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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 3, 2018 21:42:03 GMT -5
I was just reading on another forum about how the labels from the 2018 batch of McClelland 40th Anniversary come right off with no tearing. The possibility now exists that flippers and scumbags will take their 40th labels and put them on lesser blends. I can easily see this becoming a reality as people who buy off of ebay have no recourse if they are fooled. Also many people who buy it to age wouldn't find out about it for years later.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 21:49:17 GMT -5
well that is disturbingly devious. with the sharks and bottom feeders spotted in the water, I would say the McClelland Panic Buy is in full bloom.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 3, 2018 22:01:12 GMT -5
The anniversary tin I have is wrapped in white paper with the wax seal. Is it that one? Also- I bought mine some time back, so I doubt it's a fake.
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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 3, 2018 22:07:29 GMT -5
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Post by papipeguy on Mar 3, 2018 22:12:40 GMT -5
This has been happening in the wine trade forever so I'm not surprised. Saddened but not shocked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:22:58 GMT -5
Has this actually happened, or is it just speculation and paranoia? What McC "lesser blends" produced in the large-size tins would be worth so much less than 40th, considering the whole company is going out of business? I'm skeptical that this is "a thing."
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 3, 2018 22:25:57 GMT -5
This has been happening in the wine trade forever so I'm not surprised. Saddened but not shocked. I think I watched a documentary on that very thing awhile back. Well, it was more about how American vineyards are still establishing themselves on the global market etc, but they had a nice bit about wine collectors being duped. Guys had collections that were priceless and they have to spend unbelievable sums to have them verified based on bottles and corks and other means because people were just buying old paper and printing fake labels. Haha It never ceases to amaze me what great lengths bums will go to to make a buck. Why not just channel that energy into career and make their money the honest way. Haha |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2018 22:43:27 GMT -5
This has been happening in the wine trade forever so I'm not surprised. Saddened but not shocked. I think I watched a documentary on that very thing awhile back. Well, it was more about how American vineyards are still establishing themselves on the global market etc, but they had a nice bit about wine collectors being duped. Guys had collections that were priceless and they have to spend unbelievable sums to have them verified based on bottles and corks and other means because people were just buying old paper and printing fake labels. Haha It never ceases to amaze me what great lengths bums will go to to make a buck. Why not just channel that energy into career and make their money the honest way. Haha This is one of the reasons I never go for the top of tops in anything. If I buy a bottle of Chateau Lafitte Rothschild it will be the only one I buy. It could be a disappointment. I could probably get a half dozen bottles of Chateau Mouton Cadet, which is in the same area and the grapes are probably just as special. If Dunhill goes out of business I would be as happy with Nightcap Match, which the Man from I.N.K.S. says is very close. In Missouri (said this before) we pride ourselves in our mediocrity. In fact, we excel in Medioc.. wait, is that possible? To excel in Mediocrity shouldn't we be Mediocre in Medio... I'm going to bed |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Mar 3, 2018 22:48:07 GMT -5
I think I watched a documentary on that very thing awhile back. Well, it was more about how American vineyards are still establishing themselves on the global market etc, but they had a nice bit about wine collectors being duped. Guys had collections that were priceless and they have to spend unbelievable sums to have them verified based on bottles and corks and other means because people were just buying old paper and printing fake labels. Haha It never ceases to amaze me what great lengths bums will go to to make a buck. Why not just channel that energy into career and make their money the honest way. Haha This is one of the reasons I never go for the top of tops in anything. If I buy a bottle of Chateau Lafitte Rothschild it will be the only one I buy. It could be a disappointment. I could probably get a half dozen bottles of Chateau Mouton Cadet, which is in the same area and the grapes are probably just as special. If Dunhill goes out of business I would be as happy with Nightcap Match, which the Man from I.N.K.S. says is very close. In Missouri (said this before) we pride ourselves in our mediocrity. In fact, we excel in Medioc.. wait, is that possible? To excel in Mediocrity shouldn't we be Mediocre in Medio... I'm going to bed The Lafitte is beyond me. Haha I'm a Duckhorn man myself. |
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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 3, 2018 23:15:28 GMT -5
Has this actually happened, or is it just speculation and paranoia? What McC "lesser blends" produced in the large-size tins would be worth so much less than 40th, considering the whole company is going out of business? I'm skeptical that this is "a thing." People seem to think this will become a thing as where there is a will there is a way. I read that C&D 100 gram tins are the same size and just different colored plastic tops which are easily changed. I have no worries as I have never bought tobacco from anyone besides a retailer or aged tins from pipestud. If you are not going to look at the secondary markets you also shouldn't worry. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 3, 2018 23:30:05 GMT -5
Has this actually happened, or is it just speculation and paranoia? What McC "lesser blends" produced in the large-size tins would be worth so much less than 40th, considering the whole company is going out of business? I'm skeptical that this is "a thing." Speculation and paranoia at this point. The issue is that the McClelland labels aren't glued to the tins and are easy to slip off. I suppose one could replace the label on a lesser worthy, assuming that the tin was the same shape. It sounds like a lot of work for little to no profit. Tins of 40th have only the year stamped on the bottom of them. The other blends have two digits before the year. I've seen a suspicious looking bag or two of "Esoterica" coming out of China. That would be an easier fake to do. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 3, 2018 23:33:27 GMT -5
Has this actually happened, or is it just speculation and paranoia? What McC "lesser blends" produced in the large-size tins would be worth so much less than 40th, considering the whole company is going out of business? I'm skeptical that this is "a thing." People seem to think this will become a thing as where there is a will there is a way. I read that C&D 100 gram tins are the same size and just different colored plastic tops which are easily changed. I have no worries as I have never bought tobacco from anyone besides a retailer or aged tins from pipestud. If you are not going to look at the secondary markets you also shouldn't worry. Well, while I think the whole concern is pretty dubious, I won't shed a tear for the shattered dreams of any secondary market speculators. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 15:09:58 GMT -5
This has been happening in the wine trade forever so I'm not surprised. Saddened but not shocked. I think I watched a documentary on that very thing awhile back. Well, it was more about how American vineyards are still establishing themselves on the global market etc, but they had a nice bit about wine collectors being duped. Guys had collections that were priceless and they have to spend unbelievable sums to have them verified based on bottles and corks and other means because people were just buying old paper and printing fake labels. Haha It never ceases to amaze me what great lengths bums will go to to make a buck. Why not just channel that energy into career and make their money the honest way. Haha It is remarkable. I saw a news filmed raid of a wine forgery setup at a residential house in California. The forger had several high quality printers, the right type of quality blank labels and bottles of cheap wine soaking in the tub (in order to easily peel the Two Buck Chuck type labels). |
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Post by zambini on Mar 4, 2018 15:17:41 GMT -5
People seem to think this will become a thing as where there is a will there is a way. I read that C&D 100 gram tins are the same size and just different colored plastic tops which are easily changed. I have no worries as I have never bought tobacco from anyone besides a retailer or aged tins from pipestud. If you are not going to look at the secondary markets you also shouldn't worry. Well, while I think the whole concern is pretty dubious, I won't shed a tear for the shattered dreams of any secondary market speculators. I'd be worried about the existince of so much cellared stock that if the secondary prices tumble they'd start competing with fresh stock on price. This could cause problems for manufacturers and distributers that must now compete against their own aged product creating a glut in the market. This could lower sales for the manufacturers leading to reduced production over a time period damaging the hobby. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 15:46:32 GMT -5
I just had a great idea: spray-paint some Stokkebye flake black, shove it in a fake Stonehaven bag, and whack it on ebay for $185!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2018 16:41:18 GMT -5
I just had a great idea: spray-paint some Stokkebye flake black, shove it in a fake Stonehaven bag, and whack it on ebay for $185! food grade dye would make you a kinder and gentler criminal.  |
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 4, 2018 16:44:33 GMT -5
This has been happening in the wine trade forever so I'm not surprised. Saddened but not shocked. I think I watched a documentary on that very thing awhile back. Well, it was more about how American vineyards are still establishing themselves on the global market etc, but they had a nice bit about wine collectors being duped. Guys had collections that were priceless and they have to spend unbelievable sums to have them verified based on bottles and corks and other means because people were just buying old paper and printing fake labels. Haha It never ceases to amaze me what great lengths bums will go to to make a buck. Why not just channel that energy into career and make their money the honest way. Haha ...I recall seeing that... |
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Post by exchef on Mar 4, 2018 21:22:29 GMT -5
In the cigar world counterfeit Cubans would appear on a regular basis.
If the deal seems too good to be true, it likely is.
A family elder was so proud of himself for scoring me a Cohiba one time that I didn’t have the heart to tell him he got taken.
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Post by pipestud on Mar 6, 2018 10:37:38 GMT -5
Has this actually happened, or is it just speculation and paranoia? What McC "lesser blends" produced in the large-size tins would be worth so much less than 40th, considering the whole company is going out of business? I'm skeptical that this is "a thing." Speculation and paranoia at this point. The issue is that the McClelland labels aren't glued to the tins and are easy to slip off. I suppose one could replace the label on a lesser worthy, assuming that the tin was the same shape. It sounds like a lot of work for little to no profit. Tins of 40th have only the year stamped on the bottom of them. The other blends have two digits before the year. I've seen a suspicious looking bag or two of "Esoterica" coming out of China. That would be an easier fake to do. What sable said. "...It sounds like a lot of work for little to no profit." I once sold a used Aldo Velani pipe on eBay for $33, The buyer returned it saying that he was a collector of and an expert on Aldo Velani pipes and that the way the pipe was made and the nomenclature caused him to note that it was a forgery. A Dunhill forgery, maybe. An Aldo Velani... uh, no. If you bought at tin of 40th Anniversary at retail for $17, and swapped it out with another 100g tin of something you paid $17 for, you are at break even. You then do the work to swap out the label, put it on eBay, sell it for $50, pay the eBay and PayPal fees, and net yourself about $25. I can only go by past history, but in 10-years of running my private website, and selling thousands of tins, I've never (that I could tell), seen one come in that I thought was a fake. And for the truly valuable tins, it would cost more to get the proper machinery to forge the tin and label than one would get selling the tin afterwards. Pipestud |
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Post by jpberg on Mar 6, 2018 11:12:35 GMT -5
The anniversary tin I have is wrapped in white paper with the wax seal. Is it that one? Also- I bought mine some time back, so I doubt it's a fake. Different blends. |
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