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Post by haebar on Jun 20, 2018 16:30:16 GMT -5
I am considering trading with someone for some 10-year old Gatlinburlier Cades Cove Cavendish but am not sure about it. Do you suppose it is still good or would the additives have broken down by now to leave it unsavory? Anybody with any experience with aged aromatics. I know that they don't age like Virginias do but am just concerned that the blend may have gone south after all those years.
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Post by joeman on Jun 20, 2018 17:36:53 GMT -5
Some aros age fine, others age poorly...when considering the topping. I'd not invest very much into a 10 year old aro trade, unless I could give it a try.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 20, 2018 18:10:13 GMT -5
I have no experience with aged aromatics, but from what I have read there seems to be a consensus with what Joeman said.
I have a fair amount of aromatics jarred away, at some point I am going to try doctoring some of them up with burleys.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2018 18:56:22 GMT -5
Some aros age fine, others age poorly...when considering the topping. I'd not invest very much into a 10 year old aro trade, unless I could give it a try. Definitely what he said ^^^^^^^^^^^^👍 |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 20, 2018 19:47:28 GMT -5
Aros, if stored in air tight jars or vacuum sealed tins may either have improved some or not degraded. Poor storage conditions should be avoided.
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Post by peteguy on Jun 20, 2018 20:37:52 GMT -5
Aros, if stored in air tight jars or vacuum sealed tins may either have improved some or not degraded. Poor storage conditions should be avoided. I agree with this. I have smoked some aros that I had in a mason jar for 5 years and they seemed the same to me. I have left some out for 6 months on accident - just left them in the tin - and they somewhat lost the whiskey. |
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Post by haebar on Jun 21, 2018 11:48:13 GMT -5
Thanks for all of your replies; I have decided not to trade for it without having tasted it.
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Post by AJ on Jun 21, 2018 11:58:13 GMT -5
Thanks for all of your replies; I have decided not to trade for it without having tasted it. I believe this to be a wise decision. Aromatics stored in a tightly closed Mason Jar are usually just fine for at least five years but having never tried any Aromatics stored longer than five years I would insist on trying it before trading or investing any money. AJ |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 21, 2018 15:21:06 GMT -5
I believe that it was Sablebrush that commented once that after opening a really old sealed tin of tobacco, you should smoke through it sooner than later. The tobacco tends to lose a lot of what made it special in the maturing process once you unseal it.
I wonder if that would also hold true with an aromatic?
My guess would be yes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 16:24:19 GMT -5
I had some fourteen year old McClelland Best of Show Aromatic. I also had a new tin. The new tin had ketchup on top of the sweet toppings. The 2003 tin had none of that and it smelled so good you wanted to mix it with some ice cream. They both smoked the way they smelled, so this aro def benefited from it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 17:01:16 GMT -5
Thanks for all of your replies; I have decided not to trade for it without having tasted it. Good move, you really don’t know how the tobacco’s were stored. Like the above stated....there is a much better chance an aromatic will be just fine after 5 to10 years of storage if stored properly in jars. I have MUCH Carter Hall pre 2001 stored in Mason/Ball jars. All smoke far superior than fresh. Never had a mold issue with any tobacco’s I’ve jarred in the past 👍👍👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 17:05:27 GMT -5
I had some fourteen year old McClelland Best of Show Aromatic. I also had a new tin. The new tin had ketchup on top of the sweet toppings. The 2003 tin had none of that and it smelled so good you wanted to mix it with some ice cream. They both smoked the way they smelled, so this aro def benefited from it That’s a good thing for me, I enjoy McC’s blends but for me that aroma of vinegar/ketchup is not for me! I know there are MANY pipe smokers that really enjoy that fresh McC’s vinegar/ ketchup taste and aroma. ALL blends are subjective to each pipe smoker. Just my opinion. |
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Post by haebar on Jun 21, 2018 17:15:22 GMT -5
Thanks for all of your replies; I have decided not to trade for it without having tasted it. Good move, you really don’t know how the tobacco’s were stored. Like the above stated....there is a much better chance an aromatic will be just fine after 5 to10 years of storage if stored properly in jars. I have MUCH Carter Hall pre 2001 stored in Mason/Ball jars. All smoke far superior than fresh. Never had a mold issue with any tobacco’s I’ve jarred in the past 👍👍👍 I found out that this tobacco has been stored in a bag all that time; so it is probably in poor shape. |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 22, 2018 3:52:40 GMT -5
Good move, you really don’t know how the tobacco’s were stored. Like the above stated....there is a much better chance an aromatic will be just fine after 5 to10 years of storage if stored properly in jars. I have MUCH Carter Hall pre 2001 stored in Mason/Ball jars. All smoke far superior than fresh. Never had a mold issue with any tobacco’s I’ve jarred in the past 👍👍👍 I found out that this tobacco has been stored in a bag all that time; so it is probably in poor shape. Not necessarily poor shape, just different. I have many aros that were gifted to me in plastic baggies several years ago and they are still goopy wet with most if not all flavors intact (I never bothered to jar them). The drier-made aros, on the other hand, tend not to retain their flavorings as they will dissipate/evaporate more readily. In all cases however, good storage mediums make the best sense. |
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Post by haebar on Jun 22, 2018 4:15:30 GMT -5
I found out that this tobacco has been stored in a bag all that time; so it is probably in poor shape. Not necessarily poor shape, just different. I have many aros that were gifted to me in plastic baggies several years ago and they are still goopy wet with most if not all flavors intact (I never bothered to jar them). The drier-made aros, on the other hand, tend not to retain their flavorings as they will dissipate/evaporate more readily. In all cases however, good storage mediums make the best sense. I have found that aromatics, due to their various toppings, tend to interact with plastic bags when stored for two or more years. Plastics degrade over time on their own but this process can be accelerated by the addition of other components, such as tobacco casings. Bulk tobaccos are shipped in big plastic bags but they are not meant to be stored in them for an extended period of time. It is expected that retailers will, at some point, transfer the tobacco to glass tobacconist jars. I found this out the hard way when I won a silent auction for a five pound bag of a Dunhill aromatic blend at the Nashville Pipe Show in 2015. After getting home, I soon discovered that the tobacco was unsmokeable - it would burn your mouth no matter how slowly you tried to smoke it. The casing had broken down and interacted with the plastic bag and rendered the tobacco useless. I sent some to a fellow who was a retired tobacconist and he said that he recognized a breakdown product of alcohol, acetaldehyde, in the smoke. |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 22, 2018 7:24:51 GMT -5
Not necessarily poor shape, just different. I have many aros that were gifted to me in plastic baggies several years ago and they are still goopy wet with most if not all flavors intact (I never bothered to jar them). The drier-made aros, on the other hand, tend not to retain their flavorings as they will dissipate/evaporate more readily. In all cases however, good storage mediums make the best sense. I have found that aromatics, due to their various toppings, tend to interact with plastic bags when stored for two or more years. Plastics degrade over time on their own but this process can be accelerated by the addition of other components, such as tobacco casings. Bulk tobaccos are shipped in big plastic bags but they are not meant to be stored in them for an extended period of time. It is expected that retailers will, at some point, transfer the tobacco to glass tobacconist jars. I found this out the hard way when I won a silent auction for a five pound bag of a Dunhill aromatic blend at the Nashville Pipe Show in 2015. After getting home, I soon discovered that the tobacco was unsmokeable - it would burn your mouth no matter how slowly you tried to smoke it. The casing had broken down and interacted with the plastic bag and rendered the tobacco useless. I sent some to a fellow who was a retired tobacconist and he said that he recognized a breakdown product of alcohol, acetaldehyde, in the smoke. Good to be reminded of that very important fact, which I carelessly forgot! Will transfer to jars ASAP if not too late. Thanks! |
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