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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 6:18:57 GMT -5
Chewing on the problem of my six (+) new " devil weed " pipes, solution, make African Olivewood bowls to fit on them, then get some quality briar for good wood bowls for them. I HATE devils weed !!!
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Post by Darin on Apr 25, 2016 17:11:05 GMT -5
I have a couple of those too ... great smokers for the herb and easily cleaned by taking apart. BTW, there is no such thing as "Devil's Weed" as he was not involved in the creation process.
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Post by sparks on Apr 25, 2016 18:44:18 GMT -5
So, what exactly is "devils weed"?
I'm a bit concerned as those pipes look more like "paraphernalia" to me than pipes.
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Post by crapgame on Apr 25, 2016 19:15:15 GMT -5
So, what exactly is "devils weed"? I'm a bit concerned as those pipes look more like "paraphernalia" to me than pipes. yeah i agree looks like something my kids would get in deep trouble for if i ever found that in their rooms
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Post by sparks on Apr 25, 2016 19:29:51 GMT -5
While I'm all for diversity in pipe smoking... I don't want content that borders on, or can be interpreted as illegal.
I knew of a forum that got shut down for such.
Sorry Stan, I had to remove the picture.
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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 19:37:02 GMT -5
So, what exactly is "devils weed"? I'm a bit concerned as those pipes look more like "paraphernalia" to me than pipes. In my book and time zone " illegal substances " are a form of devils weed, I do not know what paraphanalia is , other than pipes or whatever used for " devils weed" , I found them on Ebay , and I thought I would study them, as I posted I thought I might use them as stems for olive wood and briar bowls like the falcon system. But they are handy as a small bowl for a short smoke of my tobacco samples. As an engineer and maker, I have been studying various pipe designs for my pipe making. From my perspective, it is not the tool that is the problem but the unlawful use of those tools. they are engineered in a precise way based on historical shapes. Someone owning a gun for violent purposes is a more of an ethical and lawless issue from my time zone and moral stance. I hope it is not an issue on this forum sir?
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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 19:42:44 GMT -5
While I'm all for diversity in pipe smoking... I don't want content that borders on, or can be interpreted as illegal. I knew of a forum that got shut down for such. Sorry Stan, I had to remove the picture. I am sorry for any offence or misunderstanding I do not appreciate the laws in the USA, regarding such pipes, I was merely examining them from a craftsman maker perspective, is it illegal to own these pipes in the states, I am absolutely against illegal substances myself and as a matter of fact would use the birch on these criminals, especially the dealers, corporal punishment is to good for them. Again apologies. , I made the other post before the photos were deleted, so please feel free to delete this thread.
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Post by sparks on Apr 25, 2016 20:44:37 GMT -5
No worries, Stan. I understand that there were no ill intentions on your part. Unfortunately, the interpretation over on this side of the pond of pipes like these are always very narrow. I just don't want to risk our little forum getting any unneeded attention.
No harm, no foul.
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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 21:01:32 GMT -5
No worries, Stan. I understand that there were no ill intentions on your part. Unfortunately, the interpretation over on this side of the pond of pipes like these are always very narrow. I just don't want to risk our little forum getting any unneeded attention. No harm, no foul. Thank you for your consideration Justin, I get involved in my little Engineering and making projects with lawful intent, but I forget the "real" world of vice and corruption out there . I do wish you would "clean the slate" and delete this thread though, I prefer propriety and order, and I have made a wrong footing clearly, it troubles me now.
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Post by Darin on Apr 25, 2016 21:14:31 GMT -5
Stan ... the tides are changing here and it's becoming more legal everyday.
My state (Arizona) will be voting on it this year and I can only hope more people that would benefit from it will have access.
It's been demonized and misunderstood for far too long ... even prominent physicians are retracting their positions on it.
For those "in the know" there is far more to it than "getting high" and is FAR safer than most pharmaceuticals.
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Post by sparks on Apr 25, 2016 21:20:08 GMT -5
Stan, no need to delete the thread unless you are insistent upon it. Darin , you are correct, and I agree completely. Unfortunately, I have to walk the thin line and put the best of the forum first.
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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 21:26:20 GMT -5
Stan ... the tides are changing here and it's becoming more legal everyday. My state (Arizona) will be voting on it this year and I can only hope more people that would benefit from it will have access. It's been demonized and misunderstood for far too long ... even prominent physicians are retracting their positions on it. For those "in the know" there is far more to it than "getting high" and is FAR safer than most pharmaceuticals. Maybe it is different in the States, but here it is almost " holy war" against the damned drug cartels here, but Christians are on the retreat, in Europe we are geographically and historically determined to resist this evil, but we have the enemy within. But we must beg to differ gentlemen, as it is not appropriate for this forum. Pardon me again Justin for opening this "can of worms" and be so kind as to delete this thread, please.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 21:35:08 GMT -5
Along these lines using this device as a reference. The use of many small pipes should be considered. Mini corn cobs, pipes with very small bowls such as clays, mini Meershaums, pipes from Japan, China, Middle East weather they have historical tobacco usage or not. There is an intent of other useage of those mentioned.
Now if we were to look at the devices that Stan presented we would find they are a device that we can study the funtion of the reverse calabash. In its domain it is one of the most popular Devices.
Now let's look at it as a device doing something within our own hobby. If we wanted to sample multiple tobacco we would have to devote many minutes per tobacco. Depending on the number of tobacco you wanted to try you could be looking at hours. Now take Stans device, the Smoke would only last about 5 minutes per bowl enough time to get an introductory taste of what the tobacco has to offer. Then from this taste the decision to continue could be made.
I have no intention to cause a problem just bringing items up for thought.
John
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Post by Motto on Apr 25, 2016 21:49:20 GMT -5
Along these lines using this device as a reference. The use of many small pipes should be considered. Mini corn cobs, pipes with very small bowls such as clays, mini Meershaums, pipes from Japan, China, Middle East weather they have historical tobacco usage or not. There is an intent of other useage of those mentioned. Now if we were to look at the devices that Stan presented we would find they are a device that we can study the funtion of the reverse calabash. In its domain it is one of the most popular Devices. Now let's look at it as a device doing something within our own hobby. If we wanted to sample multiple tobacco we would have to devote many minutes per tobacco. Depending on the number of tobacco you wanted to try you could be looking at hours. Now take Stans device, the Smoke would only last about 5 minutes per bowl enough time to get an introductory taste of what the tobacco has to offer. Then from this taste the decision to continue could be made. I have no intention to cause a problem just bringing items up for thought. John I made the post in error apologies, I clearly do not understand the US position at grassroots to illegal substances, I have good scientific and historical and socio- psychological reasons to justify my opposition to illegal substances, but this is not the place to discuss this "chemical plague" , to put it mildly.
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Post by Motto on Apr 26, 2016 9:05:42 GMT -5
Along these lines using this device as a reference. The use of many small pipes should be considered. Mini corn cobs, pipes with very small bowls such as clays, mini Meershaums, pipes from Japan, China, Middle East weather they have historical tobacco usage or not. There is an intent of other useage of those mentioned. Now if we were to look at the devices that Stan presented we would find they are a device that we can study the funtion of the reverse calabash. In its domain it is one of the most popular Devices. Now let's look at it as a device doing something within our own hobby. If we wanted to sample multiple tobacco we would have to devote many minutes per tobacco. Depending on the number of tobacco you wanted to try you could be looking at hours. Now take Stans device, the Smoke would only last about 5 minutes per bowl enough time to get an introductory taste of what the tobacco has to offer. Then from this taste the decision to continue could be made. I have no intention to cause a problem just bringing items up for thought. John Yes John in a nut shell, I have no intention to use illegal godless substances and I do not suggest anyone does. But as I have said I am researching modern and historical bowls as a little engineer and maker, to make my own designs as most professional artisan makers and amateur makers do. perhaps adding to the common pool of designs. But I was insentive to the "local " situation in your part of the world. Good day, Bore da.
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Post by Darin on Apr 26, 2016 16:31:20 GMT -5
Just to be sure we are talking about the same thing, I'm referring only to plants that grow naturally and require no chemicals added.
Whatever created us created them as well for our use. It's HOW and WHY it's used that comes into question.
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Post by Motto on Apr 26, 2016 18:00:00 GMT -5
Just to be sure we are talking about the same thing, I'm referring only to plants that grow naturally and require no chemicals added. Whatever created us created them as well for our use. It's HOW and WHY it's used that comes into question. From my perspective you can describe medicines as good or bad, with a spectrum of gradations, and you can describe plants as poisonous or beneficial again with multiple shades. But to legalise substance promoted like " pot , Cannibis, marijuana , or ganga etc, for mass legal use is just anarchy and social disorder,,if you examine the cultural and historical origins and abuses of these anti social drugs. Historically where "pot" is socially accepted, then good agriculture, husbandry, business and trade breaks down, it is not " Fun" it is almost subversive chemical warfare, breaking traditional sacramental cultures down from within, war and anarchy will be the long term outcome of breaking traditional sacramental society. Beyond that once people accept "Pot" as respectable , what is next, all kinds of hard drugs, and social excess of all kinds, but the decline of civilisations like the tide can only be controlled by legal and political vigilance and discipline, self discipline and lawful discipline. Excuse my off thread comment, gentlemen.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Apr 26, 2016 18:45:17 GMT -5
While I do completely respect your position on the matter, Stan, as a "still recovering/recovered" alcoholic, I can't help but feel like we already have a legal poison that is far mor dangerous and disconcerting. If you review local crime reports, domestic incidences and vehicular crimes in particular, you will find, at least here in the States, that the vast majority of these crimes involve the use of alcohol. Conversely, even in areas where the aforementioned plant has been made legal, you will find that these crimes rarely involve the use of said plant.
Point is, in layman's terms, many a drunk have been prone to violence, and alcohol has been linked to violent behavior for quite some time. I can attest to it's dark influence personally. But, the "other pipe", if you will, has no links whatsoever to violent behavior, and has in fact been found to reduce anxiety, anger, insomnia, and violent behavior.
Therefore, as a person who has walked a long line of depression and substance abuse, I can say that the in the war of plant vs bottle, the plant is certainly less harmful, both to the user (psychologically and physiologically), and to those around them.
I fear we have all stepped into uncomfortably political ground on this one, and the comments I have made here are not meant as argument or even discourtesy, but to simply show another angle on what seems to be a rather pressing issue in this day and age.
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Post by Motto on Apr 26, 2016 19:40:20 GMT -5
With all respect sir, better the devil you know than the devil you do not, there are many forms of addictions and we are all vulnerable, but look at the civilisations where " pot" dominate in " ganga" India & " Rasta" Africa, I suggest you spend some time on youtube looking at the horrors of "pot" abuse in those cultures. The full horrors of what non sacramental drug abuse leads to. But despite your addiction, and I have relatives who have recovered and been healed from alcoholism , there is healing in Western sacramental societies for those that have suffered from addictions, it is a matter of getting a balance, and from a European perspective America is growing , and has historical and law and order issues related to gun law, which illegal drugs sre not going to fix , but bad drugs will only make things worse. To create the society and wealth in the modern west has taken centuries of sacramental discipline , and drug cartel warfare is destroying society , and eventually the wealth that maintains the sacramental culture, and heals and supports the casualties with the blessing of good medicine and lawful discipline will disintegrate, hold to good traditions and not bad , learn from history and not drug culture war propaganda, I hope you find healing . But perhaps I am being inconsiderate to people , like youself who I do not know and I certainly do not seek to show illwill or have an argument with , but I suffer from my own issues, like everyone, so please forgive me if I have been insentive to others I do no know, but do not want to create argument and bad feeling. As I pleaded above for Justin to close this thread but it is only going to cause unhappiness out of context on this pipe forum. I have problems with local drug gangs victimising me, may I say briefly, so it is a painful subject, in my youth drugs were unknown, but now I am struggling in our good parish, just to survive. Legalising pot will not stop the drug gangs there is always the next new drug., But find peace and healing I pray.
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Post by fadingdaylight on Apr 26, 2016 20:11:47 GMT -5
No harm done Stan, you have your position, and I would never suggest to anyone that they go against their values. I have found great peace in pipe smoking, and like you I don't wish to see things in this world get any worse than they already are.
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Post by Darin on Apr 26, 2016 21:55:23 GMT -5
+1 ... while I have a LOT more to add, this is probably the best place to call it good!
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