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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 18:04:24 GMT -5
I believe we will continue to see more closings of brands as we go to 2021. I predict companies like Fribourg & Treyer, Astleys, Wessex and maybe even Rattray's could be out of business in the next few years. PC lists 11 Wessex blends only 1 is in stock. Sp lists 13 Wessex and 6 are out of stock. They are listing only 8 different blends for Rattray and only 2 are in stock. SP lists 36 different Rattray's blends and they have 16 out of stock. SP lists 11 different blends from F&T and PC lists only 1. PC lists only 11 Solani blends and has only 3 in stock. Sp lists 18 Solani blends and all are in stock. They no longer carry anything from Dan Tobacco and list only one blend from Peter Heinrichs. I don't know what is going on with PC. It seems to me that they are divesting themselves of many of the smaller boutique European mfgs. Do they know something the rest of us don't, I have no idea but something is fishy. Thing is, all those companies are own by larger conglomerates. According to TR: F&T is Planta, while Astley's, Rattray, Solani, and Wessex are all K&K. I know a lot of older guys bemoan that none of them are what they used to be, but I'm glad they're all still out there. K&K also does McConnell, Robert Lewis, James Fox, even some Peterson. While I don't think such a large company would fold any time soon, I guess they could dump all these brands which would be a shame. P&C has stopped carrying various blends, but it may be a distribution or profit margin issue rather than something more gloomy. So thinking about all this, further consolidation is probably the future of pipe tobacco, with a a couple of large corporations owning everything. I just hope they allow them to retain some individuality and freedom to innovate. |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 7, 2018 18:08:24 GMT -5
Very well said Chico. I agree with them allowing them to retain some individuality and freedom to innovate. Otherwise, we'll be down to a few generic blends under different names!
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 7, 2018 18:35:41 GMT -5
See my thread.......https://thebriarpatchforum.com/thread/3001/fda-deeming-rules.
What do you think about it?
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Post by slowroll on Mar 7, 2018 18:55:37 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think we need to be overly concerned as yet because a couple who finally decided they wanted to retire, retired. I understand that very well, being in that age group. No reason for it to propagate thru the industry unless the FDA regs finally become onerous, and we(or they) just don't know yet. IMO, the Industry is really no different than it was a month ago, except that McC people decided to pack it up.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 19:24:05 GMT -5
Closures, increased tax snooping by State auditors, this second era, good old days phase may have run its course.
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Post by peteguy on Mar 7, 2018 19:40:39 GMT -5
Every McClelland blend I like can easily be replaced except for one - 5100. If I were in this industry (cough *SToP* cough) I would be trying to create a bulk red VA that is as good. Seems like everybody who hand blends, house blended or creates franken blends used that as a staple. Of course I have no idea about profit margins on 5100 so maybe it isn't worth it.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 7, 2018 19:59:50 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think we need to be overly concerned as yet because a couple who finally decided they wanted to retire, retired. I understand that very well, being in that age group. No reason for it to propagate thru the industry unless the FDA regs finally become onerous, and we(or they) just don't know yet. IMO, the Industry is really no different than it was a month ago, except that McC people decided to pack it up. I believe that you are correct as to the industry being no different than it was, but I I believe that they are concerned with future regulations. They aren't going to invest in future R&D, only to see their efforts wasted by government regulation. |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 7, 2018 20:58:20 GMT -5
Let us not forget Cigars Int'l, which is owned by STG as is Lane. Wh9ile Russ O. has not introduced a new blend in well over a year P&C and Hearth&Home blends number over 170 combined. Having said that my money would still be on C&D. They remain active in creating new things despite the FDA Deeming rules. Maybe they know something we don't in that respect or they just don't care, which I find appealing. Look closely at those "new" C&D offerings. They are old blends with new names. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 21:20:02 GMT -5
Let us not forget Cigars Int'l, which is owned by STG as is Lane. Wh9ile Russ O. has not introduced a new blend in well over a year P&C and Hearth&Home blends number over 170 combined. Having said that my money would still be on C&D. They remain active in creating new things despite the FDA Deeming rules. Maybe they know something we don't in that respect or they just don't care, which I find appealing. Look closely at those "new" C&D offerings. They are old blends with new names. Does that include the "Old Ones" line etc.? |
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 7, 2018 22:19:46 GMT -5
Look closely at those "new" C&D offerings. They are old blends with new names. Does that include the "Old Ones" line etc.? Think about the name of the line.... 🤔😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:09:57 GMT -5
Does that include the "Old Ones" line etc.? Think about the name of the line.... 🤔😁 I see what they did there.... Clever. |
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Post by slowroll on Mar 7, 2018 23:13:34 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think we need to be overly concerned as yet because a couple who finally decided they wanted to retire, retired. I understand that very well, being in that age group. No reason for it to propagate thru the industry unless the FDA regs finally become onerous, and we(or they) just don't know yet. IMO, the Industry is really no different than it was a month ago, except that McC people decided to pack it up. I believe that you are correct as to the industry being no different than it was, but I I believe that they are concerned with future regulations. They aren't going to invest in future R&D, only to see their efforts wasted by government regulation. Oh, of course. That s why I said what I did in my first podt. I dont think they are going to try to emulate any McC stuff or bring out new lines. They'll keep doing what they're doing until the regs become clear, with one less competitor. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2018 23:19:55 GMT -5
Beware the Ides of March . . . . . .just sayin'.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 8, 2018 4:14:28 GMT -5
Thought Smokingpipes was independent, good to know. Laudisi owns smoking pipes and c&d Brain fart. MacBaran owns Sutliff, not Laudisi...yet. It remains to be seen what other changes will happen to the marketplace, especially after 8/8/2021. Older firms with a wider range of pre 2007 blends will be in a better position to continue in the marketplace. The history of pipe tobacco is littered with vanished blends, but new ones would crop up to replace them. That's not now the case. But given that there were substantially fewer blends available 40+ years ago than now, and pipe smokers enjoyed what was available then without feeling limited, we may just sail happily along for quite awhile longer. |
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Post by Darin on Mar 8, 2018 7:41:07 GMT -5
Every McClelland blend I like can easily be replaced except for one - 5100. If I were in this industry (cough *SToP* cough) I would be trying to create a bulk red VA that is as good. Seems like everybody who hand blends, house blended or creates franken blends used that as a staple. Of course I have no idea about profit margins on 5100 so maybe it isn't worth it. I'm working on it ... PM sent.  |
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