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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 8, 2018 19:30:40 GMT -5
  In the morning before my morning coffee and smoke, Mr Kohler saves me a seat in my safe space. Believe me no one wants to envade it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2018 19:56:52 GMT -5
This is obviously not my forum, but I do know that political discussions are not allowed - and I am grateful for that. Dino, you're rambling and saying things totally irrelevant to the argument anyway. I don't recall anyone being "offended" by what you were writing - just trying to correct you with facts. This has nothing to do with safe spaces and all that other crap, which is all dying off anyway. My point was - you know politics are not allowed, but nevertheless you (and Cajun) just cannot resist getting in a political dig once in a while. And it always causes some kind of disagreement or bad feelings. You both also know that not everyone here shares your views. So I'm just saying, why not just give it rest altogether? It's not about safe spaces or despotism - it's about having a forum to get away from all the political nonsense in the world. As for the Russian investigation, perhaps you know more about the incomplete (Republican) special counsel's investigation than anybody else, just as you know more than the climatologists. But we shall see.... I prefer to live by the dictum, "know that you don't know." jpberg www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/mar/31/china-beijing-air-pollution-smog-business-crackdown-fines-spot-checksYou can dismiss it if you want because the Guardian is a progressive paper, and therefore must be fake news. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jan 8, 2018 20:02:37 GMT -5
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Post by jpberg on Jan 8, 2018 20:20:58 GMT -5
This is obviously not my forum, but I do know that political discussions are not allowed - and I am grateful for that. Dino, you're rambling and saying things totally irrelevant to the argument anyway. I don't recall anyone being "offended" by what you were writing - just trying to correct you with facts. This has nothing to do with safe spaces and all that other crap, which is all dying off anyway. My point was - you know politics are not allowed, but nevertheless you (and Cajun) just cannot resist getting in a political dig once in a while. And it always causes some kind of disagreement or bad feelings. You both also know that not everyone here shares your views. So I'm just saying, why not just give it rest altogether? It's not about safe spaces or despotism - it's about having a forum to get away from all the political nonsense in the world. As for the Russian investigation, perhaps you know more about the incomplete (Republican) special counsel's investigation than anybody else, just as you know more than the climatologists. But we shall see.... I prefer to live by the dictum, "know that you don't know." jpberg www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2017/mar/31/china-beijing-air-pollution-smog-business-crackdown-fines-spot-checksYou can dismiss it if you want because the Guardian is a progressive paper, and therefore must be fake news. For Gods sake. I can’t compete with “environmental academics “. I go there for business. Business that is energy intensive. I willl however, defer to the Guardian in the name of forum peace. I should have refrained from entering the scrum. My mistake. |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 9, 2018 9:50:17 GMT -5
What an amusing thread. First of all chico, I accused no one here of being political. I simply called em out for inferring that that was the intent of my post. I have covered that to sufficient detail here, yet you persist in enlightening us with YOUR perception of MY motives.... Give it a rest already, your political bias is blatant here. As to the smog being reduced in Beijing as a result of their participation in the Paris Climate Agreement?  ? That's the same bassackwards double talk used by the MMGW religious zealots that call any perceptible change in day to day weather now "Climate Change", being as how GLOBAL WARMING seems to not be playing out. The reduction in pollution, which I am for by the way, is but a fortunate happenstance, or unintended consequence of the efforts to reduce co2 emissions. Polution = Bad CO2 = barely perceptible trace gas that is a normal biological byproduct of virtually every living mammal and reptile inhabiting the earth. A trace gas that by the way is aiding in the Greening of the planet. The reason that China and many others were so quick to jump on the Paris Climate Bandwagon was because the United States of America was, once a gain (always) footing a disproportionately larger amount of the bill than any other participating country. So, ind the end here bud, you can't eat your cake and have it too. I for one will not acquiesce to yours or anyone else here's... "That's wrong thinking", "That's dangerous talk", "The Science is Settled, therefore you're wrong and your positions MUST BE POLITICAL" bullsh!t ! Go back to my original post and take of yer fricken "offended Class glasses" and read it literally! (Hey, that's a helluva an idea) I said.... Not at all surprising that they would try to bury that report considering all off the hype, fear and outright lying they've been peddling with their "CO2 is a Toxic Pollutant" and sheer lunacy in regards to runaway Man Made Global Warming crap.
The UN is rife with corruption and hidden agendas. The original lead chair of the IPCC was a railroad engineer from India. Not a climatologist! (yet I get called out for not being one!?!?!?)
So, landing this plane chico... Your argument / allegations are specious as well, despite your eloquence and valiant effort of trying to "nobly" point out that I was in violation of the "No Politics" policy here.
Your incessant reference to other threads and posts of mine, do little more than prove on of my previous statements in this thread. You too are one of the "Offended Class", pouring over everything posted here on TBP, by me or any other person that your ilk have "Deemed" unenlightened, jumping at the chance to impose your personal (political) paradigms on we, the unwashed... All wrapped up in the guise of "Stopping others from posting Politics". In other words... Stop being disingenuous!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 13:32:06 GMT -5
Dino, WTF are you talking about? I'll say it again - I am not "offended" and have never been offended by what you say. You seem to think that disagreeing with you and trying to defuse the situation means I am offended, that I need to scuttle off to my safe space and chant kumbaya to myself. You seem to have completely bought into the right-wing narrative that those with progressive political ideas are all a bunch of scared little snowflakes. I actually don't care what you believe - I just don't want to hear about it at this forum. That's not what we're here for. I completely admit that I have a political bias - what human doesn't? But I also trust the opinions of the world's scientific community more than my own amateurish speculations. We all have our own areas of expertise, and we all have to trust the expertise of others. I'm not about to give myself a colonoscopy any more than I'm about to pretend I know more about climate change than the scientists who specialize in it. As for global warming "not playing out" climate.nasa.gov/evidence/ Oh never mind, I forgot, those dumb-arse expert scientists don't know anything. Better to trust the outlets that brought us Pizzagate. But my real point was this: by continually bringing up climate science denial, libertarian extremist philosophies, and dropping other left-baiting comments here and there, you are not exactly contributing to the harmony and brotherhood of this forum. I completely admit my culpability in this, and that I have an itchy-trigger finger when it comes to taking the political bait. I even acknowledge that I'm doing it in this post. But look at this way: what it I were to keep making comments like: "I'm reading Bernie Sanders' autobiography and you should read it too, because he has an excellent philosophy and policy ideas about social and economic equality." "I'm so grateful for the FDA, because without them the big food and drug manufacturers would be filling their products with even more crap than they already do." "I'm sick of all the climate-change deniers trusting Fox News more than the world's climatologists, hoping to reverse scientific fact in the name of fossil fuel profiteering while helping to destroy the planet." Would say those are not political posts? Would you not be tempted to reply, even though you know you are engaging with a political post? They are pretty much no different than some of the stuff you post, only in reverse. I'm not trying to "silence" you because I don't agree with your politics and your understanding of climate science. But you keep instigating these kinds of discussions, and they almost always lead to no good. Yeah, I participate and am also in violation of the no politics policy (as were the other guys) - but as the little kids on the playground say, "but you started it!" I'm more than happy to silence myself when it comes to politics, too, but you're not making it easy. So I think we just need a truce, to agree to disagree, and to follow the damn forum rules. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 9, 2018 13:57:26 GMT -5
You chose to inject your political bias. Nice attempt at a deflection by you, but it doesn't wash. Climate change isn't anything new. The Earth has gone through such cycles. The question isn't, and has never been, whether climate change is "man made" as you put it. The question is whether it is being affected by human activity and the vast preponderance of evidence gathered over the past 50 years is that it has. Florida may not be underwater, yet, but Houston sure was. Nobody has a timetable on when thing happen. The economic argument is a lazy one, It supposes that there is only one way to make a buck, or a lot of bucks. And people with a vested interest in keeping their control on the cash register sure don't want to see any changes. And you can follow the trail of cash funding climate change denial sites. So, let me get this straight Jesse. Disagreeing with over reaching three letter U.S. organizations or 2 letter international organizations is now "Injecting Political Bias" ?? Another nice effort of trying to shout someone down or marginalizing them with shmarmy put downs and PC talking points. In the end my words, being incongruous with your world view, thus bristling your obvious political bias, and therefore you somehow feel it ok to display poor manners and dress someone down here on this forum. Regardless of how you try to spin this Jesse, You're the one that chose to start spewing political/religious ideology here, cast aseursions, and admonish someone for daring to disagree with you and your ilk. Something to remember here Francis.... Just because you're offended, doesn't make you right! Hmmm...the pot calling the kettle black. Let's go back to you original statement: "...and sheer lunacy in regards to runaway Man Made Global Warming crap." The completely unrelated topic that you opened up, and rendered a very impolite opinion on. Why? Not because of your "critical" thinking. There's no analysis here, no proofs, no nothing, just your runaway mouth. "Another nice effort of trying to shout someone down or marginalizing them with shmarmy put downs and PC talking points." More put down from you and another attempt at deflection. "Regardless of how you try to spin this Jesse, You're the one that chose to start spewing political/religious ideology here, cast aseursions, and admonish someone for daring to disagree with you and your ilk." Ooooo! Character assassination hating and labeling by you. How impolite. How uncritical of you. "Disagreeing with over reaching three letter U.S. organizations or 2 letter international organizations is now "Injecting Political Bias" ??" No. Blurting out highly opinionated statements such as "lunacy" and "crap" without offering a factual basis to justify them and then claiming that you are a "critical" thinker" when it's clear that you only accept what you own biased world view has cemented into, is the basis for my comment regarding injecting politics into the thread. You seem to have an issue with taking responsibility and instead mount an increasing acidic assault on those who challenge you while making a pretense of being above the fray. Must be tough to live like that. For those of you who want to look into this without much of the ideological trappings on either side, check out this link: scholar.google.com/scholar?q=scientific+evidence+for+climate+change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmxeyewMvYAhUM42MKHe6ADH0QgQMIRjAAOn the other side, here's a link for climate change denial sites as well as the groups and individuals funding them: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=who+fund+climate+change+denial+sites&btnG=97% of the worldwide scientific community supports the existence of climate change. The US is the ONLY country in the world that has not signed onto the Paris accord. Critical thinking? Don't make me laugh. Well that's it for me on this topic. |
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Post by trailboss on Jan 9, 2018 14:32:41 GMT -5
I know three people that saw the movie within the last couple of days, they said it was phenomenal, and Gary Oldman? Did a great job in that role...I can't wait to see it. I have always wanted a Tommy gun, now they run right around 20k, and that is without feeding the beast...I regret missing the boat when they ran for $500 apiece.  This one with provenance would make 20k seem like chump change.   |
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Post by zambini on Jan 9, 2018 14:43:19 GMT -5
As for the harmful effects of fossil fuels, isn't that why some people commit suicide by locking themselves in a garage with the car running? Spend a few months in Delhi or Beijing and see your lungs feel. Thank you for recognizing that Mexico City has brought down large particle emissions by 30% in the last 10 years. We're no longer the most polluted city on earth by a ways! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:16:38 GMT -5
As for the harmful effects of fossil fuels, isn't that why some people commit suicide by locking themselves in a garage with the car running? Spend a few months in Delhi or Beijing and see your lungs feel. Thank you for recognizing that Mexico City has brought down large particle emissions by 30% in the last 10 years. We're no longer the most polluted city on earth by a ways! It was actually one of the first cities that came to mind, then I googled it. Congratulations! Athens used to be way up there, too, and now doesn't even make the list. Good to see some progress. |
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Post by zambini on Jan 9, 2018 15:30:55 GMT -5
Now we just need Tlaloc to provide a couple of rainy days and we're all set. I don't know if Zeus works all the way out here but in any case I see some people dancing doing some rain dances for the tourists so here's hoping it works. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:46:30 GMT -5
Now we just need Tlaloc to provide a couple of rainy days and we're all set. I don't know if Zeus works all the way out here but in any case I see some people dancing doing some rain dances for the tourists so here's hoping it works. Tell me about it. No snow all winter here in northern NM. Very weird. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 15:52:18 GMT -5
That is truly idiotic. As for secondhand smoke, I can't stand being downwind of a cigarette smoker, and it does make me cough, so I try not to expose nonsmokers to my pipe or cigar smoke. I'm not concerned they're going to get lung cancer, but I like to practice the common human courtesy that I would like to have reciprocated. Do unto others etc. Exactly! I don't inflict my smoke on anyone without their permission. I can't stand cigar or cigarette smoke either, both make me cough. I don't believe the second hand smoke causation because I know people who grew up in intolerably smokey homes with no ill results. My MIL smoked 20 hours a day, She's gone, (of course), but the FIL is 94 and going strong. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 15:58:00 GMT -5
As for the harmful effects of fossil fuels, isn't that why some people commit suicide by locking themselves in a garage with the car running? Spend a few months in Delhi or Beijing and see your lungs feel. Thank you for recognizing that Mexico City has brought down large particle emissions by 30% in the last 10 years. We're no longer the most polluted city on earth by a ways! It's because all of the air-cooled VW Taxis are dying off. |
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Post by Darin on Jan 9, 2018 15:58:10 GMT -5
Genetics plays a huge role in whether or not we acquire certain diseases.
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 16:05:10 GMT -5
I agree that Delhi and Beijing have terrible air quality. Both, however, are ardent supporters of the Paris accord. I guess that's why it's gradually improving. It's improving because people are dying, slowly and expensively. It's cheaper and makes more sense to clean up the air and water than to build a chain of hospitals just for the victims. No one outside of Paris is doing any more than paying lip service to the Paris Accords. I don't think they were a bad idea, but they were very poorly written. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 16:26:29 GMT -5
Ya know brush & lax, Although not surprised, I am disappointed that you two see fit to adopt the same tactics being used on the evening news and across the nations campus'.... The personal slams here are unbecoming. But, hey, why be civil when you can try to Shout someone down when they have opinions or viewpoints that might cause someone cognitive dissonance or conflict with one's personal world view? To answer your question Jesse, University of Maryland, Electrical Engineering Technologies. In this life I choose to be a critical thinker and ask questions boldly. Not one to fall for the "Emperors New Clothes" I have sought to try and get my head around how it the world a trace gas, one that represents only 0.04% (Note, not 4% or even 0.4%, but 4/100ths of 1 percent.) In many circles you're talking about a rounding error. The net effect of the Paris Climate Agreement would have been the loss of Millions of jobs and Trillions of $$ all in an effort to reduce SAT by 1.5 degrees C by the year 2100!?!?!? And that's if it will have any effect at all. There's compelling evidence that rise in atmospheric co2 levels are actually processional to the earths warming and not precessional. In other words, as the sun irradiance increase and the earths temperatures rise, co2 trapped in the permafrost and other areas, is released. In the end, despite MSM, Hollywood, UN IPCC and Al Gores sensational claims, none of the cataclysmic claims have come true about polar bear extinction (actually on the rise in population), the ice caps are not gone, Florida isn't under water etc... Let's not forget about Mann's Hockey stick and the ensuing Climategate. Seems he was fudging his numbers to suit his narrative. In closing, not wanting to hijack this thread entirely, I would invite any sane / civil / mature discussion on these matters, either via PM or on a separate thread. By the way gents, none of the above commentary was political in nature nor was it religious. Just pragmatic observation and logical analytical questions. You chose to inject your political bias. Nice attempt at a deflection by you, but it doesn't wash. Climate change isn't anything new. The Earth has gone through such cycles. The question isn't, and has never been, whether climate change is "man made" as you put it. The question is whether it is being affected by human activity and the vast preponderance of evidence gathered over the past 50 years is that it has. Florida may not be underwater, yet, but Houston sure was. Nobody has a timetable on when thing happen. The economic argument is a lazy one, It supposes that there is only one way to make a buck, or a lot of bucks. And people with a vested interest in keeping their control on the cash register sure don't want to see any changes. And you can follow the trail of cash funding climate change denial sites. Houston was under water because of the real estate developers. The area flooded long before the Texians. Don't drag us into this! |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 9, 2018 17:29:16 GMT -5
So, let me get this straight Jesse. Disagreeing with over reaching three letter U.S. organizations or 2 letter international organizations is now "Injecting Political Bias" ?? Another nice effort of trying to shout someone down or marginalizing them with shmarmy put downs and PC talking points. In the end my words, being incongruous with your world view, thus bristling your obvious political bias, and therefore you somehow feel it ok to display poor manners and dress someone down here on this forum. Regardless of how you try to spin this Jesse, You're the one that chose to start spewing political/religious ideology here, cast aseursions, and admonish someone for daring to disagree with you and your ilk. Something to remember here Francis.... Just because you're offended, doesn't make you right! Hmmm...the pot calling the kettle black. Let's go back to you original statement: "...and sheer lunacy in regards to runaway Man Made Global Warming crap." The completely unrelated topic that you opened up, and rendered a very impolite opinion on. Why? Not because of your "critical" thinking. There's no analysis here, no proofs, no nothing, just your runaway mouth."Another nice effort of trying to shout someone down or marginalizing them with shmarmy put downs and PC talking points." More put down from you and another attempt at deflection."Regardless of how you try to spin this Jesse, You're the one that chose to start spewing political/religious ideology here, cast aseursions, and admonish someone for daring to disagree with you and your ilk." Ooooo! Character assassination hating and labeling by you. How impolite. How uncritical of you."Disagreeing with over reaching three letter U.S. organizations or 2 letter international organizations is now "Injecting Political Bias" ??" No. Blurting out highly opinionated statements such as "lunacy" and "crap" without offering a factual basis to justify them and then claiming that you are a "critical" thinker" when it's clear that you only accept what you own biased world view has cemented into, is the basis for my comment regarding injecting politics into the thread. You seem to have an issue with taking responsibility and instead mount an increasing acidic assault on those who challenge you while making a pretense of being above the fray. Must be tough to live like that. For those of you who want to look into this without much of the ideological trappings on either side, check out this link: scholar.google.com/scholar?q=scientific+evidence+for+climate+change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmxeyewMvYAhUM42MKHe6ADH0QgQMIRjAAOn the other side, here's a link for climate change denial sites as well as the groups and individuals funding them: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=who+fund+climate+change+denial+sites&btnG=97% of the worldwide scientific community supports the existence of climate change. The US is the ONLY country in the world that has not signed onto the Paris accord. Critical thinking? Don't make me laugh. Well that's it for me on this topic. It's like playing ping pong with you on this. Not unlike you slapping someone in the face and then yelling for them to "Stop hitting my hand with your face"!!! Sophomoric to say the least. Thanks for making my point. You, with all of your far reaching wisdom and rationale have decided that the words "Lunacy" & "Crap" are now political!?!?!? Do us all a favor and post a link to EVERY other word in the "Offended Class" dictionary that are now politically unsavory, that we might spare your delicate sensibilities. Oh, here we go, I found some.... newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/war-on-words-nyc-dept-of-education-wants-50-forbidden-words-removed-from-standardized-tests/myrightamerica.com/liberals-banned-2-words/www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-04/british-university-bans-all-politically-incorrect-words-heres-listPlease do let us know if I missed any. Comparing the shrill voiced lunacy of the "Second Hand Smoke" BS is very much in keeping with the premise here Jesse. OVERREACH and LUNACY on the part of Bureaucracies, all Bureaucracies, both here and in other nations. Particularly the members of the U.N., that would impose Their Will upon those of us that are Americans. Sovereign Citizens of a Sovereign Nation. The fact that you are in lockstep with one and against the other because of your own personal interests is duplicitous. I love how I call you out for trying to shout me down and then accuse me of hateful rhetoric, when it is in fact spot on. Definitely showing your true colors here Jesse! As for the 97% BS.... www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#b36302e3f9ffAs for calling me & or others out for "Questioning" the "SCIENCE" ?? www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html1079 emails trying to cover up the fact that Manns research was a LIE! debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=371Finally folks, I am not against cleaning up the air, soil, water and food of our planet. It is without question that there are indeed harmful emissions spewing out of factories, power plants and tailpipes across the entire world. But... CO2 is not a pollutant! Almost all of the other crap eminating from the above mentioned "exhaust pipes", yeah, that stuff is bad and we should continue to clean up our act. But blindly accepting the Lies of Mann, the IPCC and many others, buying a Prius, feeling good about doing our part to save the world? That's nothing short of Naive. |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 18:06:08 GMT -5
Hmmm...the pot calling the kettle black. Let's go back to you original statement: "...and sheer lunacy in regards to runaway Man Made Global Warming crap." The completely unrelated topic that you opened up, and rendered a very impolite opinion on. Why? Not because of your "critical" thinking. There's no analysis here, no proofs, no nothing, just your runaway mouth."Another nice effort of trying to shout someone down or marginalizing them with shmarmy put downs and PC talking points." More put down from you and another attempt at deflection."Regardless of how you try to spin this Jesse, You're the one that chose to start spewing political/religious ideology here, cast aseursions, and admonish someone for daring to disagree with you and your ilk." Ooooo! Character assassination hating and labeling by you. How impolite. How uncritical of you."Disagreeing with over reaching three letter U.S. organizations or 2 letter international organizations is now "Injecting Political Bias" ??" No. Blurting out highly opinionated statements such as "lunacy" and "crap" without offering a factual basis to justify them and then claiming that you are a "critical" thinker" when it's clear that you only accept what you own biased world view has cemented into, is the basis for my comment regarding injecting politics into the thread. You seem to have an issue with taking responsibility and instead mount an increasing acidic assault on those who challenge you while making a pretense of being above the fray. Must be tough to live like that. For those of you who want to look into this without much of the ideological trappings on either side, check out this link: scholar.google.com/scholar?q=scientific+evidence+for+climate+change&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjmxeyewMvYAhUM42MKHe6ADH0QgQMIRjAAOn the other side, here's a link for climate change denial sites as well as the groups and individuals funding them: scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&as_vis=1&q=who+fund+climate+change+denial+sites&btnG=97% of the worldwide scientific community supports the existence of climate change. The US is the ONLY country in the world that has not signed onto the Paris accord. Critical thinking? Don't make me laugh. Well that's it for me on this topic. It's like playing ping pong with you on this. Not unlike you slapping someone in the face and then yelling for them to "Stop hitting my hand with your face"!!! Sophomoric to say the least. Thanks for making my point. You, with all of your far reaching wisdom and rationale have decided that the words "Lunacy" & "Crap" are now political!?!?!? Do us all a favor and post a link to EVERY other word in the "Offended Class" dictionary that are now politically unsavory, that we might spare your delicate sensibilities. Oh, here we go, I found some.... newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/03/26/war-on-words-nyc-dept-of-education-wants-50-forbidden-words-removed-from-standardized-tests/myrightamerica.com/liberals-banned-2-words/www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-03-04/british-university-bans-all-politically-incorrect-words-heres-listPlease do let us know if I missed any. Comparing the shrill voiced lunacy of the "Second Hand Smoke" BS is very much in keeping with the premise here Jesse. OVERREACH and LUNACY on the part of Bureaucracies, all Bureaucracies, both here and in other nations. Particularly the members of the U.N., that would impose Their Will upon those of us that are Americans. Sovereign Citizens of a Sovereign Nation. The fact that you are in lockstep with one and against the other because of your own personal interests is duplicitous. I love how I call you out for trying to shout me down and then accuse me of hateful rhetoric, when it is in fact spot on. Definitely showing your true colors here Jesse! As for the 97% BS.... www.forbes.com/sites/alexepstein/2015/01/06/97-of-climate-scientists-agree-is-100-wrong/#b36302e3f9ffAs for calling me & or others out for "Questioning" the "SCIENCE" ?? www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6679082/Climate-change-this-is-the-worst-scientific-scandal-of-our-generation.html1079 emails trying to cover up the fact that Manns research was a LIE! debatewise.org/debates/455-co2-does-not-cause-global-warming/plantsneedco2.org/default.aspx?menuitemid=371Finally folks, I am not against cleaning up the air, soil, water and food of our planet. It is without question that there are indeed harmful emissions spewing out of factories, power plants and tailpipes across the entire world. But... CO2 is not a pollutant! Almost all of the other crap eminating from the above mentioned "exhaust pipes", yeah, that stuff is bad and we should continue to clean up our act. But blindly accepting the Lies of Mann, the IPCC and many others, buying a Prius, feeling good about doing our part to save the world? That's nothing short of Naive. Dang, dude, can we just chill out? The whole rest of the internet is available for this stuff. Nobody listens anymore anyway. That was pretty stupid for the studio to put an anti-smoking notice on the Churchill movie, wasn't it? 😁 |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 19:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 19:34:41 GMT -5
You too! Just stop it now and go to your room. Must.... resist... replying to... political.... posts.... Must resist..... Try taking a nap instead of watching the news. |
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Post by simnettpratt on Jan 9, 2018 20:49:56 GMT -5
Well lads, I think we self-policed ourselves there, agreed to disagree, and that's why we don't talk politics in this room. When we talk politics, we fight and get all het up. Plenty of places on the interwebs for that; here's kind of a break from it. I personally am on one side of the politics just discussed, but would enjoy spending time with the folks on the other side, as long as we were smoking and drinking, and maybe playing shuffleboard or foosball or something  |
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Post by Ronv69 on Jan 9, 2018 20:53:23 GMT -5
Right! I already have half of the family not speaking to me.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jan 11, 2018 21:04:25 GMT -5
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Post by JimInks on Jan 11, 2018 21:07:20 GMT -5
I watched Darkest Hour this afternoon, and smoking was cut to a minimum even though the events take place in 1940. There was a pipe in an ashtray at a table, but there wasn't one smoked, and mostly, only Gary Oldman as "Winston Churchill" was smoking. Two people smoked a cigarette.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 21:59:37 GMT -5
I watched Darkest Hour this afternoon, and smoking was cut to a minimum even though the events take place in 1940. There was a pipe in an ashtray at a table, but there wasn't one smoked, and mostly, only Gary Oldman as "Winston Churchill" was smoking. Two people smoked a cigarette. That's what I suspected, viewing the promo clips. Preposterous actually, as photos of the war rooms of that time show the majority using some form of tobacco. A good thing too if you factor in the elevation in brain stimulus that tobacco provides. |
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Post by highstump on Jan 14, 2018 12:34:50 GMT -5
Let's not forget about Mann's Hockey stick and the ensuing Climategate. Seems he was fudging his numbers to suit his narrative. In closing, not wanting to hijack this thread entirely, I would invite any sane / civil / mature discussion on these matters, either via PM or on a separate thread. As with so many things simply follow the money. As a rule, those paying the bills for the study tend to get the results they are paying for. |
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In the morning before my morning coffee and smoke, Mr Kohler saves me a seat in my safe space. Believe me no one wants to envade it.
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