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Post by puffy on May 24, 2018 12:44:08 GMT -5
Most of my friends are what I call shallow thinkers.They have no interest in topics that require a measure of deep thought..Today (an exception) in conversation with someone an interesting question came up.It has to do with those who were considered to be smarter than the rest of us..Genius is a word used to refer to them..The question is..When they died do you think they knew things they never told anyone?
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Post by zver on May 24, 2018 12:54:47 GMT -5
Yes!
Most of them were too busy thinking up new stuff, and pondering problems, to actually write it all down. I am sure telling people just earned them the blank stare. So I believe they knew stuff that they never told anyone.
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Post by haebar on May 24, 2018 12:59:13 GMT -5
Yes, they did and still do today. We are often rediscovering things that have already been thought of but the people didn't have time or inclination to share it.
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Post by kb7get on May 24, 2018 13:02:41 GMT -5
I spend time in the chat room a few times a week. The ones in there teach/tell me exciting ideas all the time.
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Post by Baboo on May 24, 2018 13:17:01 GMT -5
Sadly, I have laid to rest many dead horses in all-too-many shallow graves of the mind. Genius is a grave diggers lot.
🙈🙉🙊 Professor Know-Nothing
A Billion People can be Wrong
There's nothing new or novel under the sun
I may as well be an idiot for all the good smarts will do me😜
May as well keep my mouth shut, they don't hear me anyway🤯🤪😱
I am NOT a genius😜😜😜
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Post by Legend Lover on May 24, 2018 14:00:31 GMT -5
If only I knew what stuff in my head is worth sharing, it would make it much easier.
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Post by toshtego on May 24, 2018 14:23:25 GMT -5
I try to understand the relationship between space and time. Does that make me a genius? Probably not, just confused.
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Post by papipeguy on May 24, 2018 14:32:24 GMT -5
I believe that genius comes in many forms. We'd all agree that Isaac Newton and Einstein were geniuses in math and physics. That Beethoven and Mozart we child prodigies in music. And the there is Albert Fornarucci. Albert who? Al was a classmate at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel School in Passaic, NJ. One day, in 5th grade, Sister Paula asked Albert why he didn't hand in his homework assignment. Albert stood up and said that his dad needed something to ignite the pilot light on the oven so his mother could bake something for the sisters living at the school convent and that his homework papers were the handiest thing his father could grab. Sister Paula just looked at him and shook her head and got on with class. We all looked at each other in horrified silence and later decided that Albert was a genius.
So you see that genius comes in great and little ways.
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Post by Legend Lover on May 24, 2018 15:23:07 GMT -5
I believe that genius comes in many forms. We'd all agree that Isaac Newton and Einstein were geniuses in math and physics. That Beethoven and Mozart we child prodigies in music. And the there is Albert Fornarucci. Albert who? Al was a classmate at Our Lady of Mt. Carmel School in Passaic, NJ. One day, in 5th grade, Sister Paula asked Albert why he didn't hand in his homework assignment. Albert stood up and said that his dad needed something to ignite the pilot light on the oven so his mother could bake something for the sisters living at the school convent and that his homework papers were the handiest thing his father could grab. Sister Paula just looked at him and shook her head and got on with class. We all looked at each other in horrified silence and later decided that Albert was a genius. So you see that genius comes in great and little ways. brilliant story |
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Post by oldcajun123 on May 24, 2018 15:26:19 GMT -5
 Genius is like a sponge that absorbs, sometimes your sponge absorbs too much. Case in point we had a small quench oil drum that was critical to our operations, lose the liquid you shut down the plant. They sent us a Top MIT GENUIS to resolve the problem, all he did was lengthen the distance the meter read on the level. He proudly said now you have more liquid, I looked around and Bosses, Supervisors were swallowing that shite. I got up, and said , Did you change the size of the drum, No he said, I said then you ain't done shite, as I walked out of the meeting, You may be aGenuis but you can't beat common sense.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 16:05:26 GMT -5
Geniuses are the luckiest of mortals because what they must do is the same as what they most want to do.
W.H.Auden
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Post by slowroll on May 24, 2018 18:06:49 GMT -5
As some wag once said, "A genius is someone more than 50 miles from home."
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Post by jeffd on May 24, 2018 18:18:53 GMT -5
They sent us a Top MIT GENUIS to resolve the problem, ... Ha. I had an MIT "genius" respond to our inquiry (and request for quotation), that we were asking the wrong question. |
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Post by jeffd on May 24, 2018 18:25:57 GMT -5
I work in a technical field, and the geniuses I know are more like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory than the stereo type of the lone genius having deep thoughts.
And I happen also to often appreciate seemingly shallow thinkers. Those who very directly say what's on their mind, without hesitation or fancy words or over thinking and it is often very profound and overlooked for its obviousness.
As in: "I guess something will happen next. It always does."
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 22:52:05 GMT -5
I'll make no claims about myself here, but will share a bit. When I was a meat hauler I made friends with a butcher and his wife that were almost fifty years older than I was. Elmer invited me to their fiftieth anniversary which I had to decline because I was getting married that day. Elmer and I also shared a birthday. Both couples got married by a justice of the peace because the church refused to marry us. Okay, relevant part coming.
The four of us would go to dinner and afterwards Elmer and I would sit in his TV room, light up a pipe and tell stories. I heard about how he rode with his cousin, who was bootleg runner. I heard about the famous brewery suicides in Saint Louis. If he told me a story a second time or more I just enjoyed it. He also told me all of his tricks of the trade.
Now, for myself. I feel if I have a chance to share things I will. Religion aside I believe our intelligence goes with us. However, my life has been full of stories and info told to me... and I would share it all. When I find a spot here, I am sure you all know I get wordy (like now). To hold onto something someone taught you or you learned on your own seems to be a sin of waist, again, not only in a religious sense.
When I find absolute proof of Ancient Aliens you all will be the first to know
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 23:19:58 GMT -5
Rare quality for sure. I only had one prof in college and an engineer I had the pleasure of working with to which I would apply that tag. Both could repeat their efforts successfully which is the truest test.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 25, 2018 0:18:35 GMT -5
I have worked with a few people who thought they were geniuses. I worked with a genuine genius programmer at my last job. He was also a psychopath, and he still scares me. I know that he purposely drove his wife to commit seemingly irrational acts so that he could have custody of his children. So, we have all kinds. I have a high IQ, and Mensa keeps trying to get me to pay dues, but I have never accomplished much of anything. I can read, write, fix and build anything. But the only time I can get any respect is in a game of Trivial Pursuit.
I would guess that the percentage of "geniuses" that actually make world changing discoveries is a small fraction of a percent. Like with 0s after the decimal.
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Post by Baboo on May 25, 2018 5:30:26 GMT -5
Star children and aliens are among us... you didn't hear it from me.👽
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Post by joeman on May 25, 2018 9:41:47 GMT -5
I'm thinking of two folks in my life whom I'd label 'genius'. One of them is well-balanced, not high-minded, can actually carry on conversations with just about anyone; while anyone who knows him would label him a genius, he also strikes me as selfless and is very interested in what others know, think, feel, experience. The other does not 'extend himself' to others much, seems to purposely take conversations to a level which elevate him by leaving you in his genius dust, appears to be contrarian at nearly every turn, and strikes me as easily irritated.
My own take away is that one has a very high opinion of himself, while the other greatly values others and is actually quite humble. A rare combination, since most folks whom I'd call genius are only too happy to make sure you know it.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 25, 2018 10:42:30 GMT -5
I'm thinking of two folks in my life whom I'd label 'genius'. One of them is well-balanced, not high-minded, can actually carry on conversations with just about anyone; while anyone who knows him would label him a genius, he also strikes me as selfless and is very interested in what others know, think, feel, experience. The other does not 'extend himself' to others much, seems to purposely take conversations to a level which elevate him by leaving you in his genius dust, appears to be contrarian at nearly every turn, and strikes me as easily irritated. My own take away is that one has a very high opinion of himself, while the other greatly values others and is actually quite humble. A rare combination, since most folks whom I'd call genius are only too happy to make sure you know it. The second type is what you get at a Mensa meeting. It makes it very awkward. And after they get drunk, OMG! |
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Post by jeffd on May 25, 2018 10:53:58 GMT -5
I have found that the folks who really really understand something, whether its advanced math, physics, philosophy, semiotics, craft beer, breeding small dogs, electronics, fashion, pipes, cigars, making omelettes, the folks who really understand are the ones who can explain it to the non-expert.
Its really true.
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Post by slowroll on May 25, 2018 10:55:47 GMT -5
Ronv69 Yep. My wife has a mensa member friend. Whenever she starts explaining (lecturing) something, and one tells her, "I know, I've read it," she keeps right on. She believes no one can possibly be as smart as her, but yet, she'd hurt herself with a screwdriver.
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Post by joeman on May 25, 2018 12:47:32 GMT -5
She believes no one can possibly be as smart as her, but yet, she'd hurt herself with a screwdriver.  |
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Post by simnettpratt on May 25, 2018 13:24:21 GMT -5
Well, genius is defined as scoring 140 or more on Stanford-Binet IQ tests, and I do that, so I'm technically the dictionary definition of a genius. Let me tell you, it ain't shite. You neither earn it nor ask for it. I also have brown hair.
It allows you to understand deeper things, and more quickly, but that's about it. It doesn't make you work harder, or be kind to others. A man with big muscles can life heavier things, but does not dictate what he does with them. You just understand things, that's it. I do understand the relationship between space and time (it's E=mc2 btw), but that doesn't make me kind, or hard-working, or worthy of your daughter's hand. You just understand things.
Wisdom is better. Doing trumps knowing. It's good some people are really strong, and good some of us are really intelligent, but by itself, IQ ain't shite. You just understand things; what you do with that is what counts.
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Post by Ronv69 on May 25, 2018 14:09:01 GMT -5
I have found that the folks who really really understand something, whether its advanced math, physics, philosophy, semiotics, craft beer, breeding small dogs, electronics, fashion, pipes, cigars, making omelettes, the folks who really understand are the ones who can explain it to the non-expert. Its really true. Richard P. Feynman. |
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Post by simnettpratt on May 25, 2018 14:16:05 GMT -5
One of the best people ever.
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Post by william on May 25, 2018 14:29:00 GMT -5
I have found that the folks who really really understand something, whether its advanced math, physics, philosophy, semiotics, craft beer, breeding small dogs, electronics, fashion, pipes, cigars, making omelettes, the folks who really understand are the ones who can explain it to the non-expert. Its really true. Richard P. Feynman. And Carl Sagan.... |
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Post by jeffd on May 25, 2018 15:11:43 GMT -5
Good examples.
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Post by sablebrush52 on May 26, 2018 0:27:37 GMT -5
Having grown up in a family of geniuses (I'm not kidding or exaggerating and it isn't something I would wish on anyone) I will attest that they are by turns interesting and interested, surprising, curious, hilarious, mysterious, cracked, wise, entertaining, loony, occasionally clueless, and often seem to be from a different species than the rest of us. I'm the family dim bulb, and that's fine with me.
Do they take things to their graves that they don't share? Is a 400 lb robin fat?
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Post by simnettpratt on May 26, 2018 6:17:10 GMT -5
Lest you folks think sable's serious when he calls himself the dim bulb, here's one of his paintings; sable painted this. Fucked up? Occasionally clueless? Sure. But you look me in the face and tell me a dim bulb can see this in a paintbrush and a gob of colored goo.
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Genius is like a sponge that absorbs, sometimes your sponge absorbs too much. Case in point we had a small quench oil drum that was critical to our operations, lose the liquid you shut down the plant. They sent us a Top MIT GENUIS to resolve the problem, all he did was lengthen the distance the meter read on the level. He proudly said now you have more liquid, I looked around and Bosses, Supervisors were swallowing that shite. I got up, and said , Did you change the size of the drum, No he said, I said then you ain't done shite, as I walked out of the meeting, You may be aGenuis but you can't beat common sense.
