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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 0:32:13 GMT -5
What would you say was the biggest story to hit the pipe smoking world during 2017(ish)? |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 4, 2018 3:51:50 GMT -5
It was between dunhill and mcclelland for me but I think mcclelland beat it... Although that might be because it's freshest in my memory.
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Post by cappadoc on Apr 4, 2018 8:48:31 GMT -5
McClelland was 2018, no?
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 4, 2018 10:01:09 GMT -5
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 10:19:51 GMT -5
Early 2018 but you have to figure that plans were in place since 2017. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 4, 2018 11:09:11 GMT -5
Early 2018 but you have to figure that plans were in place since 2017. Nice save. |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Apr 4, 2018 12:56:12 GMT -5
The end of subsidies is, to me, the most important story. It's led to many growers turning to other crops, a continued loss of leaf, declining quality, and also contributed to the McNeil's decision to close down McClelland.
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Post by cigrmaster on Apr 4, 2018 13:53:10 GMT -5
I say Mc closing up is the biggest. True the subsidies is a big one as well, but the MC was a more personal story for many pipe smokers.
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 14:37:13 GMT -5
The end of subsidies is, to me, the most important story. It's led to many growers turning to other crops, a continued loss of leaf, declining quality, and also contributed to the McNeil's decision to close down McClelland. I'm in full agreement on this. It's probably the biggest hit to production since the development of expanded leaf cigarettes. |
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Post by Sorringowl on Apr 4, 2018 15:55:02 GMT -5
McC closing down was definitely a bummer, but, thanks to sablebrush52 I see why. Too bad, maybe, though, that might lead to smaller blenders popping up or getting more popular. I have always tried to taste house blends whenever I go to a B&M, and many are very good! Maybe more pipe smokers will give those smaller B&M blenders (who can use the extra business) a try. We'll see.
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Post by daveinlax on Apr 4, 2018 16:49:24 GMT -5
Tobacco subsidies ended long(15+?? years)ago. Mike was buying high grade raw leaf at the middleman level and IMO that pretty much disappeared with the most tobacco auctions when big tobacco started contracting directly with farmers.  |
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 18:06:23 GMT -5
Tobacco subsidies ended long(15+?? years)ago. Mike was buying high grade raw leaf at the middleman level and IMO that pretty much disappeared with the most tobacco auctions when big tobacco started contracting directly with farmers. From what I can find direct subsidies for production (price supports) ended in 2004. Yet there were other programs still in place: Payment, Loss Assistance, and Transition programs which ended by 2016-18 (https://farm.ewg.org/progdetail.php?fips=00000&progcode=tobacco) and crop insurance (now you only get it depending on what crop you cultivate) which ended this year. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 21:43:55 GMT -5
Payment loss would no doubt be the most important, but McC has the edge (IMO) on public perception. Vs. Dunhill McC has multiple times the blends DH has. And, with all the blenders that use McC product it is probably the biggest loss, but the subsidies will have the longest term impact, ergo the most important
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 22:02:16 GMT -5
Mcclelland closing the doors without prior warning to its patrons!
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Post by zambini on Apr 5, 2018 10:18:36 GMT -5
Payment loss would no doubt be the most important, but McC has the edge (IMO) on public perception. Vs. Dunhill McC has multiple times the blends DH has. And, with all the blenders that use McC product it is probably the biggest loss, but the subsidies will have the longest term impact, ergo the most important I think that the impact of losing Dunhill is partly to do with how emblematic its line is but mostly has to do with the reasoning behind ending its licensing agreement. It sort of feels like a black-eye for the industry to lose one of (if not the) its best selling lines in exchange for the potential profits to be made selling socks and jackets in the Middle East and Canada under the Dunhill name. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2018 13:48:09 GMT -5
Mcclelland closing the doors without prior warning to its patrons! Or rather, selective warning to those in the know who were able to stock up before us plebs got any reliable information.... by which time it was too late. |
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Post by zambini on Apr 5, 2018 13:50:45 GMT -5
Mcclelland closing the doors without prior warning to its patrons! Or rather, selective warning to those in the know who were able to stock up before us plebs got any reliable information.... by which time it was too late. I also get the sense that some fellow pipers were better informed than others with regards to this news. Maybe the piping world needs more and better press coverage? |
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