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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 21:20:09 GMT -5
The C&D, Sutliff, McC, MAC B, Newminster, Peter Stokkebye, Comoy’s and few Lane bulk blends are jarred by me the same day I receive my order. I ONLY stock up and cellar bulk blends I’ve enjoyed in the past. Plus I always smoke a bowl or FOUR just in case I have an issue with a bulk and I’d return the blend. Only returned 2 bulk blends in all the years bulk blends have been available, pretty darn good odds!!
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NOT ALL BULK TOBACCO’s are created equal.....JMHO
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Post by Dramatwist on Aug 9, 2018 21:46:28 GMT -5
...good points, but all I know is that I can tell a difference from the tins and the bulk...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 21:58:37 GMT -5
Martin ^^^^^^^^^ most definitely......even though blenders assure all of us Pipe smokers it’s ALL from the same batch. If you buy that I have some property that’s half under water most of the year I’ll give you a good buy on.....lol.
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Post by flyinmanatee on Aug 9, 2018 22:07:21 GMT -5
Not to open a Physics debate, but how much settling goes on with the different components in bulk blend? In other words, say if I get a lb in a bag should I remix before putting in multiple jars for example? Could this be a cause for drawing a distinction between tins vs. bulk?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 22:12:15 GMT -5
Not to open a Physics debate, but how much settling goes on with the different components in bulk blend? In other words, say if I get a lb in a bag should I remix before putting in multiple jars for example? Could this be a cause for drawing a distinction between tins vs. bulk? I always mix my bulk blends well in an extra large glass bowl before jarring. I also find the Amphora Original blend in the pouch smokes with much more flavor and complexity if removed from the pouch, mixed well, cut up a bit and jarred.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 10, 2018 2:21:46 GMT -5
The tinning process does have an effect on blends . Whenever I have bought a bulk version of a tinned blend I have noticed differences in flavor and smoking qualities. JMHO There can be differences between the taste of bulk and tins (How much difference there is and the reason why varies.). The questions, I pose, speculate about and try to answer is how and why they might be different other than subjective evaluation. And if there is anything one can objectively do to alter or change a tobacco's perception. I base this on my experience, a bit of studying/reading and conversation. For example there was a tobacco blend I tried where my initial two bowls were very different. The first bowl I enjoyed. The second time, the blend was bland washed out. The change was significant enough to force me to question other factors than the blend itself;A blend taken from the same source with the same moisture levels etc. Questions like: What state of mind was I in? What did I eat? Did I cleanse my palate beforehand? Did I pick up the wrong pipe ( An aromatic dedicated pipe for an English blend)? Did I clean and rest the pipe well and long enough? Did I pack the bowl correctly? Was I controlling my puffing properly? Etc. ? As I went through the litany it dawned on me that I had not used the pipe in a long time and was not sure when it was last cleaned. Low and behold with cleaning the problem disappeared. Smoking pipes and cigars, I have found that many factors can influence taste and should be considered not limited to the tobacco alone. PS Funny enough sometimes switching between a pipe or cigar renews the palate, other times taking a break works wonders and do not forget to brush and use mouth wash(smart for taste and health). Man I sound like my mother...😁 Does that mean I have mommy issues? 😁 You're very scientific in your approach - like me. I'm an analyst through and through. I like your idea of a taste test comparison, but I'm not sure how that could even be controlled. Pipe 2 might be different because you've just smoked pipe 1. And a different day might bring a different mood etc (and if that's a factor then it would change things). I can't see how it could be done (at least, to my standard).
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 10, 2018 4:42:26 GMT -5
Legend Lover "You're very scientific in your approach - like me. I'm an analyst through and through.I like your idea of a taste test comparison, but I'm not sure how that could even be controlled. Pipe 2 might be different because you've just smoked pipe 1. And a different day might bring a different mood etc (and if that's a factor then it would change things). I can't see how it could be done (at least, to my standard)." Hi In any experiment, one tries to eliminate as many variables as one can. Those one cannot eliminate hopefully can be minimized or taken into account by other means. A suggestion,open to tweaks and debate (to improve the experiments design), is to uncover bias through a blind test. Perhaps we can start with identical new or thoroughly cleaned pipes(cobs would be an inexpensive choice),a few tobaccos (Tin and bulk of a given blend and a few related blends as controls.)and carefully packed bowls administered by one person to be tested by a smoker (Who is blind to the blend being tested). All tobaccos should be examined for consistency beforehand.To minimize issues like palate fatigue etc. ,one can limit the smoke to a quarter of a bowl. The subject should also be retested to see if the results vary, lets say on different days, noting mood,consumption, oral hygiene etc. One can run the experiment again and again building on past results isolating or controlling other factors and then repeat the experiment with different subjects. At the beginning and throughout the experiment we brainstorm suggesting debating additional problems and solutions to address the trial's shortcoming. If one does not wish to go through such torture 😁. I believe a less thorough examination might illustrate bias as well.One can find a knowledgeable pipe smoking friend who can carry out the preparations and administer the experiment accordingly stopping when they are satisfied. I agree testing something with many variables can be problematic and is frought with issues. There is also no doubt that taste buds can differ. My main point however in all these posts is to encourage others to think more critically ,not lean disproportionally on the subjective, looking at other possibilities before passing judgement or making recommendations. This starts with a simple idea. I believe that blends properly smoked have defining characteristics that most palates can detect. The terms relative, subjective etc. are ideas that are thrown out there, overused sometimes without thinking. masking other very real issues that can influence a tobacco's flavor. Not every pipe smoker is knowledgeable ( I admit I have much to learn) even those who have smoked for years. So when someone does not like a blend, I hesitate to simply place this into one's tastes differ category (especially if I suspect other issues are in play) even while acknowledging this might be the case. Let me try to make this clearer by an example or two. When I meet a fellow pipe smoker, over time or after a good conversation, I have a good understanding of what they like. If I recommend something that is in their perceived taste range and they really do not like the blend, I might chalk this up to my misunderstanding their tastes. But if this continues with a second blend in the same category or they complain about inconsistent blend flavor etc. I am inclined to ask a few questions about their preferences and/or pose questions like those already noted and make suggestions. I also understand how Dunhill tobaccos in tin vs bulk might taste a bit different. However when one castigates the bulk and loves the tin, this raises questions. Questions and answers that might not benefit the addressed person but can be of service to others. I find folks spouting theories all the time with great confidence that a simple Google search can dispel. One pet peeve are posts that immediately blame pipe gurgle on the pipe without listing other factors and/or their reasons for thinking so. Yes pipe gurgle can be due to an inadequately designed pipe but there are also other reasons. If you do not know what they are,look at the online articles, ask a few pros and they will be glad to help. I am not being difficult, simply leading others to learn how to plow so they can feed their village.😁
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 10, 2018 5:18:18 GMT -5
I'd love to be part of that experiment, qmechanics.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 10, 2018 5:47:01 GMT -5
I'd love to be part of that experiment, qmechanics. Hi It would be interesting to try. PS Posting can be tricky from a small phone with big fingers and poor eyesight lol. I must be certifiable writing all this these posts under these circumstances😁 .The mood struck me so I used what was at hand. Maybe I am subconsciously making up for all the weeks past and future that I will be too occupied to post. No matter I know I am insane😁.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 10, 2018 5:53:11 GMT -5
Note: I really hate the automatic spell etc. corrections feature on my phone...Do I hear an Amen!!Come on now don't be shy!!😁
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 10, 2018 6:11:22 GMT -5
Note: I really hate the automatic spell etc. corrections feature on my phone...Do I hear an Amen!!Come on now don't be shy!!😁 amen to that. I speak in my head as I type and therefore assume every word I type is correct... Bad mistake.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2018 9:22:28 GMT -5
I think its like the difference between bottled beer and canned, we all know they taste different so I would chance to say sitting in a big plastic bag most of its life would certainly be different then sitting in a Tin and make changes to its flavor just the same can and bottle do to beer. Just my thoughts and no real proof to back any of it up.
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