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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 10, 2018 9:47:21 GMT -5
 Just a little info on Boy Scouts, my Daughter is a Scout Leader, she and my Grandson are in Clayton Georgia for a week long campout. For those of you who don't know she was a Crew Chief on a C-130 Gun ship. She told me her take on the present situation, she was appalled that condoms were pushed for the boys at the big jamboree, as I. She says the Girl Scouts have morphed into Cookie sellers, they Girl Scout leaders are not teaching the girls skills that they need. I taught her to take apart a shotgun, change oil in my truck, drive my truck, skills that girls should have. They will tear down a good Orginazation it seems, very sad to see this, this is not political so please no big hooraw, just facts as seen from the inside.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 10, 2018 10:03:46 GMT -5
I was never a scout, but it's a shame that these things are changing.
In Northern Ireland we have the boys and girls brigade (maybe it's a worldwide thing - I'm not sure). That took off after the war and something they did at the boys brigade is marching, which was by way of preparation for military posts when conscription was around.
Today the marching has been taken out but the reason is that the culture has changed and people don't need that particular skill anymore.
I'm not saying that's the same that's happening with scouts, but I wonder are they trying to move with the times and getting it wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 11:42:18 GMT -5
She says the Girl Scouts have morphed into Cookie sellers, they Girl Scout leaders are not teaching the girls skills that they need. A. This is political. Saying it's not doesn't change that. B. "Pushing condoms" is very different from "making them available". www.snopes.com/fact-check/boy-scouts-condoms-jamboree/C. Maybe your daughter's observation quoted above is exactly the reason a lot of girls now want to join the Boy Scouts instead. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 10, 2018 11:57:32 GMT -5
Justin close this, we have a protester in our mist, so much for conversion. Very sorry.
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jun 10, 2018 11:59:41 GMT -5
She says the Girl Scouts have morphed into Cookie sellers, they Girl Scout leaders are not teaching the girls skills that they need. B. "Pushing condoms" is very different from "making them available". www.snopes.com/fact-check/boy-scouts-condoms-jamboree/C. Maybe your daughter's observation quoted above is exactly the reason a lot of girls now want to join the Boy Scouts instead. Chico, anyone who has spent any time here knows that you are definitely left of center. Sadly you also have a pattern of being hyper-sensitive and deem it necessary to be the PC police here. I re-read the OP's post and didn't see anything that calls out the Uber Left, the Intelegentzia, the Limousine Liberals or the LGBQTXYZ crowd. So, you declaring that what he posted WAS Political, essentially calling him a liar, is in and of itself a specious argument and is fact a LIE. Do me / us all a favor, turn down your pant-suit nation volume knob and give us all a rest. |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 10, 2018 12:13:05 GMT -5
 Campground in Clayton Georgia, no phones allowed, good place for young Scouts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 12:42:37 GMT -5
A. This is political. Saying it's not doesn't change that.B. "Pushing condoms" is very different from "making them available". www.snopes.com/fact-check/boy-scouts-condoms-jamboree/C. Maybe your daughter's observation quoted above is exactly the reason a lot of girls now want to join the Boy Scouts instead. Chico, anyone who has spent any time here knows that you are definitely left of center. Sadly you also have a pattern of being hyper-sensitive and deem it necessary to be the PC police here. I re-read the OP's post and didn't see anything that calls out the Uber Left, the Intelegentzia, the Limousine Liberals or the LGBQTXYZ crowd. So, you declaring that what he posted WAS Political, essentially calling him a liar, is in and of itself a specious argument and is fact a LIE. Do me / us all a favor, turn down your suitpant nation volume knob and give us all a rest. And everyone here knows you and oldcajun are very much right of center, and that sadly you have a pattern of being totally unable to refrain from starting these kinds of discussions in the first place. I have never started a political thread, but unfortunately I feel compelled to remind you guys than not everyone here is an arch-social and political conservative and that airing your views of this stuff is both unwelcome and against the rules. You both seem to assume that your views are the "normal" ones and that it's totally okay to promote them on this forum - even when such posts are expressly prohibited, and are always shut down with a hand slap. The post gave a right-leaning fake news version of events, but if someone calls it out you get pissed off. I'm not the one who called for the thread to be shut down, I just posted a reply. But at least oldcajun doesn't make it personal like you often do. You know nothing about me except a few of my views and tobacco tastes - so hurling your stereotyping right-wing catch phrases doesn't mean a thing. "Limousine Liberal", "suitpant nation" - gimme a break. I'm surprised you didn't tell me to find a safe space. But my biggest problem with your post is accusing me of calling oldcajun a liar - that's out of line. It also may be disingenuous, because I think you probably know that's not what I meant. I know he did not personally intend it to be political, but it is a political talking point, and pointing that out does not call him a liar. Not political in the sense that of partisan, but that it presents a right-leaning view of the world as the "correct' and "normal" one: girls shouldn't be allowed in the Boy Scouts, boys shouldn't have access to condoms. Same with the Miss America thread. Why the insistence on discussing his crap here in the first place? We all get along fine.... until it happens again. Here is a good rule of thumb: if you have to include a disclaimer in your post like, "I'm not being political but...." you probably are being political! |
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Post by bonanzadriver on Jun 10, 2018 12:53:32 GMT -5
I call BullSh!t on most of your rebuttal, but specifically the last couple of lines.
As for me making it personal? Yeah... NO !
The fact that you Decided to Take it that way does nothing but reinforce the the pattern you've portrayed time and again.
In a world where the shrill voiced "Offended Class" feel it their Right, Duty, Mandate, etc... to not only call out anything that bristles their delicate sensibilities, they go looking for it, the logical pragmatic quiet majority are forced to either make the disclaimer you referenced or suffer the ensuing tongue lashings sure to come. Not at all unlike the brainwashed behavior of the children portrayed in Orwell's 1984, today's Soundbite Nation Citizenry are practically shamed by their fellow soundbiters if they don't immediately condemn anything that is antithetical to their doctrine.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jun 10, 2018 13:44:44 GMT -5
Before this closes Thank You Dino for putting into words I cannot do, there is never any hope for some people, we can't just talk and have conversation without huffing and puffing. Again thank you Dino my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2018 13:44:58 GMT -5
These posts start with you or oldcajun "huffing and puffing" and "bristling" your own "delicate sensibilities." So stop buying into the "liberal snowflake" narrative and acting like you're all oppressed with your freedom of speech being taken away. And there you go with your little catchphrases again. The ideas I've expressed behind "the pattern" I've "portrayed again and again" are shared by a few other members of this forum, just as yours are. The majority don't give a shite and wish we'd all shut up. Which I actually wish, too. If you or oldcajun want a conservative echo chamber, there are plenty of them out there. If you insist on posting that stuff here in a politically, socially, ethnically, sexually diverse forum, you should expect to get diverging opinions. But when you get them you call "shut it down!" or you start getting personal ("no... yeah!").
Let me just reverse the example and see how it grabs you. Let's say I create a thread with the same title as this one, but instead I write:
How great it is that this country is finally getting beyond it's repressive and restrictive gender stereotypes, and allowing young girls to pursue their own interests and express their own identities. A lot of girls are not interested in selling cookies or learning to cook and crochet, so it's wonderful that they can now learn the skills that have traditionally been reserved to boys [which is a big part of oldcajun's gripe to begin with, right?]. A few years ago they would have been ridiculed as "tomboys" and people would have said there's something wrong with them. I was so happy that my gay nephew was finally allowed in the Scouts a couple of years ago, and not humiliated for being rejected, and this is another step forward.
I'm also happy that teenage Boy Scouts have access to condoms because they can now practice safe sex, and are taking some personal responsibility to prevent their girlfriends from getting pregnant. We all know that the abstinence message pretty much doesn't work, so at least they'll be safe and healthy.
And after all, if boys don't want condoms, they don't have to take them. And if girls don't want to join the Boy Scouts, nobody will force them. This kind of freedom, equality, and democracy are what America is all about.
I kind of doubt that you and a couple of other members would be cool with such a post and just let it go. And if you replied with your objections, and pointed out that it was a political/controversial subject to begin with, how about I reply with remarks about wingnuts, pizzagate, birthers, vanilla ISIS, and teabaggers? And then insist I'm not getting personal. So let's call a truce and all agree to just STFU about the political stuff, huh?
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Post by daveinlax on Jun 10, 2018 15:07:23 GMT -5
Chico, anyone who has spent any time here knows that you are definitely left of center. Sadly you also have a pattern of being hyper-sensitive and deem it necessary to be the PC police here. I re-read the OP's post and didn't see anything that calls out the Uber Left, the Intelegentzia, the Limousine Liberals or the LGBQTXYZ crowd. So, you declaring that what he posted WAS Political, essentially calling him a liar, is in and of itself a specious argument and is fact a LIE. Do me / us all a favor, turn down your suitpant nation volume knob and give us all a rest. I know he did not personally intend it to be political, but it is a political talking point, and pointing that out does not call him a liar. Here is a good rule of thumb: if you have to include a disclaimer in your post like, "I'm not being political but...." you probably are being political! LoL, of course he meant it to be political. He's been lighting flames since he arrived on the pipe boards a few years ago. He's probably had more threads closed or removed than anyone active on the boards today.  |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 10, 2018 16:55:40 GMT -5
The original post seemed innocuous enough to me at first blush, and inspired by nostalgia I almost commented generally and non-judgmentally on how times have changed since I was a Cub Scout, content to leave it at that. But then gasoline entered the room across the floor and all was aflame...
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Post by papipeguy on Jun 10, 2018 17:00:53 GMT -5
OK, another thread that I'm going to close. Must be a full moon out somewhere. There's a reason for being able to PM each other. One is to settle differences among yourselves. Take it outside guys.
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Just a little info on Boy Scouts, my Daughter is a Scout Leader, she and my Grandson are in Clayton Georgia for a week long campout. For those of you who don't know she was a Crew Chief on a C-130 Gun ship. She told me her take on the present situation, she was appalled that condoms were pushed for the boys at the big jamboree, as I. She says the Girl Scouts have morphed into Cookie sellers, they Girl Scout leaders are not teaching the girls skills that they need. I taught her to take apart a shotgun, change oil in my truck, drive my truck, skills that girls should have. They will tear down a good Orginazation it seems, very sad to see this, this is not political so please no big hooraw, just facts as seen from the inside.
