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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 12:23:05 GMT -5
I have a half-baked theory: that people who like McClelland blends aren't too crazy about C&D blends, and vice versa. Kind of like a Pepsi/Coke thing - though I do think their blending styles and the tobaccos they use are very different. Their Orientals seem nothing alike, and it seems their VAs at least come from different sources.
What say you?
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Post by Darin on Dec 20, 2017 12:31:44 GMT -5
McC's for Virginia and C&D for Burley
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 13:12:03 GMT -5
McC' 2015 and C&D OJK. Then again, I enjoy Butera Matured Ribbon, Diet Dr.Pepper, and Diet Coke too  |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Dec 20, 2017 13:48:04 GMT -5
Frog Morton is a favourite, but I like both.
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Post by peteguy on Dec 20, 2017 13:54:26 GMT -5
McClellnad only here - C&D can grow mold.  |
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Post by zambini on Dec 20, 2017 14:47:13 GMT -5
I've yet to try a blend from either house that I'd buy again so I'm going with neither one for now. I've got a tin of Super Balkan yet to open so things might change.
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Post by TwelveAMnTX on Dec 20, 2017 16:09:38 GMT -5
I don't care for Pepsi one bit. I'll drink it if it's all there is to drink, but I'd never drink a rum & Pepsi or Crown & Pepsi.
I've only had a couple samples from C&D, but I liked what I've tried so far.
I've tried several McC blends & enjoyed them enough to put a some in the cellar.
Since I haven't tried enough C&D blends to like them equally & can't say McC all the way, I'll have to refrain from voting.
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Post by danno44 on Dec 20, 2017 16:14:10 GMT -5
I have lbs of baccy from both in cellar....I’m complicated....
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Post by sablebrush52 on Dec 20, 2017 16:27:12 GMT -5
There are some C&D blends that I like, but nothing that I like as well as McClellands for Virginia. And I like a lot of other blenders as much, like HU, Rattray's, etc. Right now I've been enjoying McClelland's 40th Anniversary blend and it's mo' better satisfying to me than the C&D Carolina Red small batch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:21:22 GMT -5
I have a half-baked theory: that people who like McClelland blends aren't too crazy about C&D blends, and vice versa. Kind of like a Pepsi/Coke thing - though I do think their blending styles and the tobaccos they use are very different. Their Orientals seem nothing alike, and it seems their VAs at least come from different sources. What say you? More like a ketchup/chutney sauce thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:25:57 GMT -5
I have about three pounds of autumn evening, even though the flavor doesn't Rock the Casbah. The flavor is there in abundance, so it is still very enjoyable.
McC, the only ones besides the FM's are the Best of Shows, but they need aging, unless you love vinegar and catsup. Accepting that, there is no way to buy the ones I like in bulk.
I do much better with some codgers, Sutliff, and Russ's blends.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:34:45 GMT -5
Most C&Ds I've experienced have a little bit of an edge on them which is fine if that's your thing. I've cellared Exhausted Rooster and Kajun Kake for when I'm in that mood but McClelland and others far exceed C&D in the cellar.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 17:56:55 GMT -5
@10furlongs , I agree about that "edge" to C&D blends.
Should have clarified - I didn't mean "exclusively" by "all the way." There are plenty of other blenders I like as much or more than McClelland (Boswell, Germain, Samuel Gawith, etc.) - so I just mean between these two.
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Post by Darin on Dec 21, 2017 14:31:04 GMT -5
It mellows with time ... Big N' Burley or OJK with a few years in a jar is really different than the fresh batch.
This one blew my socks off ... one of the best aged tins I've ever popped from C&D.
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Post by slowroll on Dec 21, 2017 17:12:30 GMT -5
I like C&D lat blends best, and McC orientals best. Unfortunately, its unknown when they'll have more grand orientals available, the small farms are selling out or tired of the work it seems. Damn.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 19:00:55 GMT -5
I like C&D lat blends best, and McC orientals best. Unfortunately, its unknown when they'll have more grand orientals available, the small farms are selling out or tired of the work it seems. Damn. All are widely available except for Yenije Highlander. It has Syrian Latakia so sold out along with rest of McC's Syrian blends. www.smokingpipes.com/tobacco/by-maker/mcclelland/index.cfm?tag=154 |
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Post by haebar on Dec 21, 2017 19:06:05 GMT -5
I am partial to McClelland's Virginia blends like Christmas Cheer, but I also like the C&D Cellar Series. I think both companies have excellent products which shine out to particular tastes. C&D excels in burley based blends, as others have said, and McClelland excels with Virginia based blends.
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Post by scrooge on Dec 21, 2017 19:10:47 GMT -5
C&D
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Post by johnlawitzke on Dec 22, 2017 12:19:36 GMT -5
I am a die hard McC fan boy. I used to not like C&D. However, that changed a couple years ago when I became friends with a couple Laudisi sales reps and Jeremy Reeves. They have helped to guide me through the labyrinth of C&D blends. As a result, I have found several C&D blends which are now on my favorites list and are well represented in my cellar.
One of the very key things that I have learned now from experience is that C&D ships their blends too young. McC pays more attention to aging their blends before shipping them. Before last year's FDA inspired runs on tobacco, McC would try to warehouse their Matured Virginia line for two years after tinning before shipping it out. With C&D, it’s common to receive a tin which was produced only a month or two prior. IMHO, too many people are smoking these C&D tins too young and end up with an unfavorable opinion of C&D. I have lost count of the number of C&D blends that I didn't like at at 3, 6, and 9 months of age but then at about the one year mark, the blend suddenly sang to me. I’m not just talking Va blends here. I have found the same with their mild and medium English blends. Even Pegasus needs at least 6 months of age to let some of the Burley harshness smooth out some.
I am still a die hard McC fan, but I have become a diehard C&D fan now as well.
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Post by lestrout on Dec 22, 2017 12:45:55 GMT -5
Yo john
That observation about C&Ds age, or lack thereof, is very astute. The same can be said of Pease's magnificent blends. Maybe it's because people buy the C&Ds/GLPs right off, so the tins can't age gracefully on the retailer shelves. The same could be said, I suppose, of Drucquer's, Hermits and Two Friends. With the latter two, the tins don't seem to swoop so quickly through the retailer inventories, so the age issue has been somewhat moot. With the Drucquer's, the five blends I've puffed so far have been young, but they have all been grand. Now to pop open my Levant Mixture.
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Post by JimInks on Dec 22, 2017 12:55:53 GMT -5
I am a die hard McC fan boy. I used to not like C&D. However, that changed a couple years ago when I became friends with a couple Laudisi sales reps and Jeremy Reeves. They have helped to guide me through the labyrinth of C&D blends. As a result, I have found several C&D blends which are now on my favorites list and are well represented in my cellar. One of the very key things that I have learned now from experience is that C&D ships their blends too young. McC pays more attention to aging their blends before shipping them. Before last year's FDA inspired runs on tobacco, McC would try to warehouse their Matured Virginia line for two years after tinning before shipping it out. With C&D, it’s common to receive a tin which was produced only a month or two prior. IMHO, too many people are smoking these C&D tins too young and end up with an unfavorable opinion of C&D. I have lost count of the number of C&D blends that I didn't like at at 3, 6, and 9 months of age but then at about the one year mark, the blend suddenly sang to me. I’m not just talking Va blends here. I have found the same with their mild and medium English blends. Even Pegasus needs at least 6 months of age to let some of the Burley harshness smooth out some. I am still a die hard McC fan, but I have become a diehard C&D fan now as well. I had noticed the youth of C&D tobaccos the first time I tried them back in 2001. That has been a consistent rule of production for them which often extends to the Pease line. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2017 13:22:02 GMT -5
The aging issue explains a lot. I've really tried to like C&D blends that sound right up my alley - like Oriental Silk, Star of the East, Red Odessa etc. But they have all seemed harsh to me, and the orientals more cigarette-like than incense and wood. I have a couple in jars I haven't touched in over a year, so it may be time to revisit them soon.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Dec 22, 2017 14:35:34 GMT -5
The aging issue explains a lot. I've really tried to like C&D blends that sound right up my alley - like Oriental Silk, Star of the East, Red Odessa etc. But they have all seemed harsh to me, and the orientals more cigarette-like than incense and wood. I have a couple in jars I haven't touched in over a year, so it may be time to revisit them soon. That cigarette taste of Orientals or papery taste of Virginias is a sign to me that more age is needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 14:01:33 GMT -5
What's interesting about this poll is that there are a so many more who voted "all the way" for McClelland than for C&D. And on the other hand, C&D smokers are more open to both brands.  |
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Post by trailboss on Dec 24, 2017 15:55:02 GMT -5
I am a die hard McC fan boy. I used to not like C&D. However, that changed a couple years ago when I became friends with a couple Laudisi sales reps and Jeremy Reeves. They have helped to guide me through the labyrinth of C&D blends. As a result, I have found several C&D blends which are now on my favorites list and are well represented in my cellar. One of the very key things that I have learned now from experience is that C&D ships their blends too young. McC pays more attention to aging their blends before shipping them. Before last year's FDA inspired runs on tobacco, McC would try to warehouse their Matured Virginia line for two years after tinning before shipping it out. With C&D, it’s common to receive a tin which was produced only a month or two prior. IMHO, too many people are smoking these C&D tins too young and end up with an unfavorable opinion of C&D. I have lost count of the number of C&D blends that I didn't like at at 3, 6, and 9 months of age but then at about the one year mark, the blend suddenly sang to me. I’m not just talking Va blends here. I have found the same with their mild and medium English blends. Even Pegasus needs at least 6 months of age to let some of the Burley harshness smooth out some. I am still a die hard McC fan, but I have become a diehard C&D fan now as well. Thank you, that makes a lot of sense. |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jan 6, 2018 11:59:00 GMT -5
I have a few McC blends I like, but I seem to like more C&D blends. The ketchup smell does put me off a tiny bit. I do really like McC Cherry Flake but can only find it at WV Smokeshop.
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