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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2018 13:23:34 GMT -5
I've never heard of a cigarette or cigar smoker getting tongue bite. I'm assuming they don't.
If so, what are you thoughts on why pipe smokers do?
If it's body chemistry reacting to different tobaccos, then would that not happen with different cigars (maybe it does or maybe ask cigars are made from the same tobacco).
If it happens more often when you're puffing hard to keep it lit then I'd be inclined to think it's the heat that's doing it.
Any cigarette or cigar smokers (or ex smokers) getting tongue bite?
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Post by Morgan on Jun 6, 2018 13:35:29 GMT -5
I've been smoking cigarettes since teenage years, and have never gotten tongue bite from it. at least nothing like I get from a pipe. The few cigars I've had if i remember right, bit a little, but still not as much as a pipe. Of course, I'm inexperienced with pipes and cigars, so I'm sure I'm to blame for how hard my pipes bite me.
hope that helps!
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Post by puffy on Jun 6, 2018 14:02:58 GMT -5
I've smoked a lot of cigars over the years..No Problems..Can't say about cigarettes
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Post by Darin on Jun 6, 2018 14:15:54 GMT -5
There are several factors involved with pipe tobacco that are not with the others. The pack of the tobacco, moisture content, sugar content, cut of the tobacco, etc.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2018 14:51:47 GMT -5
True, but I've heard arguments about body chemistry. I'm just wondering if it really is that or is it the heat of the smoke?
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Post by trailboss on Jun 6, 2018 15:05:20 GMT -5
True, but I've heard arguments about body chemistry. I'm just wondering if it really is that or is it the heat of the smoke? You do raise a good point that I hadn’t considered. Maybe it is back to asking mister owl....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 15:13:51 GMT -5
You can get mouth fatigue (over smoking) from any of them. Bite is exclusive to pipe/tobac.
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Post by Stanhill on Jun 6, 2018 15:22:17 GMT -5
I smoked cigarettes during my pipe hiatus, but I never experienced tongue bit. At a point, I smoked Senior Service, Player's and Craven A; pure Virginia and they were hard on the throat if I overdid it. Come to think of it, the only time I ever had tongue bite, was when I smoked
Yellow Capstan too hard; a double-sized tongue and it hurt like hell when
brushing the teeth before bedtime and in the morning.
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Post by mrphillips on Jun 6, 2018 16:25:14 GMT -5
True, but I've heard arguments about body chemistry. I'm just wondering if it really is that or is it the heat of the smoke? Body chemistry is real!!! Anything that has more than ~15% Virginian (red/orange/yellow/whatever) bites me like a cobra. That being said, I smoked cigs for many years in the past, and whether it was Bali Shag roll-your-own or cowboy killer Marlboros, I never got tongue bite from them. Maybe it's something to do with the filter, but then again there's plenty of pipe-smokers who use a filter in their pipes...and plenty of cig smokers who rip the filters clean off. Good question! All I have to offer is my personal experience. Also, I've had my mouth go numb from a good cigar, but not that hot BITE that I think you're referring to. Again, good question.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 6, 2018 16:28:56 GMT -5
True, but I've heard arguments about body chemistry. I'm just wondering if it really is that or is it the heat of the smoke? Body chemistry is real!!! Anything that has more than ~15% Virginian (red/orange/yellow/whatever) bites me like a cobra. That being said, I smoked cigs for many years in the past, and whether it was Bali Shag roll-your-own or cowboy killer Marlboros, I never got tongue bite from them. Maybe it's something to do with the filter, but then again there's plenty of pipe-smokers who use a filter in their pipes...and plenty of cig smokers who rip the filters clean off. Good question! All I have to offer is my personal experience. Also, I've had my mouth go numb from a good cigar, but not that hot BITE that I think you're referring to. Again, good question. Unless it's a combination of body chemistry and the method of smoking... Maybe the smoke is more concentrated when it comes from a pipe. Maybe the concentration of smoke, the heat of the smoke and body chemistry makes a toxic combination.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 6, 2018 17:22:45 GMT -5
LL you've got some good answers here,just let me add my take on this predicament.First my qualifications, I have smoked cigarettes since the 1970's,My first pipe was in 1983 and I loaded it with Borkum Riff Bourbon. That tobacco did not smoke well for me.It burnt my tongue to the point I pulled extra duty at Ft Campbell for destruction of government property.Same type of crap if you get a sun burn and can't do your job.As to your query I believe it is the moisture content of the blend combined with a delivery system that seems to target the soft inner surface of your tongue.Now I'm sure that Body Chemistry plays some part in all of this,I know that some blends set my whole mouth on fire,but this isn't tongue bite more like eating Ghost Chilis out of the canning jar........again.
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Post by daveinlax on Jun 6, 2018 18:38:58 GMT -5
IMO it's the PG that's added to many pipe tobacco's steams up and causes tongue bite. Find a tobacco you like that left out goes crunchy dry in a day or two in a climate controlled house.
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Post by gav on Jun 6, 2018 22:16:28 GMT -5
smoke to the end of a thick ring gauge cigar and and you get all kinds of burns
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 7, 2018 2:55:21 GMT -5
The pg might have something to do with it too.
But from what I've read so say, body chemistry seems to be way down the list of contributing factors.
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Post by gav on Jun 7, 2018 12:52:26 GMT -5
where exactly did this whole body chemistry theory come from? A study? tobacco, pipe, and how hard you puff are all contributing factors. I know a guy who finishes a huge cigar in 15 minutes where it takes me an hour. Its gotta be a disgusting burnt tarry taste but to each his own.
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Post by jeffd on Jun 7, 2018 13:09:41 GMT -5
My experience with both cigars and pipes leads me to believe it is the deliver system. I think the pipe stem focuses the blast of smoke, so the heat that a cigar disperses into your whole mouth gets narrowly focused to a particular part of your tongue.
I had to learn to sip, which I don't do with cigars.
That is my theory anyway.
Its an easy thing to test. Cut up a cigar and put it in your pipe and smoke it.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 7, 2018 14:30:16 GMT -5
Its an easy thing to test. Cut up a cigar and put it in your pipe and smoke it. Great idea. It was a frequent argument when I perused the 'other forum' before joining here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 18:58:26 GMT -5
I know when I smoke a cigar I can only get about half way though it because of the taste. Beyond this point the smoke tastes heavy and wet. I sometimes feel I have something on my tounge that needs to be removed. For me this ruins the taste and pleasure. As for a cigarette it is gone be for any thing can be tasted.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 9, 2018 12:19:58 GMT -5
Part of the problem is not having a clear definition of "Tongue Bite".For myself "tongue bite"is when I have a sore spot or area develop on my tongue.I have smoked blends that set my whole mouth on fire such as a spicey meal.But I don't consider this "tongue bite".I myself believe that the moisture content and technic play the more substantial role.Although I am sure that there are those who have a physical reaction to certain blends and/or toppings.
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Post by That Falls Guy on Jun 9, 2018 12:53:10 GMT -5
where exactly did this whole body chemistry theory come from? A study? tobacco, pipe, and how hard you puff are all contributing factors. I know a guy who finishes a huge cigar in 15 minutes where it takes me an hour. Its gotta be a disgusting burnt tarry taste but to each his own. There are hundreds of articles on the subject, but here is a good reference...... Tongue Bite
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2018 12:55:51 GMT -5
The difference between nippy and bite is that nippy usually evens out by mid bowl and can end well. Tongue bite is when your made so uncomfortable you can't smoke another bowl and the entire experience is ruined for you.
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Post by gav on Jun 9, 2018 16:25:16 GMT -5
where exactly did this whole body chemistry theory come from? A study? tobacco, pipe, and how hard you puff are all contributing factors. I know a guy who finishes a huge cigar in 15 minutes where it takes me an hour. Its gotta be a disgusting burnt tarry taste but to each his own. There are hundreds of articles on the subject, but here is a good reference...... Tongue BiteThanks for the link which all makes sense. What doesn't make sense are the claims that certain people have a certain body chemistry which is prone to tongue bite where other's are immune.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 9, 2018 22:39:38 GMT -5
Taking into consideration the section describing Ph levels (Alkalinity/acid) it would make some sense of the "body chemistry" argument.I know of a few people that can not eat tomatoes due to the high citric acid,they will have blisters form inside their mouths.My first wife was susseptable to this.So if a person has a low tolerance to alkalies they would be risk of Tongue bite with a VaPer,VaBur, or straight Virginia blend no matter how they pack or smoke their pipes.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 10, 2018 0:27:52 GMT -5
I wouldn't be so quick to take body chemistry out of the factor as to make one more or less suceptible to tongue bite.
One person can eat spicy foods, and hardly feel the heat, another tastes a greek pepper ring in a sandwich and it is a five alarm fire to them.
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Post by Dramatwist on Jun 10, 2018 1:35:38 GMT -5
My significant other's cigarettes cost $234.00 for two cartons every two weeks. I don't complain, I just bite my tongue.
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Post by nedwrecks on Jun 10, 2018 2:35:35 GMT -5
My experience with both cigars and pipes leads me to believe it is the deliver system. I think the pipe stem focuses the blast of smoke, so the heat that a cigar disperses into your whole mouth gets narrowly focused to a particular part of your tongue. I had to learn to sip, which I don't do with cigars. That is my theory anyway. Its an easy thing to test. Cut up a cigar and put it in your pipe and smoke it. Because pipe tobacco is hard to come by in New Zealand, and the fact that a whole cigar is too much for me, I often cut up cuban cigars and smoke that in a pipe. It tends to be a much faster burning and ashy-er smoke because it's drier. I don't think I've gotten tongue bite from cigar tobacco in a pipe, but it can burn pretty hot and leaves your mouth feeling ashy into the next morning even after repeated brushing and rinsing. I'm starting to come to the conclusion that it's mostly the steam, and also that virginias have a chemical component that don't agree with me since these cigars seem to mostly be made of burley. Also, about 20 years ago I tried a pipe for the first time and didn't dry out the tobacco. Burnt the roof of my mouth so bad that I had a blister on the roof of my mouth. Only recently have I retried pipes, with better success due in part to YouTube instructional videos. Slower cadence and drying tobacco helps a lot.
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Post by gav on Jun 10, 2018 6:36:39 GMT -5
There have been studies done of people with problems eating some vegetables and fruits like tomatoes. Oral allergy syndrome or OAS is attributed to the cases studied. I believe its only with fresh fruits and is a pollen related allergy. I don't believe it has to do with citric acid since many fruits have a higher citric acid level than tomatoes yet people may eat a lemon just fine but have problems with tomatoes for instance. Its possible some people may have an allergic reaction to specific tobaccos but I think the symptoms would be worse than tongue bite. I don't think it is a coincidence that people mostly complain about the sweetest virginias and aros causing tongue bite.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 10, 2018 8:25:44 GMT -5
My significant other's cigarettes cost $234.00 for two cartons every two weeks. I don't complain, I just bite my tongue. Hahaha
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 10, 2018 8:28:10 GMT -5
I suppose if some people are prone to acid or alkali reactions then the smoke, which is directed most intensely onto the tongue as it enters the mouth, might spark up a reaction for those people.
Couple that with steam and heat and you've got a bad combination.
Good discussion peeps.
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Post by mrphillips on Jun 10, 2018 21:12:00 GMT -5
My significant other's cigarettes cost $234.00 for two cartons every two weeks. I don't complain, I just bite my tongue. Now THAT'S tongue bite...maybe to the point of drawing blood!
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