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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 14, 2018 11:07:49 GMT -5
I smoked my newly acquired bent Dublin last night and it gurgled... Like all my other bent pipes (even my cobbit shire, which isn't really bent but it's more bent than straight).
I think the reason is because I exhale with the stem still in my mouth, therefore forcing some of the moist smoke in my mouth down the stem. That moisture condenses in the stem and gravity does the rest. I noticed the point of gurgle is in the stem and not the bowl.
None of my straight pipes gurgle (cob or briar) so I'm concluding it's the way I smoke.
Does anyone have a similar experience?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 11:13:08 GMT -5
Shelby Foote, noted and beloved Civil War Historian and Pipe Smoker blamed gurgling on bent stems. I am sure technique is involved, too.
As to blowing smoke back through, there is a method of puffing, I think Charlie can help here, where you do breathe back through your pipe. Hopefully, he'll chime in. Mutton Chop Piper on YouTube does a video on this.
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Post by beardedmi on Mar 14, 2018 11:29:08 GMT -5
Part of the combustion process is changing the chemical bonds and creating new ones. So when you burn tobacco you get smoke, heat and any residual moisture is released as condensation. I have a drool issue and have many bent pipes that dont gurgle. I've found that new pipes gurgle more than well seasoned pipes. I've gotten fewer gurgly smokes as I've learned slower smoking habits. The biggest contributor to gurgles is disturbance in air flow so anywhere theres a sharp corner in the air oassage there is the likelihood of condensation collecting and causing a gurgle by creating a bubbling point. Engineering in pipes boils down to smooth airflow, where there are significant sudden changes in diameter you will be more apt to hear a gurgle. I believe that cleaning pipes as one piece will help maintain a smooth airway by letting tar and moisture smooth the airway as you smoke and clean as a single piece. Ymmv
Edit: I clench way more than I probably should and drool happens for me as well. I exhale with the stem in my mouth consistently, but its more like releasing smoke than exhaling.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 14, 2018 11:35:30 GMT -5
I find bents do tend to gurgle more, and the deeper the bend, the more likely. The unavoidable sump in a deep bent is going to cause more condensation; in a shallower bent the transition contributes to condensation. All this why Peterson has their system, and Savinelli has their balsas. If there's a gap between the tenon and the mortice floor, it'll cause condensation, straight or bent. I also find that drier tobacco and lower humidity days reduce condensation. I exhale thru the stem all the time and don't find any greater tendency to gurgle, except as above. Of course, heavy puffing, in or out, will contribute to pulling more ambient moisture into the pipe. It all eventually finds it's way into the stem. A reasonable indicator of where the moisture is coming from is a pipe cleaner thru the stem only. If it's brown, it's coming thru the pipe, if it's clear but wet, you're drooling.
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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 14, 2018 12:46:33 GMT -5
I clench most of the time and blow smoke out my nose and my mouth while the pipe is in my mouth. My north American artisan made pipes don't gurgle, ever. Full bent, 1/4,1/8 and straight pipes that are made to exacting standards just never gurgle. A few of my Willmers that have stems too constricted will gurgle and I need to have them opened up. Where there is turbulence there will be gurgling, laws of physics.
It is all about the internals and stem design. Sure you can dry your tobacco and work on you cadence but if your pipe is built wrong, it doesn't matter what you do it will gurgle. I know how to smoke and keep my tobacco at a perfect humidity, but the Willmers with restricted stems will gurgle no matter what I do.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 14, 2018 12:56:35 GMT -5
Thanks for your input. Maybe my pipes are poorly built. It's not a big issue really... If I perchase and use straight pipes, I won't have this issue.
Or, I buy filtered bent pipes. I've one Mr brog filtered pipe and it doesn't gurgle. I'm assuming the filter catches the moisture.
As for the breathing method. I have tried that at times. Not sure it really does it for me. When I mentioned exhaling with the stem in the mouth, it was more by way of expelling the smoke into the air (not through the pipe) while the stem just happens to be in the mouth (and therefore some will inevitably enter the pipe).
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Post by peteguy on Mar 14, 2018 22:50:48 GMT -5
I certainly don't hold my breath when I smoke and clench.  I never noticed before. If it starts to get a bit of a gurgle going I just run a pipe cleaner down to the bowl. If the pipe wont pass a cleaner then I just put up with the gurgle. Makes me go slower which is usually a good thing anyway. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2018 22:51:15 GMT -5
I do.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Mar 15, 2018 19:19:15 GMT -5
Part of the combustion process is changing the chemical bonds and creating new ones. So when you burn tobacco you get smoke, heat and any residual moisture is released as condensation. I have a drool issue and have many bent pipes that dont gurgle. I've found that new pipes gurgle more than well seasoned pipes. I've gotten fewer gurgly smokes as I've learned slower smoking habits. The biggest contributor to gurgles is disturbance in air flow so anywhere theres a sharp corner in the air oassage there is the likelihood of condensation collecting and causing a gurgle by creating a bubbling point. Engineering in pipes boils down to smooth airflow, where there are significant sudden changes in diameter you will be more apt to hear a gurgle. I believe that cleaning pipes as one piece will help maintain a smooth airway by letting tar and moisture smooth the airway as you smoke and clean as a single piece. Ymmv Edit: I clench way more than I probably should and drool happens for me as well. I exhale with the stem in my mouth consistently, but its more like releasing smoke than exhaling. Not cleaning out the mortise can result in a sour tasting pipe. If enough gunk builds up, it can force the tenon out and cause a gap between shank and stem. |
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Post by trailboss on Mar 15, 2018 23:47:55 GMT -5
Part of the combustion process is changing the chemical bonds and creating new ones. So when you burn tobacco you get smoke, heat and any residual moisture is released as condensation. I have a drool issue and have many bent pipes that dont gurgle. I've found that new pipes gurgle more than well seasoned pipes. I've gotten fewer gurgly smokes as I've learned slower smoking habits. The biggest contributor to gurgles is disturbance in air flow so anywhere theres a sharp corner in the air oassage there is the likelihood of condensation collecting and causing a gurgle by creating a bubbling point. Engineering in pipes boils down to smooth airflow, where there are significant sudden changes in diameter you will be more apt to hear a gurgle. I believe that cleaning pipes as one piece will help maintain a smooth airway by letting tar and moisture smooth the airway as you smoke and clean as a single piece. Ymmv Edit: I clench way more than I probably should and drool happens for me as well. I exhale with the stem in my mouth consistently, but its more like releasing smoke than exhaling. Not cleaning out the mortise can result in a sour tasting pipe. If enough gunk builds up, it can force the tenon out and cause a gap between shank and stem. Good point, all kinds of nastiness and putridity can stew and ferment in the shank and mortise making it seem like you are sucking on tobacco beetle feces. Good housekeeping is a must. I do exhale through the stem lightly at time...from someone that offered advice that worked for me... |
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Post by Dramatwist on Mar 16, 2018 1:30:02 GMT -5
...usually not...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 1:35:53 GMT -5
I don't clench, but do slightly and inadvertantly exhale through the pipe sometimes.
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Post by crapgame on Mar 16, 2018 6:36:18 GMT -5
Don't exhale through the pipe but do exhale with the pipe in my mouth.
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 16, 2018 7:02:21 GMT -5
Don't exhale through the pipe but do exhale with the pipe in my mouth. That's a more succinct way of saying what I wanted to say. |
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Post by Darin on Mar 16, 2018 10:09:46 GMT -5
Frequently ... I start with very well-dried tobacco, though.
I also breathe lightly through cigars on occasion if the taste note starts getting a little "off" ... works well.
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Post by Baboo on Mar 16, 2018 10:19:29 GMT -5
I sometimes stoke the dwindling embers by drawing in air and puffing out through the stem a few times... this of course introduces more moisture throughout.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Mar 16, 2018 12:16:56 GMT -5
Mostly, I don't clench, but when I do I'll exhale out my schnoz or the side of my mouth. The only time I've experienced any kind of gurgling is when I've been a bit too impatient to properly dry out my tobacco.
On another note, cleaning your pipe without ever taking the stem out to clean the mortise is not a good idea. Over time, the deposits in the mortise will go rancid, making your pipe go sour. When you're going to do a final cleaning for the day, always take a moment to clean and dry out the mortise. A clean pipe is a happy pipe.
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Post by cigrmaster on Mar 16, 2018 15:55:37 GMT -5
Jesse, everyone should use my cleaning methods for their pipes. It isn't like I am OCD or anything.  |
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 16, 2018 16:00:13 GMT -5
I take my pipes apart and give them a good going over with the pipe-cleaner. I'm used to taking them apart when they are still warm cos I am used to cobs. now I have some briars, I need to make sure to let them cool first.
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Post by slowroll on Mar 16, 2018 18:37:17 GMT -5
I take my pipes apart and give them a good going over with the pipe-cleaner. I'm used to taking them apart when they are still warm cos I am used to cobs. now I have some briars, I need to make sure to let them cool first. Ssh -- tell you a secret -- I've been taking my pipes apart to clean 'em while warm for 40 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2018 0:02:42 GMT -5
Don't exhale through the pipe but do exhale with the pipe in my mouth. That's a more succinct way of saying what I wanted to say. Yep, that's what I meant as well. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Mar 17, 2018 6:41:44 GMT -5
I take my pipes apart and give them a good going over with the pipe-cleaner. I'm used to taking them apart when they are still warm cos I am used to cobs. now I have some briars, I need to make sure to let them cool first. Ssh -- tell you a secret -- I've been taking my pipes apart to clean 'em while warm for 40 years. I won't tell anyone. |
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