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Post by That Falls Guy on Dec 13, 2017 18:01:33 GMT -5
To start this out, I would prefer a nice estate pipe over a new one. They are older, and generally of a better quality than the new ones on the market today, unless you want to pay Mucho $$$$ for an especially nice one. That is my thought on the subject, how to you feel about it?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:13:26 GMT -5
I have many more estate briar pipes than new. I only have one estate meer. The other seven were purchased new. I don't think quality is an issue either way with briar pipes as there are numerous quality craftspeople making solid briar pipes these days; however, I'm less certain this has translated into prime purchasing opportunities for consumers of new pipes. Current demand for new pipes has created some nice buying opportunities in the estate market. I've also learned more about pipes from the estates I've ruined in the work barn than those purchased new.
Top shelf meers are still reasonably priced and I prefer the experience of staring with new meers.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 13, 2017 20:23:05 GMT -5
I I like both, but my best smoking pipes are the ones that were smoked half to death and required serious attention to get them back to smoking condition.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:38:02 GMT -5
The briar in my estate pipes is better than in the new ones and the craftsmanship, classic design, and internal engineering (or whatever it's called) are also better. I've found some great new pipes and I love them. But I'm always looking for a Comoy's Red Riband, a Comoy's Make The Guildhall, a Barling Fossil, a GBD Pedigree, a Savory's Argyll or Curzon, or an Orlik Virgin. Also some Parkers and Hardcastles. And Bewlays. So for me it's not precisely a question of either/or, merely one of certain priorities.
In fact, to further confuse the issue, several of my pipes of estate quality I bought when new over 40 years ago. Lol.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:43:14 GMT -5
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Post by slowroll on Dec 13, 2017 21:22:24 GMT -5
I like estate pipes. Already broken in. The only new pipes I have for many years are my own cobbles.
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Post by puffy on Dec 13, 2017 23:25:44 GMT -5
I like to look at a pipe and see how it feels in my hand before I buy it.It doesn't really matter new or used If I like it.I only have one estate pipe.An Ashton. I really like it..When I was young and just starting to buy pipes.A fella in a smoke shop told me that he had some estate pipes for sale.I asked him who died.He laughed and said that they're called estate pipes because that sounds better than used.Even back those many years ago marketing was the word.
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Post by Nevadablue on Dec 14, 2017 0:16:27 GMT -5
I think I have two or three pipes I bought new. (Other than MM cobs) The rest are estate pipes. I really enjoy fixing things and estate pipes give me things to fix, learn about and then enjoy.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Dec 14, 2017 3:15:58 GMT -5
Well, since my favorite pipes haven't been made for 55 years, most of mine are estates. I also like the shapes and styles of vintage pipes, especially those fitted with sterling silver mounts. Plus, being a cheap bastard, I like getting a high end pipe for less than I would pay for a new one. That said, I've also bought new pipes and have commissioned several for myself.
But I don't think it's at all accurate to say that pipes being made today are of poorer quality than pipes made decades ago. There are some very fine carvers working today. When you consider the beautiful stem work being produced, the comfortable bits, the elegant line, it's clear that today's pipes are every bit the equal to those of yesteryear.
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Post by colorduke on Dec 14, 2017 6:23:19 GMT -5
I have way more estate pipes then I can count.I collect a lot of the old Grabows,Mastercraft, Smokemaster pipes.My main focus is the Colorduke's from the 70's when I was young standing in line with my Mother waiting for prescription to be filled at the drug store,looking at all them fancy colored pipes on the rack.
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Post by craigmillar on Dec 14, 2017 8:04:31 GMT -5
Most of my pipes are estates I would hate to think what they would have cost if bought new.I have close to 300 pipes 90% are estates.
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Post by haebar on Dec 14, 2017 8:29:30 GMT -5
I like both new and estate pipes, depending on various factors such as condition, history, etc. Many of the estate pipes that I buy are no longer made, like Sunrise pipes. Whenever I buy a new pipe it is significantly discounted; I rarely pay suggested retail price for anything for that matter. You can get much better value for your money with an estate pipe if you are a smart shopper and you don't mind the fact that the pipe has been smoked.
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Post by trailboss on Dec 14, 2017 15:14:50 GMT -5
A lot of good points...I really like English estate pipes, and my Danish estates..... and my Victorian era pipes cannot be found any place other than the estate market, I enjoy smoking them very much. All of my new pipes are also good smokers, be it my most recent Don Warren freehand, Joh's, Savinelli, or cobs. On a sidenote... A n interesting thing I found out by my bearded meerschaum in the pic:I took it to the west coast pipe show, and the Turkish gentleman from the IMP booth, told me that it was most likely an Austrian made pipe of a French zouave soldier...probably 1850 or so as that was when they were a popular subject by meerschaum carvers like Ludwig Hartmann from Vienna.
He lamented the fact that Turkish export restrictions on meerschaum are what they are, he said if the raw material was allowed to be sent out to artisan pipe makers in other countries, really great pieces could be put out and the market would benefit.
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Post by Baboo on Dec 14, 2017 17:30:37 GMT -5
I have Estates, mostly - and for good reason, I think; Break-in is not an issue... proven, tried n true. One new pipe that I recently purchased was the RDP Chubby Rhodesian... exceptional in every way. MM cobs are a staple that I do not go without, always start new and acquire my style of smoke, very versatile and forgiving of just about any blend flavor profile. Have several commision-made briars and applewoods too. Cobs and RDP are my favorites... Nordings and Neerups take 2d place in my horse race.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 17:35:47 GMT -5
A lot of good points...I really like English estate pipes, and my Danish estates..... and my Victorian era pipes cannot be found any place other than the estate market, I enjoy smoking them very much. All of my new pipes are also good smokers, be it my most recent Don Warren freehand, Joh's, Savinelli, or cobs. On a sidenote... A n interesting thing I found out by my bearded meerschaum in the pic:I took it to the west coast pipe show, and the Turkish gentleman from the IMP booth, told me that it was most likely an Austrian made pipe of a French zouave soldier...probably 1850 or so as that was when they were a popular subject by meerschaum carvers like Ludwig Hartmann from Vienna.
He lamented the fact that Turkish export restrictions on meerschaum are what they are, he said if the raw material was allowed to be sent out to artisan pipe makers in other countries, really great pieces could be put out and the market would benefit.Awesome. There were Zouave regiments on both sides in the Civil War. Perhaps that’s the way the pipe found its way across the pond?
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Post by slowroll on Dec 14, 2017 18:40:20 GMT -5
trailboss -- great pipes there. How do you like that super churchwarden smoking qualities?
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Post by trailboss on Dec 15, 2017 3:57:54 GMT -5
I have no idea how the pipe got over here, I can only speculate..
As for the smoking quality of the lap pipe, it really smokes flakes really well, it is certainly a more involved process with a compression fit stem... even with a snug fit, one has to keep it seated well to keep a tight seal as you smoke... when doing so though, it gives a long really cool smoke.
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Post by danno44 on Dec 15, 2017 6:24:12 GMT -5
I have a pretty equal mix of what I have acquired in both new and estates after looking at my pipe collection. Those that MUST be new, MM cobs and Meerschaums. Briar are my mix. And although the estates appear to me to smoke better from the first bowl, the quality of the new pipe makes a difference. Example is my PO 321, break in was FAST and smokes just as well as my estates. Same with my RobE and my Basil Medows Bing, both broke in fast and smoked fantastic from the get go and only are improving. My mid level to high end estates, birth year Dunhill (1966), several made in mid 60’s deLuxe Milano’s (4 digit model numbers) are all excellent. I still have a pre WWII fishtail logo family era 8 dot Sasieni that I have yet to smoke but will when the time is right. I would love to get an older Barling and a GBD. I know a source to the GBD NOS, and planning a trip hopefully this weekend. When I started smoking a pipe almost 3 years ago, I bought many new pipes that I have since sold. They were lower end pipes and although they smoked just fine, I found I prefer a pipe with nice ascetics. Be it the grain, stem work, fit and finish etc. I learned when started, the shapes I enjoy and simply upgraded from low end to upper mid level to high end (for me my high end topped at $420 for the PO 321, which isn’t a lot to some, and way more to others). Do the higher end pipes be it new or used smoke better to justify the higher cost? To me yes. All the estates, Dunhill, Sasieni, deLuxe Milano’s etc, I bought at very good prices, well below what others in same category and condition have sold for on the bay and far less than the PO. That’s a lot of rambling to what should be an easy answer, but like many things, especially in the life of a pipe smoker, well from my perspective, a more complicated answer.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2017 21:32:50 GMT -5
What's a PO 321?
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Post by sablebrush52 on Dec 15, 2017 21:48:39 GMT -5
Dunhill shape code for a 1/4 bent bulldog
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 15, 2017 21:51:26 GMT -5
Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 23:59:34 GMT -5
I think Danno is referring to his Savinelli #321 (downscaled #320 Author) Punto Oro.
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Post by Ronv69 on Dec 16, 2017 1:42:32 GMT -5
Ok, well I figured it was some kind of pipe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 1:51:14 GMT -5
I'll let you know soon. Other than two cobs, I just bought my first new pipes. A couple of Peterson Xmas 2016s, and am about to buy a couple of Stanwells from the P&C sale. All my other pipes were well broken in by my dad. Since there are about 12 of them (almost all Comoy's) I've managed to avoid PAD. Until now, I guess.
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Post by zambini on Dec 16, 2017 2:04:12 GMT -5
I inherited a bunch of pipes that one of my great uncles acquired new during the 60s-90s and mostly use those. I've gotten a few new pipes since 2001 but have misplaced most of them over the years. In terms of smokability, I think it comes down to the pipe and not the age per se. I have a new Big Ben which is pretty rubbish and a couple of 70s The Pipe that leave me cold as well.
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Post by danno44 on Dec 16, 2017 7:12:50 GMT -5
Sorry for late reply. Savinelli Punto Oro A “mini me” of a 320.
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