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Post by trevorrace on Jan 27, 2018 14:05:45 GMT -5
...when cutting out your basic pipe shape? I have this predrilled block, and I can see the pipe I want already in there. I've drawn on the block with pencil, but I want to be absolutely sure I get my measurements right. Are there some pipe specific measuring tools out there?
For example, I have just been sticking a pencil into the hole, and using that as a way to guide where my lines should go(if that makes any sense). But I feel like there are probably much better ways of doing this, as I'm new to woodworking in general, and not well versed in the tools of the trade quite yet.
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Post by trailboss on Jan 27, 2018 15:07:51 GMT -5
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Post by slowroll on Jan 27, 2018 18:33:02 GMT -5
Trailboss has good suggestions. However, before you ask any questions over there, read everything and search all their threads, or they'll heap guano on your head for asking a question that s been asked before.
One note, the only measuring tool I use all the time is a dial caliper. They do inside, outside and depth measurement. Usually around 25 bucks.
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Post by trevorrace on Jan 28, 2018 10:40:09 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the info guys! This is a big help for me. I was actually just looking at calipers yesterday, but they were all out of my price range, so I'll have to do without for a while.
I gotta say, I've sure been enjoying this forum a whole lot. I also do magic and mentalism as a hobby, so I tend to visit magic forums for reviews at times, and people are just super mean to anyone who is still learning. I haven't experienced that on The Briar Patch Forum at all(yet anyway).
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Post by slowroll on Jan 28, 2018 19:12:46 GMT -5
No , I don't think that'll happen here.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 31, 2018 9:00:53 GMT -5
slowroll is right.
Get yourself a dial caliper, learn how to read the dial, and use it often. You don't need to spend a fortune on this versatile tool, especially for what you want to do with it. Harbor freight sells dial calipers for less than $20. Some ruined briar blocks will cost more than that. IMO, starting with pre-drilled briar blocks can limit your options, and all your critical measurements must be taken from the centerlines of the existing pre-drilled holes.
Good luck with your pipe fabrications. BTW, there are some very good videos on You-Tube that show how to make pipes from briar blocks.
Frank NYC
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Post by trevorrace on Jan 31, 2018 12:56:50 GMT -5
slowroll is right. Get yourself a dial caliper, learn how to read the dial, and use it often. You don't need to spend a fortune on this versatile tool, especially for what you want to do with it. Harbor freight sells dial calipers for less than $20. Some ruined briar blocks will cost more than that. IMO, starting with pre-drilled briar blocks can limit your options, and all your critical measurements must be taken from the centerlines of the existing pre-drilled holes. Good luck with your pipe fabrications. BTW, there are some very good videos on You-Tube that show how to make pipes from briar blocks. Frank NYC Thanks, Frank! I have been watching said videos the last few days. They have been quite helpful. I've decided that being limited in my tools is actually helping me by forcing me to get creative. I have been doing everything by hand so far. Just using wood chisels and sandpaper to rid the block of areas that aren't pipe. You are right about the pre-drilled block being limiting to the design. I almost screwed it up once already.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 31, 2018 17:21:20 GMT -5
trevorrace...
Making things the hard way, with limited tools is no foul....it's just more work. You'll sharpen your skills when you work more slowly and think things through. Once material is removed you can't put it back. Working with hand tools gives you some wiggle room if you screw up. Stop and check your progress often, and keep things symmetrical, and you'll do just fine.
You'll be smokin' that hunk of wood in no time at all.
Frank NYC
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Post by trevorrace on Jan 31, 2018 17:50:49 GMT -5
trevorrace... Making things the hard way, with limited tools is no foul....it's just more work. You'll sharpen your skills when you work more slowly and think things through. Once material is removed you can't put it back. Working with hand tools gives you some wiggle room if you screw up. Stop and check your progress often, and keep things symmetrical, and you'll do just fine. You'll be smokin' that hunk of wood in no time at all. Frank NYC Haha thanks, bud. Yes, I have definitely noticed that I appreciate having the extra time that comes with hand tools to check my work and let my ideas really brew before deciding on something. Ive also decided that it being my first try, that even if I don't get something symmetrical or even worth looking at, it's still going to be well used. Being disabled, these last 5 years have been very stressful. I have found a real peace of mind in pipe smoking and making. I feel it slows me down and helps me appreciate the little things.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Jan 31, 2018 21:50:47 GMT -5
Trevor....
Celebrate all your accomplishments! Your pipe will be great because YOU made it.
Wishing you the best of luck with your endeavors.
Frank NYC
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Post by johnlawitzke on Jan 31, 2018 23:25:33 GMT -5
slowroll is right. Get yourself a dial caliper, learn how to read the dial, and use it often. You don't need to spend a fortune on this versatile tool, especially for what you want to do with it. Harbor freight sells dial calipers for less than $20. Some ruined briar blocks will cost more than that. IMO, starting with pre-drilled briar blocks can limit your options, and all your critical measurements must be taken from the centerlines of the existing pre-drilled holes. Good luck with your pipe fabrications. BTW, there are some very good videos on You-Tube that show how to make pipes from briar blocks. Frank NYC Thanks, Frank! I have been watching said videos the last few days. They have been quite helpful. I've decided that being limited in my tools is actually helping me by forcing me to get creative. I have been doing everything by hand so far. Just using wood chisels and sandpaper to rid the block of areas that aren't pipe. You are right about the pre-drilled block being limiting to the design. I almost screwed it up once already. Chisels? I advise against that. Briar is not straight grained hardwood. For hand tools, a dovetail saw works good for removing larger areas of scrap. Past that rasps, files, Dremel, but not a chisel. For the topic of measuring, ditto on the previously mentioned dial caliper. I also use circle templates to check for round. Years and years ago, I learned mechanical drawing back before computers were used and it was all done manually. From those days, I still has the plastic circle template sheet; several inches square with all sorts of different diameter circles cut in it. Since I do all my shaping by hand or Dremel, sliding that circle template up and down the shank is a great way to check how I’m doing. Similarily, around the bowl.
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Post by slowroll on Jan 31, 2018 23:56:06 GMT -5
Absolutely agree with John. No chisel. You'll take out chunks bigger than you want and irregular. Rasps , files, Drexel and sandpaper, lots of grits. As soon as you can afford it, get a motor to mount soft backed sanding disks. If you can't afford a lathe, that's next best thing.
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Post by trevorrace on Feb 1, 2018 15:35:43 GMT -5
I'm not using a hammer and chisel. These are small hand chisels that don't take off any more than a razor blade or crafting knife.
I'm really looking forward to getting myself some calipers, but I have a next-to-nothing income due to my disability so it will be a good while before I can afford one. But it'll happen eventually.
Until then, I am really enjoying taking my time and letting the wood tell me what to do. It will probably be quite asymmetrical, but I'm ok with whatever it becomes. I'm learning a lot.
Thanks to everyone for posting. I appreciate every last word.
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Post by trevorrace on Feb 2, 2018 11:46:30 GMT -5
As soon as you can afford it, get a motor to mount soft backed sanding disks. If you can't afford a lathe, that's next best thing. That's a great idea! I hadn't considered that as an alternative.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 2, 2018 15:14:37 GMT -5
The trick will be to find a drill chuck to fit the motor shaft, so no can swap out disks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 15:47:22 GMT -5
The trick will be to find a drill chuck to fit the motor shaft, so no can swap out disks. Most Jacobs chucks use either MT1 or MT2 tapers. Electric Motors have a strait shaft.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 2, 2018 15:58:24 GMT -5
The trick will be to find a drill chuck to fit the motor shaft, so no can swap out disks. Most Jacobs chucks use either MT1 or MT2 tapers. Electric Motors have a strait shaft. That's why it'll be a trick. I did find one years ago. I think from Eastwood. Lousy chuck, but for holding sanding disks, it's ok. Chucks can be had with a female threaded mount, but then you need a male thread to female straight shaft adapter, which requires a lathe.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 19:06:22 GMT -5
slowroll, if one was to spend sometime in Harbor Freight looking around there is a possibility that the necessary components could be found. Or they might have an inexpensive 1" belt/disk sander. I have found a set of useful measuring tools for under $20.00. Check out www.Harborfrieght.com.
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Post by slowroll on Feb 2, 2018 20:32:40 GMT -5
john_r, harbor freight has some useful stuff, but a hard backed sanding disk and a short high speed belt are not very useful for pipes. Need soft backed disks and slack belts if a belt is to be used.
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Post by trevorrace on Feb 2, 2018 21:39:54 GMT -5
I was just watching a short documentary and saw this clip of a pipe maker, using some great looking tools. Can someone tell me, is that just some type of old belt sander/buffer that he's using? His shop looks so beautiful. I could spend days in there. "Pipe maker"
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Post by slowroll on Feb 3, 2018 19:42:05 GMT -5
It's a slack belt sander. Belt not super tight, run at low rpm for control, long belt so you can get flex (slack) in it to follow contours. A lot of these are shop made.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 3, 2018 19:47:43 GMT -5
Speaking about tools...
When I worked at a meat company back in the 80’s, there was a really old butcher that had mastered his father’s foot treadle sharpening stone... the edge that guy could put on a knife was incredible.
I have never seen another like it since.
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Post by trevorrace on Feb 3, 2018 21:12:16 GMT -5
It's a slack belt sander. Belt not super tight, run at low rpm for control, long belt so you can get flex (slack) in it to follow contours. A lot of these are shop made. It's such a beautiful tool. I hope to have some neat stuff like this one day.
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