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Post by zambini on Jan 27, 2018 21:00:07 GMT -5
I still don't understand how they can interfere with a South Carolina's business practice, when no official law regarding interstate tax collection has been passed. Please correct me if I'm misunderstanding your question, at the core of the Supreme Court case is the question 'when a sale occures on-line, via mail-order, or on the phone where did the transaction take place'? This is pertinent for tax reasons not only because different states can have different tax rates and conditions for sales (e.g. age or quantity restrictions) but because states only collect when the sale takes place within its borders (i.e. South Carolina does not collect sales tax on SP products purchased out of state). In 1992 the Supreme Court found that for tax purposes, whilst sales occur where the buyer takes hold of the product, states were unable to force companies without a physical presence in the state to withhold, self report, and pay taxes to the state. Companies normally withhold taxes on behalf of states, self report them, and pay them. Without any leverage for state's to punish companies without a physical presence in their state, state's passed laws forcing consumers to withold, declare, and pay taxes on goods bought via mail-order or on-line. State's quickly figured out that consumers were not likely to declare and pay on their own and without companies providing data on purchases and purchasers there was no effective way for the state to collect these taxes. States have now gone further still by threatening to seize goods that enter the state through the mail claiming that prior to customers claiming them, that they are the out of state companies' property (which can always be seized for failure to pay back taxes accumulated from prior sales that went undeclared). This has the potential to mess up mail services and interstate commerce bringing it once again to the attention of the Supreme Court. The issue before the Court has to do with whether existing law allows states (e.g. South Dakota) to force out of state companies to withhold, self report, and pay sales tax on purchases made from the state (e.g. South Dakota) given that shipped goods are in fact an out of state company's property. For tobacco users, the fear is that the Supreme Court could find that existing law grants states the right not just to demand that sales tax be whithheld, self reported, and paid but to also include all duties including those placed on tobacco products! Some companies like Amazon have been independently complying with states' demands on sales taxes for a couple of years now due not just to fears that their shipped goods could be seized but that the Supreme Court may decide that back taxes could be owed going back several years. In short the Colorado Revenue Office isn't interfering with South Carolina's business practices, it's claiming that Smoking Pipes is conducting business within Colorado and is failing to withhold, report, and pay taxes on its in state business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 21:09:37 GMT -5
I read an article last year that mentioned that a tiny fraction of Colorado tax payers actually payed the tax. Like less than one percent of taxpayers. One guy that payed went through a nightmare of fines and jumping through hoops for the state because he didn't do something to their standards. He was apparently one of several taxpayers to get punished despite complying.
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Post by beardedmi on Jan 27, 2018 21:09:37 GMT -5
Amazon has a presence in most states and when something purchased there originates in the state of the purchaser they collect sales taxes. Most sites only collect sales tax in the states where they have any kind of presence, warehouse etc. The rub comes down to whether the state has the right to enforce state tax code on an entity outside of the state. Because it could lead to breaking down interstate commerce by imposing tariffs on other states goods at the extreme end of the thought exercise.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 21:10:28 GMT -5
I still say they are overreaching without a Federal mandate. They should have to send their bean counters to South Carolina on their dime and not expect SP to be their proxy (and unpaid) tax collectors.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 21:35:23 GMT -5
I read an article last year that mentioned that a tiny fraction of Colorado tax payers actually payed the tax. Like less than one percent of taxpayers. One guy that payed went through a nightmare of fines and jumping through hoops for the state because he didn't do something to their standards. He was apparently one of several taxpayers to get punished despite complying. But if the one who paid was the one who got into trouble, yet they know that 99% haven't paid, why has Colorado not gone after them? On what records or informaton are they basing that deliquency percentage?. And were this guys buying tobacco or any and all out-of-state internet purchases?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 22:03:45 GMT -5
I believe they don't have the resouces to audit and fine non complience, but check the people that file, who get on their radar and get noticed and check them for accuracy. At least several people claimed that the case was got they dinged last year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 23:47:17 GMT -5
I believe they don't have the resouces to audit and fine non complience, but check the people that file, who get on their radar and get noticed and check them for accuracy. At least several people claimed that the case was got they dinged last year. Wow, it seems Colorado does mean business, and it will get worse. Imagine, with all the people in Colorado who surely do all manner of purchases online, now including groceries, it will be a bloodbath once the state tax collectors ramp up their auditing ability.
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Post by zambini on Jan 28, 2018 0:05:16 GMT -5
I believe they don't have the resouces to audit and fine non complience, but check the people that file, who get on their radar and get noticed and check them for accuracy. At least several people claimed that the case was got they dinged last year. Wow, it seems Colorado does mean business, and it will get worse. Imagine, with all the people in Colorado who surely do all manner of purchases online, now including groceries, it will be a bloodbath once the state tax collectors ramp up their auditing ability. The argument, beyond more tax revenue, is that it'll equal the playing field between on-line retailers and regular stores. Maybe it'll revitalize local tobaconists nationwide.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Jan 28, 2018 1:04:38 GMT -5
Recently while talking with a friend I actually predicted something like this. The market has changed. Sears is down for the count and even Walmart is taking on water because of online business. It's just the new market. This kind of thing is not only inevitable, but maybe even late in the coming. Doesn't mean I like it, but I expect it.
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