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Post by zambini on Jun 21, 2018 12:48:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty surprised it was only a 5-4 decision.
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Post by AJ on Jun 21, 2018 13:19:43 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 14:50:33 GMT -5
This is quite multi-faceted but could very possibly have a chilling effect on selling or shipping tobacco across state lines. A buddy of mine who works for USPS informed me it's actually already against the law to ship tobacco across state lines without a permit due to tax implications. Not my field of expertise; however, I could easily see this being the last shoe that drops on sale of tobacco over the Internet.
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Post by trailboss on Jun 21, 2018 15:01:03 GMT -5
I couldn’t agree more, it is up to the people that represent the citizen to do their legislative duty on issues like this... and the voter can hold them accountable or support them in the future based on their decisions.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 21, 2018 15:12:16 GMT -5
This one's too easy to delve into politics.
So all I'm going to say is we're screwed no
matter what.
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 21, 2018 15:55:11 GMT -5
UGh!
While, I agree with the dissent, I wasn't surprised with the decision. This is further justification to stock up now. I don't want to speculate what the next disappointment will be.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 16:13:59 GMT -5
Okay, let’s be honest....who didn’t see this coming!!! The State and Feds lose millions, if not a billion or two annually from people shopping online. It was inevitable! My cellar is technically overstocked and the reality is I don’t “ need “ to purchase any more tobacco......but I most likely will until the tax bites!!!
According to what’s listed on my spreadsheets....if I smoke 15 Pipes a day @ age 66, I have enough good blends if I lived to the ripe old age of 114.3 years. That ain’t happening!!!
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I’m sure Mr. JimInks has most of us beat 👍👍👍. So, if a tobacco apocalypse hits Jim better hide in his secret bunker 😃😂😃😂
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 16:39:30 GMT -5
Okay, let’s be honest....who didn’t see this coming!!! The State and Feds lose millions, if not a billion or two annually from people shopping online. It was inevitable! My cellar is technically overstocked and the reality is I don’t “ need “ to purchase any more tobacco......but I most likely will until the tax bites!!! According to what’s listed on my spreadsheets....if I smoke 15 Pipes a day @ age 66, I have enough good blends if I lived to the ripe old age of 114.3 years. That ain’t happening!!! PS
I’m sure Mr. JimInks has most of us beat 👍👍👍. So, if a tobacco apocalypse hits Jim better hide in his secret bunker 😃😂😃😂 +1 |
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Post by Wolfman on Jun 21, 2018 17:15:32 GMT -5
Okay, let’s be honest....who didn’t see this coming!!! The State and Feds lose millions, if not a billion or two annually from people shopping online. It was inevitable! My cellar is technically overstocked and the reality is I don’t “ need “ to purchase any more tobacco......but I most likely will until the tax bites!!! According to what’s listed on my spreadsheets....if I smoke 15 Pipes a day @ age 66, I have enough good blends if I lived to the ripe old age of 114.3 years. That ain’t happening!!! PS
I’m sure Mr. JimInks has most of us beat 👍👍👍. So, if a tobacco apocalypse hits Jim better hide in his secret bunker 😃😂😃😂 Ted, If there’s ever a nuclear war, I would be willing to rent a room in your fallout shelter! |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 21, 2018 17:26:05 GMT -5
Okay, let’s be honest....who didn’t see this coming!!! The State and Feds lose millions, if not a billion or two annually from people shopping online. It was inevitable! My cellar is technically overstocked and the reality is I don’t “ need “ to purchase any more tobacco......but I most likely will until the tax bites!!! According to what’s listed on my spreadsheets....if I smoke 15 Pipes a day @ age 66, I have enough good blends if I lived to the ripe old age of 114.3 years. That ain’t happening!!! PS
I’m sure Mr. JimInks has most of us beat 👍👍👍. So, if a tobacco apocalypse hits Jim better hide in his secret bunker 😃😂😃😂 Ted, If there’s ever a nuclear war, I would be willing to rent a room in your fallout shelter! I'll be right behind you. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 18:00:34 GMT -5
This sucks - but even if you have all the tobacco you'll ever need, there's still pipes.... not to mention books, electronics, and whatever else you buy online. It was kind of a loophole in the system, but one that worked for ordinary people for once.
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Post by arturo7 on Jun 21, 2018 19:48:17 GMT -5
I think a lot of B&M tobacconists will be happy with this ruling.
I'd much rather deal with a local business than an online seller.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 20:05:06 GMT -5
Wolfman & Legend lover.....with the nuclear fallout that would occur I would not have the heart to charge either of you rent. But I’d be scared $hit to open the door and let you in......lol. God knows what you two would look like....especially that long trip from Ireland. LMAO!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 20:11:11 GMT -5
It was inevitable. You younger members will one day tell your grand kids that you remember when the Internet was unregulated.
This is the first significant move on the part of Government to gain total control and regulation of the Net.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 20:32:43 GMT -5
It was inevitable. You younger members will one day tell your grand kids that you remember when the Internet was unregulated. This is the first significant move on the part of Government to gain total control and regulation of the Net. The second, after the whole net neutrality debacle. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 21:02:23 GMT -5
It was inevitable. You younger members will one day tell your grand kids that you remember when the Internet was unregulated. This is the first significant move on the part of Government to gain total control and regulation of the Net. I can understand how some would view it in this manner but it appears to be more about commerce in this particular instance. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 21, 2018 21:16:15 GMT -5
I think a lot of B&M tobacconists will be happy with this ruling. I'd much rather deal with a local business than an online seller. I would rather the government give relief to the B&M’s than to tax online purchasers. The government doesn’t have a funding problem, the government has a spending problem. |
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Post by haebar on Jun 21, 2018 21:22:29 GMT -5
I'm surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. Once they get this underway, states will have a significant source of revenue. Glad I've got my cellar full already. Our sales tax here in Tennessee is around 10%, counting state and local. What is yours?
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Post by arturo7 on Jun 21, 2018 22:14:46 GMT -5
The government doesn’t have a funding problem, the government has a spending problem.
On this we agree completely.
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Post by william on Jun 21, 2018 22:27:17 GMT -5
I'm surprised that this hasn't happened sooner. Once they get this underway, states will have a significant source of revenue. Glad I've got my cellar full already. Our sales tax here in Tennessee is around 10%, counting state and local. What is yours? City, county, and state tax total 10% here too.  |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 21, 2018 22:28:46 GMT -5
Supposedly, this is all the nonsense is proposed for our own good and concern for our health. Juvenile diabetes is a real problem, and so it is with adults....start regulating sugar products to the degree that tobacco products are. Excessive sodium intake is bad for the heart, maybe a Cheetos tax...$15.00 per ounce of Cheetos or any other salty snack. Alcohol is a big one...broken families, destroyed livers...maybe a $100 tax on a 750 ml bottle of booze. If is is where we want to go, maybe we should just go full bore on prohibition, because it worked out so well last time.  |
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 22, 2018 1:27:38 GMT -5
Enforcing the user taxes already on the books was inevitable, which is why I paid mine all along. The question is whether states will move to request purchase information from online sellers in order to attempt to collect on user taxes already owed but unpaid. Personally, this won't affect me one way or the other.
B&M's have been screaming bloody murder over online businesses having what they consider an unfair advantage. The monetization of the Net is accelerating.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 22, 2018 1:46:55 GMT -5
Wolfman & Legend lover.....with the nuclear fallout that would occur I would not have the heart to charge either of you rent. But I’d be scared $hit to open the door and let you in......lol. God knows what you two would look like....especially that long trip from Ireland. LMAO!!! it would be an improvement. And, if the movies have told us anything, all these catastrophies only happen in the states. You guys can come to Ireland (just bring your cellars with you). |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 22, 2018 2:04:33 GMT -5
Supposedly, this is all the nonsense is proposed for our own good and concern for our health. Juvenile diabetes is a real problem, and so it is with adults....start regulating sugar products to the degree that tobacco products are. Excessive sodium intake is bad for the heart, maybe a Cheetos tax...$15.00 per ounce of Cheetos or any other salty snack. Alcohol is a big one...broken families, destroyed livers...maybe a $100 tax on a 750 ml bottle of booze. If is is where we want to go, maybe we should just go full bore on prohibition, because it worked out so well last time. The UK has recently enforced a sugar-tax. It's only a matter of time before there's an aspartame tax too. |
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Post by trailboss on Jun 22, 2018 17:06:35 GMT -5
Supposedly, this is all the nonsense is proposed for our own good and concern for our health. Juvenile diabetes is a real problem, and so it is with adults....start regulating sugar products to the degree that tobacco products are. Excessive sodium intake is bad for the heart, maybe a Cheetos tax...$15.00 per ounce of Cheetos or any other salty snack. Alcohol is a big one...broken families, destroyed livers...maybe a $100 tax on a 750 ml bottle of booze. If is is where we want to go, maybe we should just go full bore on prohibition, because it worked out so well last time. Oops... I thought I had posted this in the NJ tobacco tax thread.... Brain fart. |
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Post by username on Jun 22, 2018 19:27:05 GMT -5
IRC and I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you supposed to be paying them already. It went self reported on your tax’ forms. Just most people didn’t do that.
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Post by sablebrush52 on Jun 22, 2018 20:13:46 GMT -5
IRC and I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you supposed to be paying them already. It went self reported on your tax’ forms. Just most people didn’t do that. That's correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 21:17:02 GMT -5
IRC and I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t you supposed to be paying them already. It went self reported on your tax’ forms. Just most people didn’t do that. So all this time we're supposed to have been keeping track of all our online purchases, calculating the taxes on them, and paying them with our tax returns? I have never heard of an accountant asking, "any online purchases this year?" |
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Post by Matthew on Jun 22, 2018 21:26:32 GMT -5
Ok,so here in Oklahoma,businesses that charge a sales tax
have to have a "Sales Tax Permit".Are they going to require
internet companies that ship here to acquire one or are they
going to discontinue the fee charged to get one.Also companies
that return $2500 or more in collections have to enroll in a
"Data Sharing" software,is amazon,ebay,P&C,etc going to enroll
or be exempt.Or will they just stop the internet sales altogether.
I don't know about yous guyz,but I'm getting my tin foil hat ready.
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Post by zambini on Jun 22, 2018 22:22:58 GMT -5
It really seems that Congress would need to step up and create a single framework but barring this each state will have the choice to crete their own law. At the moment the only one avaled by the Supreme Court is South Dakota's so I'd expect other states to pass very similar ones.
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Hardly a surprise. We’re taxed at every turn anyway. 
