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Post by trailboss on Apr 4, 2018 2:17:22 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong, I am sure that service animals provide a benefit to certain segments of our society. I have read articles where volunteers bring dogs to retirement facilities to brighten the lives of shut ins, and returning veterans benefiting from the companionship of a dog...but I think that the situation is ripe for abuse. Case in point...About 5 years ago, a woman carried her dog into a McDonalds, initially the cashier pushed back, telling the woman that dogs weren't allowed..."It's allright, this dog is my service animal" the woman said...a minute later. someone in the back dropped a rack, the dog leapt from the woman's arms and urinated on the counter that food was to be scooted to a hungry customer on. Yesterday, I went to my local Albertson's store and a 30 something year old put her cute mini-poodle into the basket as she walked through the store...I complained to the manager that if they let dogs sit in the shopping carts I wasn't interested in shopping there anymore...I don't want to think my groceries reside where a dogs butt was and their snout either considering where they are prone to dig their butts and snouts into. His response.."we do have a sign on the door that the dog must have a service vest"..... Yeah...tough certification there.  www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=service+vest+for+dogsA service dog shouldn't need to be carried by those professing that the dog is there to service them?...Bass Ackwards, I would say. Even the panhandlers realize that a chained dog next to them will increase the tips from animal lovers as they drag Fido out to help animal lovers feel a sense of giving when they see a pooch out in 110+ heat in the desert southwest. You will not find a bigger dog lover than me, and I hate the thought of regulations, people should be self governing...but this is getting ridiculous. Not sure that I have any answers, just wanted to rant. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 4, 2018 3:55:52 GMT -5
Sounds like in those cases they weren't proper service dogs. If so that's an abuse of the system.
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Post by herbinedave on Apr 4, 2018 10:23:32 GMT -5
Service dogs cost upwards of $20,000.00 to train a dog for a veteran. Also takes more then a year and much time for the person the dog is being matched up with. Needless to say, the dogs you are talking about are companion dogs. No training and no doubt the person's pet.
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 10:28:53 GMT -5
Service dogs cost upwards of $20,000.00 to train a dog for a veteran. Also takes more then a year and much time for the person the dog is being matched up with. Needless to say, the dogs you are talking about are companion dogs. No training and no doubt the person's pet. How does it work in the US? Are service animals licensed or accredited in some way at the local or state level? |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Apr 4, 2018 10:30:22 GMT -5
 Agreed Dave, we have a service dog trainer by my farm, and his pet peeve is how dispicale bastards are muddling the waters between service dogs and companion dogs.
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Post by toshtego on Apr 4, 2018 11:05:18 GMT -5
A neigbor's daughter, now in her 30s, is non-hearing. She has a Service Dog. Dog wears vest and is trained. She has been kicked out of MacDonald's, no loss there, and several stores in Taos. The MacDonald's situation turned violent since she cannot hear and the manager was an ogre. Law suit followed. It seems the service dog situation is not well enough understood.
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Post by herbinedave on Apr 4, 2018 11:29:19 GMT -5
Service dogs cost upwards of $20,000.00 to train a dog for a veteran. Also takes more then a year and much time for the person the dog is being matched up with. Needless to say, the dogs you are talking about are companion dogs. No training and no doubt the person's pet. How does it work in the US? Are service animals licensed or accredited in some way at the local or state level? I believe if you want a per diem from the VA the dog must be accredited. |
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 11:40:15 GMT -5
How does it work in the US? Are service animals licensed or accredited in some way at the local or state level? I believe if you want a per diem from the VA the dog must be accredited. What about non-VA dogs? |
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Post by herbinedave on Apr 4, 2018 11:59:01 GMT -5
I believe if you want a per diem from the VA the dog must be accredited. What about non-VA dogs? Google it my friend. I am lazy and you can do the same as I would have to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 13:30:26 GMT -5
If dogs were allowed everywhere humans were, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems. Humans aren't allowed to urinate on countertops at McDonalds (as far as I know), but they are allowed in shopping centers, supermarkets and restaurants. A well trained, well-behaved dog shouldn't disturb anybody, and if it does there should be consequences for the owner.
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Post by cigrmaster on Apr 4, 2018 14:10:27 GMT -5
trailboss, do you know for a fact that the woman in Albertsons doesn't have anxiety issues that stop her from going out in public without her dog? Why would you make a big deal of this if you don't know the facts? You have no idea what that womans issues are and you also don't know that she is taking advantage of the system. You never spoke with the woman herself so you know nothing about her. You assumed she was taking advantage but you don't know for sure.
Just because she is in her thirties you assume she has no issues?
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 14:30:10 GMT -5
Google it my friend. I am lazy and you can do the same as I would have to do. From what I can find, there is no central accrediting institute (i.e. no one who accredits the accreditors) and there are several online places to get accreditation for an animal. Also most states don't seem to have standards for service animals on the books and I'm not bothering to check by locality. In Mexico this isn't really a thing yet; there are service animals but they're very rare to see. |
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Post by zambini on Apr 4, 2018 14:31:43 GMT -5
If dogs were allowed everywhere humans were, we wouldn't have these kinds of problems. Humans aren't allowed to urinate on countertops at McDonalds (as far as I know), but they are allowed in shopping centers, supermarkets and restaurants. A well trained, well-behaved dog shouldn't disturb anybody, and if it does there should be consequences for the owner. I don't know, local health codes usually prevent the presence of animals where food is served or prepared. I'm guessing health inspectors have their reasons for this. |
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Post by Baboo on Apr 4, 2018 14:37:32 GMT -5
I prefer the good manners (and cleanliness) of animals over most people. Men, women, and children use the public crappers without washing their hands when finished with their dirty business... then head right over to the food counter to order and pick up their slop... then, when finished wiping their slobbering faces after desert they head for the door spreading their hand-accumulated filth onto the door handle... yadayadayada - not much diff than dogs, and often much worse. Not failing to mention where humans nuzzle their faces when engaged in lower quadrant bedroom activities... how about sneeze vapors and flu snot?... shall i go on? That such newsy examples tend to vilify animals and their appropriateness in our public spaces annoys me no end.
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Post by gav on Apr 4, 2018 15:00:37 GMT -5
Big difference between a service animal and what you may have seen.
Other species of animals, whether wild or domestic, trained or untrained, are not considered service animals. Emotional support animals, comfort animals, and therapy dogs are not service animals under Title II and Title III of the ADA. ... A doctor's letter does not give an ESA, or therapy dogs public access rights.
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Post by daveinlax on Apr 4, 2018 17:03:00 GMT -5
All it takes is a few bucks for a vest, ID and paperwork package and you've got a "service" dog.  |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 4, 2018 17:03:27 GMT -5
trailboss, do you know for a fact that the woman in Albertsons doesn't have anxiety issues that stop her from going out in public without her dog? Why would you make a big deal of this if you don't know the facts? You have no idea what that womans issues are and you also don't know that she is taking advantage of the system. You never spoke with the woman herself so you know nothing about her. You assumed she was taking advantage but you don't know for sure. Just because she is in her thirties you assume she has no issues? No, I obviously never analyzed, nor am I trained to determine whatever medical problems that she is or isn’t facing. I got out of my car the same time as her and saw that she was pretty upbeat and appeared to want to engage in conversation with anyone that looked at her dog. She carried the dog in the store and the dog sat down with his arse in the basket where others put their food to take home and consume. I personally don’t want a dogs arse sitting where I put my meats and produce..do you? The people that I have known to have legitimate service animals don’t carry them around and treat them like they are infant children...their dogs are well trained and offer silent service to their masters. Harris you sound like you make plenty of assumptions on your part... someone that chooses to put their dog in a shopping cart is deemed to have anxiety issues? |
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Post by trailboss on Apr 4, 2018 17:19:15 GMT -5
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Agreed Dave, we have a service dog trainer by my farm, and his pet peeve is how dispicale bastards are muddling the waters between service dogs and companion dogs. 
