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Post by buroak on May 12, 2016 0:05:47 GMT -5
Oh, how I wish I had been one of those nut jobs. Actually, now that I think of it, even at today's prices putting back hundreds of pounds would have been beyond my means.
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Post by simnettpratt on May 12, 2016 1:22:50 GMT -5
I wonder what will happen to my excellent local B&M. All the tobacco he sells he blends himself, and he's not a rich dude.
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Post by sablebrush52 on May 12, 2016 14:57:24 GMT -5
I wonder what will happen to my excellent local B&M. All the tobacco he sells he blends himself, and he's not a rich dude. That's a good question! I wonder if shop, like Kramer's in Beverly Hills, that have been offering their own blends for many years, would also get grandfathered in. |
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Post by simnettpratt on May 12, 2016 15:45:02 GMT -5
He opened in 2005, but I have no idea what will be involved in proving to the Feds he has been making a certain blend since 2007. He has over eighty blends in mason jars. Whatever happens, I suspect nothing will be the best and least probable outcome.
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Post by fadingdaylight on May 12, 2016 18:11:19 GMT -5
Anyone know if this will impact blending tobaccos? Or just blended tobaccos? I suppose we could all just start blending our own... That or we will just have to convice Cobguy to become a bootleg blended...
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Post by buroak on May 12, 2016 23:20:18 GMT -5
There has been some rumbling that that kind of bulk tobacco is going to be wiped out, but I have not seen anything solid on that front. For what it's worth, I plan to order a good supply of Country Kitchen and Black Maria from John Dengler Tobacconists, just in case.
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Post by papipeguy on May 13, 2016 10:45:43 GMT -5
At this time I am not panicking. It's still early days for these rulings. As for the small B&M's that offer their own blends, I don't see how the FDA can police them. I suppose that a mass mailing questionnaire could be sent to all retail shops but nothing has been said about implementation.
I also believe that at some point there will be countersuits lodged against this ruling. I can't believe that STG, P&C and others will take this sitting down.
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Post by simnettpratt on May 13, 2016 11:55:26 GMT -5
What I'm worried about for the smaller B&Ms like mine (and Watch City Cigar Co, who make the excellent Ahab's Comfort), is the FDA will presume them guilty until they prove themselves innocent, and just saying they've been blending something since 2007 and it should be grandfathered, will not be enough; the Feds will require them to prove it. I doubt the gov lads even know what they will accept as proof yet. This will require more regulations, on how you can prove your blend is a 2007 or earlier.
All told, it just spells trouble and harm for the little guys, and the expanding bureacracy will expand to meet the needs of the expanding bureacracy.
My little guy, who doesn't sell tins, but only eighty blends he made himself, will be taking home less money, and spending more time to meet the needs of this expanding bureacracy. Those eighty blends are a significant portion of his small income, and the government just put a target on them. There will be no benefit to anyone for this. Oh, except the gov, which gets more power, more control and more money.
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Post by crapgame on May 13, 2016 13:43:35 GMT -5
What about tobacco sold on Native American reservations? When I was trucking I used to stop and buy ciggies at the reservation truckstop in upstate NY and get quite a break due to no taxes..could that be option (buying or selling) if the FDA decides to slap a hefty tax on the newer blends instead of banning them? I know that a pack of camels in NY state in 2002 was about 7 bucks and the reservation truckstop sold them for 3 bucks and change,,
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Post by sablebrush52 on May 13, 2016 21:50:38 GMT -5
He opened in 2005, but I have no idea what will be involved in proving to the Feds he has been making a certain blend since 2007. He has over eighty blends in mason jars. Whatever happens, I suspect nothing will be the best and least probable outcome. If he has kept records of his tobacco purchases and sales, including inventory records, that would be enough. The FDA isn't going to change the standard for proof that's accepted across a wide range of other unrelated industries. That kind of chaos would bury them in litigation for a century. |
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Post by Baboo on May 13, 2016 22:06:23 GMT -5
How might this affect Pipestud's vintage baccy consignment operation, and ebay?
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Post by buroak on May 15, 2016 23:21:02 GMT -5
I have been wondering that myself. His business is already precarious, what with eBay occasionally just pulling his listings.
I am a little, but I am trying to maintain a calculated approach to expanding my tobacco cellar. I am buying what is on sale, and even there focusing on post- 15 February 2007 blends that may (or may not) disappear. I am also hoping to get some more of those UK and European blends that may become truly out of reach.
STG appears far and away the heaviest hitter among the pipe tobacco manufacturers. How much they will do to fight this ruling I have no idea. They may want to preserve their popular post- 15 February 2007 offerings.
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Post by Motto on May 17, 2016 10:53:10 GMT -5
Just caught up with this thread, despite the health effects attributed to excess tobacco smoking, drinking water to excess is fatal , do you ban water. But it is often down to unhealthy lifestyle generally than victimising one herb , tobacco !!! But generally how much is down to trade and cultural war from the East, think about it, sacraments of the west and sacraments of the East, then the South !!!!
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