Beardedpipesmoker
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Post by Beardedpipesmoker on Feb 25, 2018 3:12:55 GMT -5
So for a while now I've been trying to find a definitive answer on how you can tell if a Peterson has the patented system. I haven't had much luck. What is the trick? I've seen some beautiful Petersons and own a couple, but I want my next to have the system.
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 25, 2018 3:23:38 GMT -5
...it's the shape of the bit. Dead giveaway.
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 25, 2018 3:27:17 GMT -5
So for a while now I've been trying to find a definitive answer on how you can tell if a Peterson has the patented system. I haven't had much luck. What is the trick? I've seen some beautiful Petersons and own a couple, but I want my next to have the system.  ...the "P-Lip" bit... |
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Post by Beardedpipesmoker on Feb 25, 2018 3:27:44 GMT -5
...it's the shape of the bit. Dead giveaway. So fr instance the st. Patty's pipes are systems? |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 25, 2018 3:28:45 GMT -5
...it's the shape of the bit. Dead giveaway. So fr instance the st. Patty's pipes are systems? ...not sure, not a Peterson guy... |
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Post by Beardedpipesmoker on Feb 25, 2018 3:40:31 GMT -5
So fr instance the st. Patty's pipes are systems? ...not sure, not a Peterson guy... But all those with that bit are systems? |
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 25, 2018 3:41:34 GMT -5
...not sure, not a Peterson guy... But all those with that bit are systems? Correct. peterson.ie/ |
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Post by rblood on Feb 25, 2018 7:45:33 GMT -5
I wish it was that easy dramatwist! There are many non-system pipes that have p-lip stems - so that won't help you. Peterson will put a p-lip on just about any shape if you want it. To start, all Systems have a military mount and all are bent, except for one - the straight shape 31. But, not all military mounts / bents are System pipes. You will need to see the drilling to know for sure if a pipe is a system pipe. Several of the 2018 St. Patrick's Day pipes are System pipes. Here is a link to a Peterson catalog from a few years back on Reborn Pipes. Take a look at the shape numbers on the "system" pages. These system shapes are what you are looking for. For example, a shape 312 regardless of the series is a system pipe. rebornpipes.com/2015/05/15/a-beautiful-peterson-of-dublin-pipe-catalogue/There are other shapes that are Systems that are not on these System chart pages. For example, in some "named" series lines , i.e. the bent Mark Twain, several of the old Dunmore 7x shapes, Darwin, etc.. |
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Post by Yohanan on Feb 25, 2018 9:41:53 GMT -5
 Here is a cutaway, giving a little better description about the construction, Disregard the beeswax lined bowl, I don't know where that comes from. |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Feb 25, 2018 10:08:04 GMT -5
So for a while now I've been trying to find a definitive answer on how you can tell if a Peterson has the patented system. I haven't had much luck. What is the trick? I've seen some beautiful Petersons and own a couple, but I want my next to have the system. Check out Smoking Pipes.... www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/new/peterson/index.cfm?page=3 |
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Post by zambini on Feb 25, 2018 11:36:26 GMT -5
I own one and while it is great at controlling the burn rate of the tobacco and preventing tongue-bite, to my mind, it also has downsides. As the smoke doesn't reach the tongue, flavor from a blend is reduced (maybe it's a positive if you have a blend who's flavor you like but feel it's too much) also the strong bend and gravity drain makes it easy to soak up moisture but difficult to clean the pipe with a regular pipe cleaner. I really appreciate how light and well balanced it is.
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Post by Beardedpipesmoker on Feb 25, 2018 12:26:40 GMT -5
I wish it was that easy dramatwist! There are many non-system pipes that have p-lip stems - so that won't help you. Peterson will put a p-lip on just about any shape if you want it. To start, all Systems have a military mount and all are bent, except for one - the straight shape 31. But, not all military mounts / bents are System pipes. You will need to see the drilling to know for sure if a pipe is a system pipe. Several of the 2018 St. Patrick's Day pipes are System pipes. Here is a link to a Peterson catalog from a few years back on Reborn Pipes. Take a look at the shape numbers on the "system" pages. These system shapes are what you are looking for. For example, a shape 312 regardless of the series is a system pipe. rebornpipes.com/2015/05/15/a-beautiful-peterson-of-dublin-pipe-catalogue/There are other shapes that are Systems that are not on these System chart pages. For example, in some "named" series lines , i.e. the bent Mark Twain, several of the old Dunmore 7x shapes, Darwin, etc.. Wow, that complicates it doesn't it? You'd think they would just advertise "system or "non-system" that would make things a lot easier. |
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Post by Beardedpipesmoker on Feb 25, 2018 12:29:24 GMT -5
I own one and while it is great at controlling the burn rate of the tobacco and preventing tongue-bite, to my mind, it also has downsides. As the smoke doesn't reach the tongue, flavor from a blend is reduced (maybe it's a positive if you have a blend who's flavor you like but feel it's too much) also the strong bend and gravity drain makes it easy to soak up moisture but difficult to clean the pipe with a regular pipe cleaner. I really appreciate how light and well balanced it is. So, would you say it is worth picking one up? |
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Post by zambini on Feb 25, 2018 12:42:12 GMT -5
Assuming price isn't an issue, I'd get one and maybe sacrifice a bit of balance for a more open bend or a straight. I'd particularly consider it if you tend to smoke faster then a blend allows or you salivate a lot.
If price is an issue, I'd shop around and maybe consider a smaller pipe assuming balance/weight is your main concern; I've had great luck with a cheap Chadwick.
Having said all that, mine is in my rotation as a 3rd/4th option as its the only way to deal with the strong goopy burley and cavendish aromatics that they sell here (e.g. Kentucky Club and London Dock).
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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 25, 2018 15:13:44 GMT -5
I wish it was that easy dramatwist! There are many non-system pipes that have p-lip stems - so that won't help you. Peterson will put a p-lip on just about any shape if you want it. To start, all Systems have a military mount and all are bent, except for one - the straight shape 31. But, not all military mounts / bents are System pipes. You will need to see the drilling to know for sure if a pipe is a system pipe. Several of the 2018 St. Patrick's Day pipes are System pipes. Here is a link to a Peterson catalog from a few years back on Reborn Pipes. Take a look at the shape numbers on the "system" pages. These system shapes are what you are looking for. For example, a shape 312 regardless of the series is a system pipe. rebornpipes.com/2015/05/15/a-beautiful-peterson-of-dublin-pipe-catalogue/There are other shapes that are Systems that are not on these System chart pages. For example, in some "named" series lines , i.e. the bent Mark Twain, several of the old Dunmore 7x shapes, Darwin, etc.. ...apologies for any misinformation. As stated, I am not a Peterson guy... |
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Post by cigrmaster on Feb 25, 2018 16:36:13 GMT -5
I am not taking a shot at anyone who enjoys their system pipes. I have no idea why you would want a pipe that collects nasty tobacco juice in it. If you buy a quality pipe such as a Savinelli, you will get a dry smoking pipe. Technique is important, packing the pipe correctly, drying blends that need drying and smoking at a moderate cadence will all lead to a nice dry smoke.
The system pipes are designed to create moisture so it can hold it in that chamber. The P-lip in my opinion is the worst designed stem that has ever been produced. Sending the smoke into the roof of your mouth robs you of flavor and burns your mouth. I just don't understand why people like these things. I bought a P-lip early in in my pipe collecting life and after 2 smokes I put in my rack and eventually gave it away years later. I told my buddy who was not a pipe smoker that it sucked but he didn't care, he wanted it so I was more than happy to give it to him.
Again I am mot taking a shot at anyone who might love these pipes, I always think people should do what makes them happy. I just cannot for the life of me figure out the why. There are literally thousands upon thousands of great pipes on the market, there is no reason I see to ever buy a P-lip system pipe.
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Post by trailboss on Feb 25, 2018 16:43:31 GMT -5
Hating haters only hate, Cigarmaster!😉
You do raise valid points though, maybe when the system pipe came out it was revolutionary for what was available on the market, but with time and knowledge, pipe making skills left it in the dust. I agree with the p-lip, I still smoke my system pipe, but the P-lip can definitely be a rash raiser on the roof of the mouth.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2018 18:34:17 GMT -5
To make the System pipe a dry smoker (and greatly improve cleanup):
Take a wad of cotton ball (guesstimate size) and fill the recess sump flush using your pipe pick. Double check that inlet is not blocked. After smoking remove with pick or tweezers. The drenched ball is also useful for coating the bowl to build cake.
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