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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 29, 2018 19:32:45 GMT -5
Sorry if I missed this in another thread, but I was under the impression that Dunhill was out of the biz? I ask because within a day or two of McClelland's anouncment, their product disappeared from shelves. It seems like every time I browse an online retailer, I see that all Dunhill blends are in stock- Is there a date they yet plan on producing till or maybe buyout that will see the line continued? Is this just simply a case of a huge inventory being distributed until exhausted?
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 29, 2018 20:09:51 GMT -5
I looked around last night for a while and the best information I could come up with is there should be plenty of inventory to last through this year. Other than that, I couldn't really find anything more.
I just bought some Nightcap and 965 and really like them. I guess I should order more and jar it up until more information is given.
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 29, 2018 20:30:00 GMT -5
Thanks, man.
Yeah. It's a safe move. I stocked up already on my must have Dunhill. As a wise man once told me when I first joined a forum. 'Call it TAD if you want, but tobacco will never be cheaper or more readily available than it is today.'
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 20:45:08 GMT -5
No matter who the manufacturer, stock up on your favorite tobacco, you never know when it stops being produced!
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Post by roadsdiverged on Apr 29, 2018 20:47:38 GMT -5
I saw that somewhere. Im definitely going to pick up some more. Grabbed plenty of jars yesturday to store a good bit.
I'm new, so theres going to be a lot more that I try, but I would be content with just those 2. IMO, it's impossible to have too much tobacco. Even if the world goes to crap, people will want their vices. Thats where trading for your own needs comes in. And if the world doesn't, then I'll have enough tobacco to last me a life time, hand down to my kids, grandchildren, great grandchildren, etc. I've already noticed a slight bit of TAD in myself already.
Just my luck though, I found 2 blends very quickly, but from a company that is supposedly shutting down its pipe tobacco production in the near future.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 20:51:39 GMT -5
I doubt Dunhill will close completely, it has been purchased multiple times over the years, someone somewhere will pick it up and continue, the product may change, the quality may change, but Dunhill in some shape or form will continue!
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Post by PhantomWolf on Apr 29, 2018 21:21:05 GMT -5
@peterc
I hope so. Also,reading some reviews I have found that new iterations on blends are sometimes superior, so maybe there is that to look forward to. That is a very optimistic view, I know.
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Post by slowroll on Apr 29, 2018 22:55:54 GMT -5
I suspect for anyone that likes Nightcap, will like C&D Red Odessa with a little perique thrown in, FWIW.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 23:55:02 GMT -5
I think Dark Flake is already gone. As for continuing with a different manufacturer, that seems unlikely. From what I've read, it's just not lucrative enough for them even to allow Orlik to make the blends and reap the rewards of the licensing agreement. As it is, they do nothing and make a lot of money - at least it would be a lot of money to me!
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Post by trailboss on Apr 30, 2018 0:44:50 GMT -5
I think Dark Flake is already gone. As for continuing with a different manufacturer, that seems unlikely. From what I've read, it's just not lucrative enough for them even to allow Orlik to make the blends and reap the rewards of the licensing agreement. As it is, they do nothing and make a lot of money - at least it would be a lot of money to me! On Posts like this I wish we had a thumbs down option, not for the content of the post or to question the judgment of the contribution, but for the possibility of it happening... which I think is a real concern. Sorry to hear that about dark Flake, I have a couple tins cellared and that’s it. |
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Post by zambini on Apr 30, 2018 0:55:43 GMT -5
Yeah, they've finished production but still have stock on hand that's meant to last throughout this year. With regards to someone else making the blends in the future, the short version is that the final owner of the Dunhill recipes and imagery doesn't want to keep licensing them. He's afraid it'll damage the Dunhill men's lifestyle brand as it expands around the world.
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 30, 2018 1:25:49 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)?
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Post by zambini on Apr 30, 2018 1:32:46 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)? I've seen evidence of both flakes, Deluxe Navy Rolls, Royal Yacht, and Nightcap being bought in large quantities and prices slowly increasing on them but I don't know how much this ties into panic buying. |
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Post by Stanhill on Apr 30, 2018 1:38:06 GMT -5
According to a newsletter from The Danish Pipe Shop, Dunhill stopped tobacco production as per end of December last year, but they (TDPS) have enough supplies to last 18 months, so "No reason to panic ...yet". I read somewhere that STG made an offer to purchase the license, but was turned down. Probably just one of those internet rumours based on "facts".  |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Apr 30, 2018 1:41:17 GMT -5
A little over a year ago, BAT, who owns the rights to the Dunhill branded pipe tobacco blends, announced that they would be discontinuing manufacture, distribution, and sales of Dunhill branded tobaccos in the US. This was confirmed by the US distributor of Dunhill branded tobaccos, Land Ltd. A timeline of 12 to 18 months was given before availability would cease. If this goes according to BAT's stated timeline, Dunhill branded tobaccos will be running out by this coming summer. Of course, all this will depend on how much was produced and the rate at which it's being sold. But no more is being produced. BAT also sent a similar notice to other countries. What's behind this is a decision to separate the Dunhill name from the tobaccos and the decision that the pipe tobaccos don't offer enough of a revenue stream to continue offering them. BAT has thus far refused offers to license or sell the rights to another manufacturer. They will continue to manufacture and distribute Dunhill branded cigarettes.
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Post by Stanhill on Apr 30, 2018 1:41:46 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)? Maybe if people don't panic hoard, there'll be more tobacco to go around for everybody. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 30, 2018 2:07:13 GMT -5
...MAYBE...
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Post by sablebrush52 on Apr 30, 2018 2:24:37 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)? There a HUGE difference between the Dunhill and McClelland situations. BAT made a public announcement giving the pipe smoking community advanced warning that they would be pulling the plug on the Dunhill branded blends, while McClelland made no such announcement. Those of us who were aware that McClelland was closing its doors were asked not to say anything, so that their regular customers would have as much time as possible to buy their favorite blends. Once the word got out, the hoarders and speculators swooped in to buy up what they could. With Dunhill, their customers have at least 18 months to stock up. Will there be hoarders and speculators? Is a 400 lb robin fat? |
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Post by Legend Lover on Apr 30, 2018 3:23:51 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)? There a HUGE difference between the Dunhill and McClelland situations. BAT made a public announcement giving the pipe smoking community advanced warning that they would be pulling the plug on the Dunhill branded blends, while McClelland made no such announcement. Those of us who were aware that McClelland was closing its doors were asked not to say anything, so that their regular customers would have as much time as possible to buy their favorite blends. Once the word got out, the hoarders and speculators swooped in to buy up what they could. With Dunhill, their customers have at least 18 months to stock up. Will there be hoarders and speculators? Is a 400 lb robin fat? Ahhhh. I see. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2018 3:45:33 GMT -5
I have some McClelland's in the cellar and stocked up on my favorite Dunhill blends, but am sad to see both go. Unfortunately, that's the state of things. If there are blends you love, stock up and don't be a profiteer.
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Post by gav on Apr 30, 2018 10:39:48 GMT -5
Got a notification about Dunhill Dark Flake from SP. Immediately clicked on it and they were sold out. Called and she confirmed they had it in stock but sold out in a few orders. Basically people buying lots of 50-100. They got 275 in stock. When I asked why they don't put limits she just apologized but said they would have more in stock. I just wanted 2 tins.
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Post by slomo on Apr 30, 2018 11:25:10 GMT -5
That is my one gripe about SPC. Only rarely do they seem to limit purchase quantities. It would benefit the customer base and likely help overall sales if they limited quantities per transaction. Recently they had a 5 tin limit per transaction on a blend I like. I got my 5 tins and filed up the cart with other stuff to get free shipping. Many do the same thing. Not that Sykes Needs me to tell him how to sell!!
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Post by gav on Apr 30, 2018 12:12:40 GMT -5
I think they are dominating the e-tailer market by buying up all the stock and then just acting as a middleman to resellers instead of serving individual customers. Easier for them to make as few shipments as possible but still leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Most of the time I'll buy different tins/bulk to get the free shipping. I think the buying frenzy will stop eventually. All the bad news is clearing the shelves right now.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 0:15:04 GMT -5
So they have enough stock to do them the rest of the year, but is there any indication that people are panic buying like they did with mcclelland (if that's the right phrase to use)? Those of us who were aware that McClelland was closing its doors were asked not to say anything, so that their regular customers would have as much time as possible to buy their favorite blends. Once the word got out, the hoarders and speculators swooped in to buy up what they could. With Dunhill, their customers have at least 18 months to stock up. Will there be hoarders and speculators? Is a 400 lb robin fat? This rubs me the wrong way. There are plenty of McClelland "regular customers" who had no time to buy their favorite blends. Like people on pipe forums. There seems to have been an elite handful who were privy to the knowledge, then when it went public all that was left was Frog Cellar, some Balkan Blue and aros. And of course none of those elite would ever hoard or resell at a profit, would they? |
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2018 0:26:03 GMT -5
Those of us who were aware that McClelland was closing its doors were asked not to say anything, so that their regular customers would have as much time as possible to buy their favorite blends. Once the word got out, the hoarders and speculators swooped in to buy up what they could. With Dunhill, their customers have at least 18 months to stock up. Will there be hoarders and speculators? Is a 400 lb robin fat? This rubs me the wrong way. There are plenty of McClelland "regular customers" who had no time to buy their favorite blends. Like people on pipe forums. There seems to have been an elite handful who were privy to the knowledge, then when it went public all that was left was Frog Cellar, some Balkan Blue and aros. And of course none of those elite would ever hoard or resell at a profit, would they? +1 |
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Post by trailboss on May 2, 2018 0:31:42 GMT -5
Those of us who were aware that McClelland was closing its doors were asked not to say anything, so that their regular customers would have as much time as possible to buy their favorite blends. Once the word got out, the hoarders and speculators swooped in to buy up what they could. With Dunhill, their customers have at least 18 months to stock up. Will there be hoarders and speculators? Is a 400 lb robin fat? This rubs me the wrong way. There are plenty of McClelland "regular customers" who had no time to buy their favorite blends. Like people on pipe forums. There seems to have been an elite handful who were privy to the knowledge, then when it went public all that was left was Frog Cellar, some Balkan Blue and aros. And of course none of those elite would ever hoard or resell at a profit, would they? I have to agree...I have been a fan of McClellands for as long as I have had my re-emergence as a pipe smoker...I wish there had been more of a heads up from a few months beforehand so that I could be positioned to cellar more for personal use as opposed to speculation..but it is what it is. Having said that, if I limit myself to smoking one tin per year of Christmas cheer I will crack the last tin in 2034...not so lucky on the other McC blends though...2023 for my small Beacon tins. First world problem....  |
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Post by slowroll on May 2, 2018 7:09:53 GMT -5
Per above, I'm also perplexed at the mindset of the McNeils. They are fine people who made a great product, but, to believe that no one else could ever make their blends properly if they sold them the recipes sounds kinda presumptuous. And why turn down more money?
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Post by zambini on May 2, 2018 11:19:17 GMT -5
Per above, I'm also perplexed at the mindset of the McNeils. They are fine people who made a great product, but, to believe that no one else could ever make their blends properly if they sold them the recipes sounds kinda presumptuous. And why turn down more money? I don't disagree with you but I'd unfairly speculate that one reason may have something to do with the relatively poor reception the reintroduced STG Dunhill line and Germain's Balkan Sobranie recieved. If neither the big guys nor the famous boutique blenders could recover the magic then your only hope is that some magical tobacco person comes on the scene and saves the day; they probably never met such a person. Another unfair speculative reason may be that the personal contacts and goodwill they built with growers could prove difficult to sell but are the main reason why the company works. From what I've read, the company did sell the equipment and stock so it's not as if they were against some form of liquidation. With regards to the recipe book and legal papers, one could unfairly speculate that the owners wanted to bookend the experience being there the first and last day the company existed. Similarly the recipes, like their tin art, were home-grown and could be considered part of an artistic legacy which either is too personal for the 'artist' to share or too powerful to allow it to diminish the search for new blends by new blenders. The diminishing pipe tobacco market, reduction in the amount of growers, leaf variety and quality issues, and other reasons they've stated are all probably closer to the truth though. |
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