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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 20:33:07 GMT -5
Colorado: SP is now required to give the state: your Name, Customer Billing Address, Customer Shipping Address and Total $ amount of Colorado purchasers during the previous year. Washington State: SP required to inform WA residents of tax use and filing of tax return, but so far, the Colorado edict has not been applied. PS: hope don and Zach read this.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jan 24, 2018 22:03:38 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me. I expect more states to make this sort of demand in order to raise income. Which is why I've always reported my expenditures and paid the tax on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 22:12:58 GMT -5
This doesn't surprise me. I expect more states to make this sort of demand in order to raise income. Which is why I've always reported my expenditures and paid the tax on it. that concluding sentence bears careful reading.
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Post by zambini on Jan 24, 2018 23:39:54 GMT -5
Which is why I've always reported my expenditures and paid the tax on it. Show-off! There's a case in the Supreme Court docket this term that will likely make state sales tax mandatory on out of state internet sales. I can't imagine anyone outside of Thomas and Alito holding up the current state of things.
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Post by zambini on Jan 24, 2018 23:45:19 GMT -5
Colorado: SP is now required to give the state: your Name, Customer Billing Address, Customer Shipping Address and Total $ amount of Colorado purchasers during the previous year. Washington State: SP required to inform WA residents of tax use and filing of tax return, but so far, the Colorado edict has not been applied. PS: hope don and Zach read this. That Colorado edict is too much. If you ship out of state what do they care? I was reading that Colorado hasn't made as much money as they thought they would from marijuana taxes. Apparently a lot of people want to try it but aren't planning on being habitual users. The problem for the state is that they based budget projections on projected marijuana sales and may face a shortfall as a result!
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Post by trailboss on Jan 24, 2018 23:59:57 GMT -5
Yeah... this is a wonderful development, because the government has serious funding shortfalls, it certainly isn’t a spending problem.🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:18:37 GMT -5
State of Misery tried to do this maybe fifteen years ago. I filled the form out once and never filed it. Neither did anyone in Mo. It's a lost cause. Thing is, you don't know that the company isn't figuring sales tax in their totals. Forgot the formula, but most of the Asian shops I know did the same thing. People didn't think they were paying taxes at Joey Thai's, but they were being paid. As for my responsibility. Some sites charge now. Some don't do it directly. I know nothing
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Post by zambini on Jan 25, 2018 0:23:47 GMT -5
Yeah... this is a wonderful development, because the government has serious funding shortfalls, it certainly isn’t a spending problem.🙄 Hehe. Spending sure sounds like the fun part of the job.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 25, 2018 0:32:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s fun spending other people’s money until you run out of money to spend.
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Post by zambini on Jan 25, 2018 0:33:15 GMT -5
State of Misery tried to do this maybe fifteen years ago. I filled the form out once and never filed it. Neither did anyone in Mo. It's a lost cause. Thing is, you don't know that the company isn't figuring sales tax in their totals. Forgot the formula, but most of the Asian shops I know did the same thing. People didn't think they were paying taxes at Joey Thai's, but they were being paid. As for my responsibility. Some sites charge now. Some don't do it directly. I know nothing Do you think maybe you can pay C.O.D. or via money order and they leave the sale off the books for tax purposes? They could always say that the item was 'lost' or spoiled...not that I'm recommending being less than honest on your taxes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:43:06 GMT -5
State of Misery tried to do this maybe fifteen years ago. I filled the form out once and never filed it. Neither did anyone in Mo. It's a lost cause. Thing is, you don't know that the company isn't figuring sales tax in their totals. Forgot the formula, but most of the Asian shops I know did the same thing. People didn't think they were paying taxes at Joey Thai's, but they were being paid. As for my responsibility. Some sites charge now. Some don't do it directly. I know nothing Do you think maybe you can pay C.O.D. or via money order and they leave the sale off the books for tax purposes? They could always say that the item was 'lost' or spoiled...not that I'm recommending being less than honest on your taxes. I do a really good job of playing stupid. This might require some thought. My mother told me (she did bookkeeping as well as other things) that if the IRS wants to they will find every penny you spend, cash or not. She watched them destroy one of her employers over the course of audits. But the sales tax is state. I think they are just throwing their mighty fist in the air and know eventually we'll all pay tax online. I was surprised when Amazon started charging me, but I have few places that weren't by the time AMZ started so I am used to sticker shock and adjust my expenditures if needed. Right now I am being overcharged sales tax by a food delivery service. I file that in my "Just In Case" drawer if I ever need it.
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Post by zambini on Jan 25, 2018 0:43:17 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s fun spending other people’s money until you run out of money to spend. The thing with Colorado is how ridiculously optomistic they were in relation to marijuana taxes. They cut money to education and other programs from the central budget figuring that the special fund the marijuana tax would pay into (and which can only be spent on things like education) would make up the shortfall. Why would the state legislature even risk it considering they sold federal regulators on marijuana taxes as an experiment? Still better than Kansas where education funding has been so low that students have successfully sued the state for yipping them of a quality education!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:51:13 GMT -5
Yeah, it’s fun spending other people’s money until you run out of money to spend. The thing with Colorado is how ridiculously optomistic they were in relation to marijuana taxes. They cut money to education and other programs from the central budget figuring that the special fund the marijuana tax would pay into (and which can only be spent on things like education) would make up the shortfall. Why would the state legislature even risk it considering they sold federal regulators on marijuana taxes as an experiment? Still better than Kansas where education funding has been so low that students have successfully sued the state for yipping them of a quality education! That was the BS that most states used when they started lotteries. Then they said casinos would benefit schools. Money always found its way elsewhere. I remember blue laws where if you went into a small food store on Sunday you couldn't buy the fifteen cent kite because it was a toy, not a necessity. Blue law repeal was supposed to help in state sales and revenue. Then it was liquor on Sunday. I was for all that. I worked evenings and my only time to enjoy going out with the kids was Sundays. That said, then the Black Friday mobs started at Midnight after Thanksgiving Dinner. I don't recall it being called Black Friday when I was a kid. Then they opened the stores at 6am on BF. Now they are open on Thanksgiving. The one day that has nothing to do with with anything so man thought he would thank The Almighty. To me, it's the purest holiday... or was. Now it has become as much of a madhouse as people waiting two days in diapers for the next Apple update. I would give anything to return to Blue Laws, just for the sake of slowing society down. In fact, that's what smoking a pipe does for me. It slows things down
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Post by zambini on Jan 25, 2018 1:04:58 GMT -5
@cosmicbobo Here they came up with El Gran Fin as a sort of Black Friday about 5 years ago to increase sales of consumer goods but I've never heard people waiting in line in diapers here. What a hassle just to give someone your money. I've heard it said that smokers are the last contemplators in the West.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 1:09:40 GMT -5
@cosmicbobo Here they came up with El Gran Fin as a sort of Black Friday about 5 years ago to increase sales of consumer goods but I've never heard people waiting in line in diapers here. What a hassle just to give someone your money. I've heard it said that smokers are the last contemplators in the West. I didn't hear about the diaper thing until recently on one of their sales. As to contemplating, I was in a political group in the early seventies, with Bob Metzler, who is the head of the St Louis Pipe Show coming up. Thing is, we all smoked our pipes. I was sixteen. We could just talk and relax all night. If we talked about the political opposition it was good natured and with a laugh. Four of us might share a six pack. Oh, wow. But that was what we did. I would run the folding machine. Someone else would be dictating. It was all fun and all relaxed. I think my wife sees how relaxed I am with a pipe and I get less grief about it now. To me, pipe smoking is noble.
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Post by antb on Jan 25, 2018 2:12:52 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't affect or create hassles shipping to the Dark Continent.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 2:50:48 GMT -5
At worst you may pay a little more, but that would be about it. Don't even know if it would be called a tax, but maybe extra shipping cost for more paperwork
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Post by trailboss on Jan 25, 2018 3:24:29 GMT -5
I just got an email from a pipe club member that 7.5% taxes are added to Arizona residents when sales are made to that state at SP.
About all I buy from them is the 500 gr. Brown Bogie.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 25, 2018 3:28:26 GMT -5
Hope this doesn't affect or create hassles shipping to the Dark Continent. Sounds like a state by state greed issue, not an international one.
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Post by Darin on Jan 25, 2018 6:43:40 GMT -5
If TPTB get their way, your internet provider could be taxed just for showing you tobacco related sites. This cost, of course, would be passed on to you. It's called Net Neutrality and is just one more reason to cellar while you can.
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Post by dervis on Jan 25, 2018 9:54:29 GMT -5
Any organization (maybe a state gov for instance) that cant manage money always asks for more. Problem is if its 1000 dollars or 1000000 dollars, if you cant manage money you still cant.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 10:17:27 GMT -5
Colorado: SP is now required to give the state: your Name, Customer Billing Address, Customer Shipping Address and Total $ amount of Colorado purchasers during the previous year. Washington State: SP required to inform WA residents of tax use and filing of tax return, but so far, the Colorado edict has not been applied. PS: hope don and Zach read this. Just these two states have this on the books or at least in the offing? I ask because I've been expecting this, which is the reason that the only e-tailer that I patronize is the one that happens to be in my own state and adds the sales tax for each online sale, which at least simplifies things for me.
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Post by zambini on Jan 25, 2018 10:41:35 GMT -5
Colorado: SP is now required to give the state: your Name, Customer Billing Address, Customer Shipping Address and Total $ amount of Colorado purchasers during the previous year. Washington State: SP required to inform WA residents of tax use and filing of tax return, but so far, the Colorado edict has not been applied. PS: hope don and Zach read this. Just these two states have this on the books or at least in the offing? I ask because I've been expecting this, which is the reason that the only e-tailer that I patronize is the one that happens to be in my own state and adds the sales tax for each online sale, which at least simplifies things for me. All states that charge sales tax. There was a 1992 Supreme Court decision against South Dakota that said that sales taxes on mail-order/internet companies could only be collected at point of sale. Now that ruling is up for review. The big fear is that the ruling could be so broad that it not just applies to sales tax but to all related taxes and duties including state tobacco taxes. www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-12/bid-to-collect-internet-sales-tax-gets-u-s-high-court-reviewwww.engadget.com/2018/01/14/supreme-court-internet-sales-tax-case/
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 11:36:18 GMT -5
Thanks, zambini. Wow, there's a storm coming it seems. Lucky for me I completed my cellar some time ago, except for some baccy that's made me curious but which I purchased from the in-state e-tailer I mentioned above. Also, the fact that Colorado is not only demanding that the e-seller collect sales tax but that it also provide details on e-buyers indicates intention to impose other taxes and possible surcharges and penalties on these online buyers, retroactive to who knows when.
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Post by daveinlax on Jan 26, 2018 12:51:39 GMT -5
I just got an email from a pipe club member that 7.5% taxes are added to Arizona residents when sales are made to that state at SP. About all I buy from them is the 500 gr. Brown Bogie. I may be reading this wrong but I placed a big order earlier in Jan 2o18 split between AZ and WI. I didn't get taxed on either location. I'm surprised mail ordering tobacco across state lines has survived.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 26, 2018 13:29:51 GMT -5
I just got an email from a pipe club member that 7.5% taxes are added to Arizona residents when sales are made to that state at SP. About all I buy from them is the 500 gr. Brown Bogie. I may be reading this wrong but I placed a big order earlier in Jan 2o18 split between AZ and WI. I didn't get taxed on either location. I'm surprised mail ordering tobacco across state lines has survived. Sounds like you danced under the wire...that pipe club member i referenced, is on SP's website a lot. If you get thrown in Maricopa county jail though when you come back...I will act as a character witness....scratch that, it might bode badly for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 14:44:45 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Colorado and like, have forced a business to become their unpaid bookkeeper. How can this be?
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Post by zambini on Jan 26, 2018 17:48:02 GMT -5
The bottom line is that Colorado and like, have forced a business to become their unpaid bookkeeper. How can this be? That's not so strange. The IRS makes all US companies and individuals self report even for income earned abroad, states all ready force in-state companies and individuals to self report income, your even supposed to self report unpaid sales tax on mail order and internet purchases to state authorites for collection in most states. The upcoming Supreme Court case is being persued to provide a legal argument for states to force business in other states to withold sales tax on mail order and internet purchases and deliver it to your state. Business may well be afraid to see packages they send to customers being impounded for failure to comply with state taxes or for accumulated tax debts. The contents of a package aren't yours until you recieve them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 14:37:17 GMT -5
The Colorado revenue office is not the IRS. I still don't understand how they can interfere with a South Carolina's business practice, when no official law regarding interstate tax collection has been passed.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 27, 2018 15:04:06 GMT -5
The Colorado revenue office is not the IRS. I still don't understand how they can interfere with a South Carolina's business practice, when no official law regarding interstate tax collection has been passed. Here in Arizona, it isn't unusual to see this as the leading Google link when searching out tobacco's. www.azag.gov/tobacco/delivery-sales-banPipe tobacco and cigars are safe...for now.
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