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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 8, 2018 15:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 8, 2018 15:06:04 GMT -5
...speaking only for myself, I have never felt the need to go to these lengths...
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 8, 2018 15:12:27 GMT -5
Either have I. But some smokers swear that it 'freshens' the pipe, completely removing any traces of bad taste . Especially with estate pipes. Looking forward to what some of our members have to say on the matter.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 8, 2018 15:17:42 GMT -5
Either have I. But some smokers swear that it 'freshens' the pipe, completely removing any traces of bad taste . Especially with estate pipes. Looking forward to what some of our members have to say on the matter. ...I suppose I've been lucky... after purchasing over 100 estate pipes, none of the *ghosts* have bothered me...
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 8, 2018 15:18:12 GMT -5
I have used the salt treatment on estate pipes. The lessons I learned: I use a small/medium sized Tupperware filled with rice so I can tilt the bowl slightly forward away from the stem so alcohol doesn't get into the stem and the bowl will sit for 24 hours without moving, I fill the bowl halfway full with salt and added just a few drops of alcohol with an eye dropper then filled the bowl slightly below the rim and add a few more drops. It was easy to use too much alcohol so the amount to use will come with trial and error but start by adding slowly. As I didn't smoke the estate pipe before cleaning, I can only assume it worked but the salt was dark yellow to brown in color after 24 hours so I know residue was leeched from the remaining very thin cake layer (I reamed out the existing cake and left just a bit for easy re-break in). You don't want alcohol on the briar as it will discolor and remove some or possibly all of the finish. That is my experience anyway. With estate pipes you have no idea what they smoked and I want to be able to start fresh.
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Post by mwps70 on Mar 8, 2018 15:19:49 GMT -5
As a P.S. the estates that I have used the salt treatment on had not been cleaned and those are the only situations that I have used the salt treatment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 15:23:13 GMT -5
I quilt the salt treatment as I mentioned in a recent post, White Vinegar and cotton balls work better. The simplest treatment is damp coffee grounds left in the bowl to dry (if ghosting is not severe).
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 8, 2018 15:25:58 GMT -5
Either have I. But some smokers swear that it 'freshens' the pipe, completely removing any traces of bad taste . Especially with estate pipes. Looking forward to what some of our members have to say on the matter. ...I suppose I've been lucky... after purchasing over 100 estate pipes, none of the *ghosts* have bothered me... You must have had 'Casper' Friendy Ghosts!
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 8, 2018 15:32:55 GMT -5
...I suppose I've been lucky... after purchasing over 100 estate pipes, none of the *ghosts* have bothered me... You must have had 'Casper' Friendy Ghosts! ...I'm guessing I have less discriminating taste buds than other smokers... I like a very wide selection of tobaccos for different reasons...
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 8, 2018 15:46:26 GMT -5
I think that you're right on with that Philosophy!
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 8, 2018 15:49:07 GMT -5
...lol, you should see my open tins shelf... other smokers would go WTF???
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 15:51:15 GMT -5
I have been defeated by estates that were dedicated high nicotine pipes. Nothing I tried could salvage them.
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 8, 2018 15:53:43 GMT -5
I have been defeated by estates that were dedicated high nicotine pipes. Nothing I tried could salvage them. ...I have heard this from other smokers for years... again, I've been fortunate.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Mar 8, 2018 15:55:21 GMT -5
Smoking a very wide selection of tobaccos for different reasons is a smart idea, so that you don't get screwed when a certain brand 'goes under', much as McClelland did, and Dunhill is about to. Although you have a stash set aside, you have the option of other blends at your disposal which you can enjoy just as much.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 8, 2018 18:42:44 GMT -5
I've used the salt and alcohol treatment quite often on estate pipes and refurbishment for people, it works very well. No destructive effects at all. I like it better than vinegar because vinegar is water based and the vinegar is liable to linger. Another treatment for not too pernicious ghosts is filling the bowl with activated charcoal and baking it a toaster oven for 3-5 hours at about 180 deg. F. Sometimes the coffee grounds treatment works, but only for mild ghosting.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 8, 2018 18:57:31 GMT -5
I quilt the salt treatment as I mentioned in a recent post, White Vinegar and cotton balls work better. The simplest treatment is damp coffee grounds left in the bowl to dry (if ghosting is not severe). Coffee grounds are the simplest, you say, but are they at effective as the other methods?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 19:02:33 GMT -5
as I mentioned, if not major. as most pipers have them handy, it is a good first step to determine if a more involved technique is required.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 8, 2018 19:05:43 GMT -5
as I mentioned, if not major. as most pipers have them handy, it is a good first step to determine if a more involved technique is required. OK. Cheers for that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 20:49:28 GMT -5
I use cotton balls and cheap whisky. Not as messy as salt, and works great. If you want the whisky taste (which burns off after a couple of bowls) you can use vodka. I know some guys use Everclear because it's higher alcohol %, but I'm not that fussy.
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Post by Ronv69 on Mar 8, 2018 21:16:19 GMT -5
I used it once. It made a little difference. The retort treatment works better for me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2018 23:03:25 GMT -5
I have used the salt treatment on estate pipes. The lessons I learned: I use a small/medium sized Tupperware filled with rice so I can tilt the bowl slightly forward away from the stem so alcohol doesn't get into the stem and the bowl will sit for 24 hours without moving, I fill the bowl halfway full with salt and added just a few drops of alcohol with an eye dropper then filled the bowl slightly below the rim and add a few more drops. It was easy to use too much alcohol so the amount to use will come with trial and error but start by adding slowly. As I didn't smoke the estate pipe before cleaning, I can only assume it worked but the salt was dark yellow to brown in color after 24 hours so I know residue was leeched from the remaining very thin cake layer (I reamed out the existing cake and left just a bit for easy re-break in). You don't want alcohol on the briar as it will discolor and remove some or possibly all of the finish. That is my experience anyway. With estate pipes you have no idea what they smoked and I want to be able to start fresh. That's a great idea using the rice in Tupperware to rest/tilt your bowl/shank slightly forwards. I've used a pipe rest which gives me the tilt. I've only have had to use the alcohol/salt treatment a couple of times, when purchasing some used pipes in an "as is" condition. Meaning, they needed that TLC of reaming, slightly sanding the inside of the bowl, sticking a couple of pipe cleaners into the mortise/air draft area and on into the bottom of the bowl; filling the bowl almost up to the top with Kosher salt, and using an eyedropper to administer Jack Daniels until the top of the salt is in a slightly moist (not mushy) condition. Over the next 24 hrs or so, the nicotine and other residue will drain onto the pipe cleaners and leach outward from the mortise area. You can repeat the process again if you feel it is necessary, or dump your salt, clean/brush out the inside tobacco chamber area and let that sucker dry out. You're good to go Most estate pipes that I've purchased online from individuals/retailers have already gone through this, or maybe a similar process, and are ready to pack your favorite pipe tobacco and smoke right from the box...
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Post by trailboss on Mar 9, 2018 0:07:34 GMT -5
I have used the rock salt and everclear treatment, and it does a pretty good job of taking care of s pipe when it goes sour... frankly, I don’t see how coffee grounds could be effective as the alcohol treatment that acts as a solvent, without leaving your pipe tasting like a solvent was used, but clean and fresh.
The pipe retort is pretty effective at dissolving the crud throughout the plumbing of the pipe, a pipe that doesn’t seem so bad initially can hide some nasty goo that boiled alcohol is very effective at exorcising the demons with... a necessity for me when getting a well used estate.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 9, 2018 0:15:42 GMT -5
It's true that a retort works best on a pipe that's really vile. I only use it on a really foul estate, or if someone wants it. I did a test once on a pipe that smoked very well but I thought was getting a bit sour. It smoked kinda bland after that. It seems that it can/might also boil out whatever makes a briar taste really good.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 1:02:27 GMT -5
Salt and alcohol cracked the only pipe left from my grandfather's collection. Rare name. Rare Ooom Poul
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 9, 2018 1:06:33 GMT -5
Salt and alcohol cracked the only pipe left from my grandfather's collection. Rare name. Rare Ooom Poul ...this kind of thing is tragic, and why I've eschewed these elaborate treatments... ream and sand the bowl interior, run an alcohol-soaked pipe cleaner through the pipe and call it good... tobacco *ghosting* is, IMHO, much ado about nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 1:15:05 GMT -5
Salt and alcohol cracked the only pipe left from my grandfather's collection. Rare name. Rare Ooom Poul ...this kind of thing is tragic, and why I've eschewed these elaborate treatments... ream and sand the bowl interior, run an alcohol-soaked pipe cleaner through the pipe and call it good... tobacco *ghosting* is, IMHO, much ado about nothing. On a couple of newer pipes I couldn't get the taste of salt out after total OCD washings. It's just not worth it. I have had good luck using Green Alcohol, which is what Pipe Sweetener is. You have to watch that the green is from spearmint not menthol
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 9, 2018 1:19:44 GMT -5
...this kind of thing is tragic, and why I've eschewed these elaborate treatments... ream and sand the bowl interior, run an alcohol-soaked pipe cleaner through the pipe and call it good... tobacco *ghosting* is, IMHO, much ado about nothing. On a couple of newer pipes I couldn't get the taste of salt out after total OCD washings. It's just not worth it. I have had good luck using Green Alcohol, which is what Pipe Sweetener is. You have to watch that the green is from spearmint not menthol ...at the risk of being reprimanded, I say... look, it's an estate pipe. It's been smoked, maybe with tobacco I don't care for. If you ream, sand and sterilize, so-called *ghosts* vanish in a few smokes. It's a f***ing pipe, not brain surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2018 1:22:50 GMT -5
On a couple of newer pipes I couldn't get the taste of salt out after total OCD washings. It's just not worth it. I have had good luck using Green Alcohol, which is what Pipe Sweetener is. You have to watch that the green is from spearmint not menthol ...at the risk of being reprimanded, I say... look, it's an estate pipe. It's been smoked, maybe with tobacco I don't care for. If you ream, sand and sterilize, so-called *ghosts* vanish in a few smokes. It's a f***ing pipe, not brain surgery. It's brain surgery for those of us who don't know wtf we're doing. Damnit Jim! I'm a country doctor not a brain surgeon! (someone will get that)
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 9, 2018 1:24:21 GMT -5
...at the risk of being reprimanded, I say... look, it's an estate pipe. It's been smoked, maybe with tobacco I don't care for. If you ream, sand and sterilize, so-called *ghosts* vanish in a few smokes. It's a f***ing pipe, not brain surgery. It's brain surgery for those of us who don't know wtf we're doing. Damnit Jim! I'm a country doctor not a brain surgeon! (someone will get that) ...I did...
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 9, 2018 3:47:24 GMT -5
Question....
How do you get the salt / alcohol mixture out of the pipe? Do you rinse it with something, give it a shake and a rub, put a hose-pipe on the end and flush it with water???
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