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Post by trailboss on Feb 8, 2018 19:03:39 GMT -5
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Post by papipeguy on Feb 8, 2018 19:36:29 GMT -5
This has been looming foor a while. Many feel thaat the recent iterrations are a shadow of their former selves. Regardless of that, it is a shame. Dunhill obviously feels that their futuure lies in leather goods and clothing and other up-scale offerings. Time to move on as there are other worthy blends. A sad ending to an icon.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:36:51 GMT -5
Sad news. And thanks for quoting, by the way, so we don't have to click that link!
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 8, 2018 19:40:58 GMT -5
This has been looming foor a while. Many feel thaat the recent iterrations are a shadow of their former selves. Regardless of that, it is a shame. Dunhill obviously feels that their futuure lies in leather goods and clothing and other up-scale offerings. Time to move on as there are other worthy blends. A sad ending to an icon. The Dunhill brand lifestyle products and pipes are owned by a totally different company. British American Tobacco only owns Dunhill tobacco products.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 19:47:00 GMT -5
This has been looming foor a while. Many feel thaat the recent iterrations are a shadow of their former selves. Regardless of that, it is a shame. Dunhill obviously feels that their futuure lies in leather goods and clothing and other up-scale offerings. Time to move on as there are other worthy blends. A sad ending to an icon. The Dunhill brand lifestyle products and pipes are owned by a totally different company. British American Tobacco only owns Dunhill tobacco products. BAT actually owns the brand name? Or it's licensed to them by Dunhill? My understanding was the same as papipeguy's - that they want to concentrate on non-tobacco luxury goods with the Dunhill label, and that tobacco products are small potatoes.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Feb 8, 2018 19:53:13 GMT -5
I was bummed back when I first heard about it, but if I'm honest, I have a good stash of each of my favourite Dunhill blends- And after smoking pipe for just over a year now, I have found so many smokes I like more.
I admit I am worried about the future of the hobby overall. Is this just the tip of the iceberg? I really hope this isn't obvious foreshadowing in the tale of the modern pipesmoker.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Feb 8, 2018 20:07:58 GMT -5
The Dunhill brand lifestyle products and pipes are owned by a totally different company. British American Tobacco only owns Dunhill tobacco products. BAT actually owns the brand name? Or it's licensed to them by Dunhill? My understanding was the same as papipeguy's - that they want to concentrate on non-tobacco luxury goods with the Dunhill label, and that tobacco products are small potatoes. BAT owns Dunhill brand cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco. All other Dunhill brand stuff is owned by a company with a French name. If you do some searching, there have been threads on various forums that give the name.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:24:33 GMT -5
BAT actually owns the brand name? Or it's licensed to them by Dunhill? My understanding was the same as papipeguy's - that they want to concentrate on non-tobacco luxury goods with the Dunhill label, and that tobacco products are small potatoes. BAT owns Dunhill brand cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco. All other Dunhill brand stuff is owned by a company with a French name. If you do some searching, there have been threads on various forums that give the name. Interesting. So it has nothing to do with "Dunhill" not wanting to be associated with tobacco products, as has been disseminated by knowledgeable pipe smokers everywhere.... Does BAT make any other pipe tobacco brands? I notice they don't say they're ceasing Dunhill cigarette production.
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Post by zambini on Feb 8, 2018 20:37:16 GMT -5
The Dunhill brand lifestyle products and pipes are owned by a totally different company. British American Tobacco only owns Dunhill tobacco products. BAT actually owns the brand name? Or it's licensed to them by Dunhill? My understanding was the same as papipeguy's - that they want to concentrate on non-tobacco luxury goods with the Dunhill label, and that tobacco products are small potatoes. I pulled the following from another thread from a while back. It may help complement what's been said here: Dunhill tobacco and Dunhill pipe brands are owned by two totally separate companies. Dunhill cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco are owned by British American Tobacco. BAT officially announced in January 2017 that as part of their merger with RJR, they would be exiting the Dunhill cigar and pipe tobacco business and that the process was expected to take 12 to 18 months. The general hope in pipe land has been that STG would buy the license for Dunhill pipe tobacco from BAT. However, that's still just hope as there have been no further announcements from BAT since last January. Adding some context to year words of wisdom the whole story, as I can best surmise, goes something like this: There's a Southafrican named Johann Rupert who years ago bought Dunhill and split it's assets between two of his companies: Compagnie Financière Richemont SA (which owns luxury lifestyle brands) and Reinet Investments S.C.A. (which is an investment fund anchored by a big chunk of BAT stock). Dunhill Tobacco, under licence to BAT, had production of its cigars outsourced to General Cigar Company and its pipe tobacco to STG. Recently BAT bought the outstanding shares in RJR as part of a long term trend of consolidation within the tobacco industry. BAT is betting that the future of tobacco lies in vaporizing whilst Johann Rupert is seeking to expand the Dunhill lifestyle brand from mostly Europe to the Middle East, Canada, and the Far East where Dunhill tobacco is pretty unknown and doesn't figure that tobacco goes with the young, bold, english gentleman theme he's selling. Consequently Dunhill tobacco, as a brand, is kind of outside of everyone's eye and so BAT is going to let the production licence agreements lapse figuring that the brand is too small potatoes. The Dunhill cigarettes are going to apparently stick around given their consolidated position in the European luxury market but their being folded into a division with Rothman's and other lines at BAT. As Reinet Investments S.C.A. is the owner of the Dunhill pipe tobacco recipes it's not certain whether they'd be willing to sell them considering their apparently not willing to sell the rights to the Dunhill tobacco name as it could affect the Dunhill lifestyle brand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 20:41:38 GMT -5
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