017 8:01:33 GMT -5
For me a gurgle is normally operator error now. I do have 1 current pipe that no matter what has a gurgle. Right now more than likely will sell at some point. I had another that I sold, at a huge loss and full disclosure when I did sell it. It was, to date, the worse pipe I have ever owned and the maker, from a well known company that sells their own pipes and baccy. They were complete idiots who I refuse to even mention, recommend or spend one more penny with. It was drilled so badly that I took it to Paul’s Pipe Shop to try and fix, because the place I bought it from said to basically go pound sand. Paul’s analysis was the pipe “was a waste of good Briar and beyond repair.” So although cadence, baccy prep are a major factor, sometimes it’s just a poorly made pipe.
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Post by Darin on Dec 21, 2017 9:08:02 GMT -5
Only one gurgler in the herd ... a Moonshine Pipes product that is likely not drilled properly. I'd toss it but it was a gift from a friend.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 21, 2017 12:04:44 GMT -5
I smoked my Savinelli 604KS for the first time in over a year. It had always gurgled uncontrollably. Well, guess what? It magically cured itself. Or I learned a lot about pipe smoking.
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Post by HunterTRW on Dec 21, 2017 22:46:59 GMT -5
In my experience gurgling is nearly always attributable to smoking tobacco that is too moist. Compounding this problem is the fact that water is a natural byproduct of combustion. Dryer tobaccos will gurgle less, and reduce the possibility of tongue-bite, too.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 21, 2017 23:11:14 GMT -5
In my experience gurgling is nearly always attributable to smoking tobacco that is too moist. Compounding this problem is the fact that water is a natural byproduct of combustion. Dryer tobaccos will gurgle less, and reduce the possibility of tongue-bite, too. I have come to the same conclusion.... (with a caveat for people newer to the pipe...) too dry can be like burning tumbleweeds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 23:38:43 GMT -5
In my experience gurgling is nearly always attributable to smoking tobacco that is too moist. Compounding this problem is the fact that water is a natural byproduct of combustion. Dryer tobaccos will gurgle less, and reduce the possibility of tongue-bite, too. True this; however, over-dried tobacco loses flavor.
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Post by zambini on Dec 21, 2017 23:46:15 GMT -5
In my experience gurgling is nearly always attributable to smoking tobacco that is too moist. Compounding this problem is the fact that water is a natural byproduct of combustion. Dryer tobaccos will gurgle less, and reduce the possibility of tongue-bite, too. True this; however, over-dried tobacco loses flavor. And burns faster. I pretty much trust the manufacturer to provide the correct moisture level unless it's bulk tobacco...or Samuel Gawith. I rehydrate blends and prefer too wet over too dry.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 31, 2018 11:31:26 GMT -5
I thought steam was a by-product of combustion? Tobacco when it burns produces moisture. Moist tobacco produces more steam than drier tobaccos. Some pipes may smoke "wetter" than others but, gurgling is part of pipe smoking. Getting the rank, disgusting, juices into your mouth....isn't. Prevent this from happening, and nip that tongue-bath in the bud....
Run a few pipe cleaners down the stem and into the bottom of the bowl, and soak up the noise-making moisture, saliva, etc. as soon as you begin hear that dreaded, death rattle. Pipe cleaners are cheap, and they do what their name suggests. I use at least 2-3 P-Cs for every bowlful. After a while, it just becomes part of the ritual....and I don't even think about it as I'm smoking.
I buy the extra-long church warden cleaners, cut them in half for use in shorter pipes, and just cut the first 3/4" -1" off the tips of the longer cleaners after swabbing out longer stems. By cutting off just the dirty tips, you'll be able to use each long cleaner at least a minimum of four times for each bowl, even with longer stemmed pipes.
Lose that juice!
Frank NYC
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Post by Darin on Jan 31, 2018 12:21:32 GMT -5
I'm going to have to disagree with that as a generality ... only one of my pipes gurgles and it's definitely the pipe. If gurgling is part of every smoke, something is wrong and it's likely to be wet tobacco. However, I don't smoke aro's and I dry all my tobacco very well prior to smoking.
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Post by mrlunting on Aug 18, 2020 7:00:30 GMT -5
I have a yellow bowl burley with a bent stem. There is a metal condenser which acts like a filter/cooler, it gets damp and the pipe gurgles. When that happens I let the pipe cool, then I remove the stem and wipe off the condenser and put a pipe cleaner in the pipe to soak up the moisture from the tobacco for a couple minutes. I never have a problem with my briar or cob pipes.
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Post by jay on Aug 18, 2020 12:07:28 GMT -5
There are a variety of causes for moisture in the pipe. As others have mentioned, quite rightly, the tobacco may be too wet or the tenon hole is misaligned. Also, pipes with metal inserts will collect more moisture because of the multiple temperature variations between the various materials. If the bowl is painted or heavily stained, which prevents the briar from wicking moisture to the outside of the bowl, then internal moisture builds up. Also, inevitably, saliva also plays a part. If you're drinking anything while you smoke, that adds to it.
For me, I'm just grateful pipe cleaners are still cheaper than tobacco, given how many I use.
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Post by mrlunting on Aug 18, 2020 12:59:54 GMT -5
I like my tobacco dry. I place paper towels on a cookie sheet. Spread the tobacco over that. Cover with more paper towels. Leave it in a warm dry place overnight. But that is because all of the tobacco I have is topped with p.g. long story short, I try to get rid of as much of the moisture from the p.g.
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Post by jay on Aug 18, 2020 13:37:37 GMT -5
Just what good tobacco needs...more propylene glycol.
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Post by highwaycobbery on Aug 19, 2020 14:04:41 GMT -5
Drill the airway up a size, always works for me. Peterson’s are great for being drilled wrong, fixed all of them this way
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