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Post by Dramatwist on Feb 28, 2018 18:51:58 GMT -5
How many of us "blend", even in our own little way?
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Post by slowroll on Feb 28, 2018 18:54:14 GMT -5
I do, quite a lot. Searching for the elusive Balkan Sobranie replacement.
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Post by zambini on Mar 1, 2018 1:50:42 GMT -5
I try and blend together my bad buys. At the moment I've got Russ' Yule Log mixed with Kentucky Club but it hasn't improved either. I may throw the remains of some London Dock in there just to see how bad it gets.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 2:40:52 GMT -5
I try and blend together my bad buys. At the moment I've got Russ' Yule Log mixed with Kentucky Club but it hasn't improved either. I may throw the remains of some London Dock in there just to see how bad it gets. I think you need to add some White Cube Burley or maybe a regular mild Burley until the strength gets taken down some pegs. It worked for my Legendary Tobacco Burger from Hell, though it is still quite potent and tries to escape its cage
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 8:43:52 GMT -5
I mostly blend remnants or aromatics that I have jarred or bagged and forgotten what they were because I forgot to label them. They become my mystery blend. I did blend SWR, which I did not like, with a whiskey aromatic and a tropical aromatic. Turned out pretty good. Also blended up my own VaPer once for the fun of it.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Mar 1, 2018 9:28:29 GMT -5
I do. And I measure and write everything down in a log-book... so the recipes can be duplicated.
The whole subject of home blending...I find very interesting. I particularly enjoy the idea of "customizing" existing, professional mixtures like "Carter Hall", "Prince Albert", "Haunted Book Shop" et al. by adding a little of this and a little of that, with the hopes of making a much better, more complex mixture, with these additions. I think most call them "Hybrid Blends". I've done some minor blending "experiments" using Lane Ltd. "HGL" as the base. Why? This Lane Ltd. blend is easily available -in bulk- and probably will escape the onerous "deeming regulations". I mix this "HGL" base with various other, professional blends, to create a "hybrid" mixture. I prefer to do my blending this way, rather than buying and using basic tobacco components, and starting from scratch. I build on what's already available.
So far I have come up with two very nice "hybrids", that I enjoy smoking, and was quite surprised that I was successful. Sadly one custom blend that I call "Golden Hours" will be short-lived because it has Mc Clelland's #2050 oriental Cavendish as a major component. Isn't MC going out of business? So, at this point, I have no idea if there is a good substitute for MC's #2050. I mixed MC-#2050 1:1 with "HGL. Let me know if there's a good sub for MC-#2050, please.
My other triumph with mixing the "HGL" base, is called "Pleasant Moments". It's a Va/Per/Bur blend containing some mild cigar-leaf + "HGL". The recipes for both are posted on this forum, and, to share with you.
I wish there was a specially designated area on this forum for "hybrid mixtures" and other home-blending recipes. I enjoy sharing any home blend experiments with other pipe smokers. If there IS such a section for home blending, please help me find it.
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Open questions to all the Professional Blenders.....
1- What's going to happen to all your expertly blended concoctions if the FDA deeming rules go into effect? 2- Will your secret mixtures they ever get to the market? 3- Will your "newer" recipes languish away, and die, in some private, hand-written recipe-book?
Here's an idea..... If you can, are allowed.... sell your unmarketable, collections of your blends and mixtures, to us pipe smokers. A cheapo, spiral-bound, "vanity publication" would be fine. Or sell the recipes as an "E-book". Share your blends with us. I'd buy a copy. What good are all these new blending recipes and discoveries, if the costs of bringing any newer mixtures to the market are cost prohibitive? If there's no chance in hell for most of the newer tobacco blends to be introduced onto the very limited pipe tobacco market, why let these recipes die a slow death? Make them available for a fee. Just thought I's ask. The devil is always in the details, and nothing's ever as simple as it looks. But if you can....sell/share your recipes with us pipe-smokers.
Will we, in the near future, and as non-professional, home-blenders, be prohibited from mixing our own tobacco blends from what's commercially available from the traditional tobacco retailers, like P&C, etc? I hope all the older blends made before 2007 will still be on the market.
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Post by zambini on Mar 1, 2018 10:46:00 GMT -5
briarpipenyc what if they just sell you the components pre measured and then people do the final blending at home? I'm guessing all component tobaccos would be grandfathered in. They could even send things in the same tins with just a paper seperation between each component.
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Post by Darin on Mar 1, 2018 11:15:21 GMT -5
Yep! I buy whole-leaf tobacco and make my own plugs & twists ... roll cigars too.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 1, 2018 11:16:20 GMT -5
Yep! I buy whole-leaf tobacco and make my own plugs & twists ... roll cigars too. ...nice...
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Post by slowroll on Mar 1, 2018 11:46:41 GMT -5
briarpipenyc , I use McC 2050 as a base in a lot of stuff too. It certainly is like orientals of old,even more so. It does have a topping, I once talked to Mary at McC, and she told me that, but of course wouldn't tell what it was. I suspect it is clove oil in some fashion, somehow toned down a bit. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me. I'm playing with that approach now. We'll see how it goes. I have found nothing anywhere to compare with it. One if those magic McC Orientals. I also weigh all components, using a gunpowder scale so I can do small amounts accurately. Pretty handy. For those not familiar with those scales, they measure in grains, and there's about 437 grains go the ounce. You can measure a gnat's arse.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 1, 2018 11:48:48 GMT -5
briarpipenyc , I use McC 2050 as a base in a lot of stuff too. It certainly is like orientals of old,even more so. It does have a topping, I once talked to Mary at McC, and she told me that, but of course wouldn't tell what it was. I suspect it is clove oil in some fashion, somehow toned down a bit. I could be wrong, but that's what it seems like to me. I'm playing with that approach now. We'll see how it goes. I have found nothing anywhere to compare with it. One if those magic McC Orientals. I also weigh all components, using a gunpowder scale so I can do small amounts accurately. Pretty handy. For those not familiar with those scales, they measure in grains, and there's about 437 grains go the ounce. You can measure a gnat's arse. ...always wanted to measure a gnat's arse...
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Post by slowroll on Mar 1, 2018 12:04:59 GMT -5
Hey, I'm an engineer. I measure everything.
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Post by puffy on Mar 1, 2018 12:31:49 GMT -5
I have mixed a few tobaccos.I wouldn't exactly call it blending.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 1, 2018 12:34:04 GMT -5
I have mixed a few tobaccos.I wouldn't exactly call it blending. ...welcome to the 500...
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 1, 2018 12:57:33 GMT -5
Someday I want to purchase blending tobaccos and try blending a few and maybe even pressing them. As for now, I blended some remains of ten to midnight with some velvet. The mixture is approximately 1 part midnight to 2 parts velvet and is very tastey.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 1, 2018 13:00:22 GMT -5
Yep! I buy whole-leaf tobacco and make my own plugs & twists ... roll cigars too. I have some pretty good twists..Thanks Darin for starting me out...and I make a number of my own blends but never measure.everything is "by guess and by golly"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 14:46:22 GMT -5
Over at cigarbum, Pete Siegel (of Elephant & Castle fame) did a very cool thing: he had 5 or 6 guys send him their dream recipes, then helped narrow down types of leaf by providing blending notes based on his own experience and the varietites he was able to obtain. Then he made 2-oz samples of the blend to our specs, but then also did his own version of how he thought it should be, based on what you were trying to achieve. It was a great experience, and while I enjoyed the blend I designed it was a little muddled as he predicted, and his version was far superior. This was mine, called Double Bass:
Red VA ribbon 8g Red VA Cav 8g Latakia 6g Smyrna 6g Macedonian 2g Cigar leaf 4g Dark Fired Kentucky 2g Black VA 4g
My only other "blending" attempt has been to mix three different maple blends I didn't care for individually - Tinder Box Honey Maple, Town Topic, and Autumn Evening, then douse it all with some bourbon barrel-aged maple syrup, just for overkill. Much better!
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Over at cigarbum, Pete Siegel (of Elephant & Castle fame) did a very cool thing: he had 5 or 6 guys send him their dream recipes, then helped narrow down types of leaf by providing blending notes based on his own experience and the varietites he was able to obtain. Then he made 2-oz samples of the blend to our specs, but then also did his own version of how he thought it should be, based on what you were trying to achieve. It was a great experience, and while I enjoyed the blend I designed it was a little muddled as he predicted, and his version was far superior. This was mine, called Double Bass: Red VA ribbon 8g Red VA Cav 8g Latakia 6g Smyrna 6g Macedonian 2g Cigar leaf 4g Dark Fired Kentucky 2g Black VA 4g My only other "blending" attempt has been to mix three different maple blends I didn't care for individually - Tinder Box Honey Maple, Town Topic, and Autumn Evening, then douse it all with some bourbon barrel-aged maple syrup, just for overkill. Much better! how did you apply the maple . . . watered down in a spray bottle?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 14:56:10 GMT -5
Over at cigarbum, Pete Siegel (of Elephant & Castle fame) did a very cool thing: he had 5 or 6 guys send him their dream recipes, then helped narrow down types of leaf by providing blending notes based on his own experience and the varietites he was able to obtain. Then he made 2-oz samples of the blend to our specs, but then also did his own version of how he thought it should be, based on what you were trying to achieve. It was a great experience, and while I enjoyed the blend I designed it was a little muddled as he predicted, and his version was far superior. This was mine, called Double Bass: Red VA ribbon 8g Red VA Cav 8g Latakia 6g Smyrna 6g Macedonian 2g Cigar leaf 4g Dark Fired Kentucky 2g Black VA 4g My only other "blending" attempt has been to mix three different maple blends I didn't care for individually - Tinder Box Honey Maple, Town Topic, and Autumn Evening, then douse it all with some bourbon barrel-aged maple syrup, just for overkill. Much better! how did you apply the maple . . . watered down in a spray bottle? Much more primitive than that . I just poured some from the cap, added a little distilled water, shook and stirred. It's only about an oz all together, to easy to do in the jar.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Mar 1, 2018 16:25:49 GMT -5
slowroll....Not happy reading about MC-#2050 having no substitutes. That's the kiss of death for one of my fav blends. I laughed when I read that you use a gunpowder-scale to measure your tobacco components. Maybe I'll dump a few grains of "Bullseye" or "Red Dot" into my next tobacco mixture and dump it into a 45-70 case. : ))) mwps70.... your concoction sounds interesting. "10 to Midnight" mixed with "Velvet". Thanks. @ chico.... Re: cigarbum/Pete Siegel...is this blend assessment still offered as a service? Your Double Bass is an interesting blend that contains cigar-leaf. How does this mixture rate on the Chico Scale? Very interesting ideas have been posted. Hope pro-blenders will share their recipes if it finally hits the fan. Thanks, Frank
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 1, 2018 16:41:38 GMT -5
Other than Mixture 79, probably the worst tobacco that I ever tried was Kendall 1792. It was so strong that I actually mixed it with Jackknife Plug! I had set it aside in a jar for probably a year or more now. Checked it every once in awhile, and it actually smelled pretty good, but I never smoked it. A few days ago, I opened a jar of Captain Black Dark (CBD), which has a nice taste, but overall, rather bland. I have commented before on how much I like CBD as a blending tobacco. So I mixed a good amount of the CBD into the 1792/Jackknife mixture. I figured that if I smoked the 1792/Jackknife mixture, even if it tasted good, that the nicotine would kill me, so hopefully adding the CBD to the mix will tone it down a bit. Back in a jar for some further aging. We'll see what happens!
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Post by slowroll on Mar 1, 2018 17:36:42 GMT -5
briarpipenyc, well, if you do that, you'll have to fire it, not smoke it. BTW, 2050 does look like a gunpowder number from Western Powder. Unfortunately, my favorite home blends use 2050, or Yenice Agonya, or Smyrna #1. The only good news for me is I have about 2 lb of 2050 and about 12 tins of Yenice, and I probably just got the last 4 cans of Smyrna #1 from SP. I do have a pretty good blend of unflavored black Cavendish, dark Va, H&H Smyna, perique and latakia. Mix to taste. I use about 35 % lat, 12% perique or so.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2018 19:59:31 GMT -5
briarpipenyc, I don't believe so - it was a limited one-off thing for just a few guys while he getting back into blending and wanting to do some experimentation. It's been quite a while since I smoked Double Bass, and only had maybe 3 bowls - especially since I liked Pete's version better. He has a real skill for big flavor but velvety smoothness. I'll have to try both again soon and will report back. I'd love to draft Pete over to Briar Patch, but I think he's not even on cbum very much. @the Falls Guy, 1792 is too strong for me, too but I really it the flavor and haven't found anything like it. I sometimes mix it with some GH Black Cav, which is dark fire-cured, and it works well. It tones down the nic and doesn't reduce the flavor too much. Hey, just realized that's another home blend I make!
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 1, 2018 20:15:03 GMT -5
Sounds familiar. Hope that it works out for me as well as it has for you. Thanks.
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Post by briarpipenyc on Mar 2, 2018 6:24:47 GMT -5
Chico and others.....Thanks for the quick responses.
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Post by jitterbugdude on Mar 2, 2018 8:40:05 GMT -5
It's all I do. Been growing for over 20 years now so I have A LOT of tobaccos to blend, including homemade Perique and Cavendished Virginia.
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Post by haebar on Mar 2, 2018 8:43:40 GMT -5
I make blends and press them into cakes. Use mostly whole leaf tobacco that I get from Wholeleaftobacco.com, The Tobacco Butcher, and Leaf Only. This is my last "Navy Cake".
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Post by slowroll on Mar 2, 2018 9:12:37 GMT -5
I make blends and press them into cakes. Use mostly whole leaf tobacco that I get from Wholeleaftobacco.com, The Tobacco Butcher, and Leaf Only. This is my last "Navy Cake". Do you find the wholeleaf and Leafonly to be equal? I've only tried leafonly, and found 4 different tobacs tasted kind of ashy. Do you use one of their shredders?
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 2, 2018 10:01:59 GMT -5
I make blends and press them into cakes. Use mostly whole leaf tobacco that I get from Wholeleaftobacco.com, The Tobacco Butcher, and Leaf Only. This is my last "Navy Cake". Wow, looks great. I would most definitely try a bowl of that.
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Post by Darin on Mar 2, 2018 10:26:11 GMT -5
I make blends and press them into cakes. Use mostly whole leaf tobacco that I get from Wholeleaftobacco.com, The Tobacco Butcher, and Leaf Only. This is my last "Navy Cake". Do you find the wholeleaf and Leafonly to be equal? I've only tried leafonly, and found 4 different tobacs tasted kind of ashy. Do you use one of their shredders? I find WLT.com to be a better product and they have more variety, especially in the Cigar leaf. haebar makes a nice blend ... tasty stuff!
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