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Post by jeffd on Jun 24, 2018 13:46:13 GMT -5
Never, except by accident. I don't like the feeling, myself.
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Post by Darin on Jun 24, 2018 13:53:33 GMT -5
Since 80% of taste is actually smell, a pipe smoker cannot possibly detect much flavor without the retro-hale.
Same goes for wine, coffee, etc ... it needs to be aerated and have that air pass through the upper palate.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jun 26, 2018 7:49:51 GMT -5
it happened to me two or three times by accident when i first started smoking. hasn't happened since. no idea how to do it on purpose.
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Post by jeffd on Jun 26, 2018 8:22:27 GMT -5
Since 80% of taste is actually smell, a pipe smoker cannot possibly detect much flavor without the retro-hale. Sure I can. I can smell the smoke, I just don't need to run it through backwards.  I think (but don't really know) that a retro-hale is easier for someone who has some experience smoking cigarettes. I never was a cigarette smoker. My few alcohol induced cigarette attempts were faux smoking to impress (I thought) others at the bar. I smoked them like I would a cigar, not really inhaling. I cannot get smoke back past my throat without a coughing fit. And in my attempts to retro-hale I don't see how I can do it without getting the smoke past there. Its curious that I can smell the smoke enough to taste it, because even a sniff brings smoke back down into the lungs. |
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Post by Baboo on Jun 26, 2018 8:49:09 GMT -5
Folks who are able to see from one eye only unfortunately lack depth perception. Purported inability to push smoke from mouth into and through the nose also inhibits a specific and broad perception of depth from the flavor palette. The throat is not involved or bypassed when able to do so. If one does not involve the nasal passages (retrohaling) while eating, drinking, chewing gum, whatever, flavors are mostly relegated to vague perceptions of salty, sweet, bitter, sour, but without the myriad nuances that distinguish flavors. Admittedly at risk of ruffling feathers by my insistence, I suspect there is much more retrohaling going on among we pipe smokers than is realized.
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Post by jeffd on Jun 26, 2018 9:05:34 GMT -5
Well I am willing to agree to disagree. And if I change my mind due to sudden success at a retro-hale, I will let everyone know.
I think the most important thing in discerning nuance is labeling. Once you can put a name to the individual parts of what you taste, you start the process of discernment. That was the most important lesson I learned in my wine tasting club experiences. I never got any good, but I surprised myself with how good I got. And my perception was that it was a mental thing - putting stuff into words, labeling things and being able to mentally refer to them, makes them into things to which we can refer. Experience changes.
In any event, I will enjoy smoking with you, whether or not you retro-hale, whether or not you even appreciate subtle nuance. Hey, even if you enjoy Taylor Swift. A smoking buddy is a smoking buddy.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 26, 2018 13:13:21 GMT -5
Since 80% of taste is actually smell, a pipe smoker cannot possibly detect much flavor without the retro-hale. Sure I can. I can smell the smoke, I just don't need to run it through backwards. I think (but don't really know) that a retro-hale is easier for someone who has some experience smoking cigarettes. I never was a cigarette smoker. My few alcohol induced cigarette attempts were faux smoking to impress (I thought) others at the bar. I smoked them like I would a cigar, not really inhaling. I cannot get smoke back past my throat without a coughing fit. And in my attempts to retro-hale I don't see how I can do it without getting the smoke past there. Its curious that I can smell the smoke enough to taste it, because even a sniff brings smoke back down into the lungs. I smell the smoke for the majority of the time, but when I do snork, the smell coming backwards is certainly different, for what it's worth. That said, I prefer the smoke going in forwards. |
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Post by Matthew on Jun 26, 2018 14:54:38 GMT -5
Well I am willing to agree to disagree. And if I change my mind due to sudden success at a retro-hale, I will let everyone know. I think the most important thing in discerning nuance is labeling. Once you can put a name to the individual parts of what you taste, you start the process of discernment. That was the most important lesson I learned in my wine tasting club experiences. I never got any good, but I surprised myself with how good I got. And my perception was that it was a mental thing - putting stuff into words, labeling things and being able to mentally refer to them, makes them into things to which we can refer. Experience changes. In any event, I will enjoy smoking with you, whether or not you retro-hale, whether or not you even appreciate subtle nuance. Hey, even if you enjoy Taylor Swift. A smoking buddy is a smoking buddy. A) I do like Taylor Swift. Being a cigarette smoker,retro-haling is much easier. But I can not inhale pipe smoke at all.Whether or not you can/will retro-hale is moot as long as you can pick out those blends that you enjoy.I had a tin of Marlin Flake that to me smelled of rotten pickles,but the taste was exhilarating.So while it took some time I kept it around and only smoked it outdoors where I couldn't smell it. So to retro-hale or not,I agree that is up to the individual and I'll gladly burn some crops with you. |
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Post by Darin on Jun 26, 2018 15:02:13 GMT -5
Guys, retro-haling does not involve inhaling in any way. The smoke is only in your mouth and then out the nose. Never down the throat or in the lungs.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 26, 2018 15:07:33 GMT -5
Guys, retro-haling does not involve inhaling in any way. The smoke is only in your mouth and then out the nose. Never down the throat or in the lungs. I'm sorry if I was unclear.I did not intend to suggest that Retro- haling was equivalent to inhaling. Only that there a few members here that can and do inhale a couple times during a bowl and that I can not do that.Whereas retro-haling is something I can do since the membranes in my nasal passage are already abused and numbed. |
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Post by jeffd on Jun 26, 2018 15:13:42 GMT -5
Guys, retro-haling does not involve inhaling in any way. The smoke is only in your mouth and then out the nose. Never down the throat or in the lungs. I am trying to understand this. There is no connection between mouth and nose that doesn't go through the throat. Goes behind the tongue. I agree that its not the same as inhaling, but I cannot get any smoke to my nose without first it hits the back of my throat. In normal smoking nothing gets behind my tongue. I just tried it again a few times to confirm. I must be doing something wrong. I look forward to meeting up with you retro-halers at a pipe show and have you coach me through it. The other thing I am skeptical about is that I really don't think I could enjoy my Billy Budd Blonde any more than I do, regardless of the technique. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jun 26, 2018 17:42:16 GMT -5
Guys, retro-haling does not involve inhaling in any way. The smoke is only in your mouth and then out the nose. Never down the throat or in the lungs. I am trying to understand this. There is no connection between mouth and nose that doesn't go through the throat. Goes behind the tongue. I agree that its not the same as inhaling, but I cannot get any smoke to my nose without first it hits the back of my throat. In normal smoking nothing gets behind my tongue. I just tried it again a few times to confirm. I must be doing something wrong. I look forward to meeting up with you retro-halers at a pipe show and have you coach me through it. The other thing I am skeptical about is that I really don't think I could enjoy my Billy Budd Blonde any more than I do, regardless of the technique. I'm not big on physiology, but I think the smoke has to at least reach your throat in order to get through the nasal cavity...cos I think the opening is above the throat (behind the uvula). See diagram...  |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jun 26, 2018 17:47:20 GMT -5
so that is what that little thing is for!
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Post by Matthew on Jun 26, 2018 17:55:34 GMT -5
so that is what that little thing is for! I had mine pierced with a ruby dangle hanging there. You know, just wanted to pretty things up some.  |
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Post by beardedmi on Jun 26, 2018 20:28:27 GMT -5
I have a tough time retrohaling even after smoking cigarettes for 18 years. For me to learn to snork I have to (even now) close my mouth focus on not swallowing or inhaling then consciously use my tongue to push the smoke back and out my nose. I thoroughly enjoy it with a pipe and have to meter a smaller amount when smoking a cigar. Ive been without cigarettes for three years this fall and dont inhale anything without a coughing fit.
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Post by Matthew on Jun 26, 2018 21:17:19 GMT -5
I have a tough time retrohaling even after smoking cigarettes for 18 years. For me to learn to snork I have to (even now) close my mouth focus on not swallowing or inhaling then consciously use my tongue to push the smoke back and out my nose. I thoroughly enjoy it with a pipe and have to meter a smaller amount when smoking a cigar. Ive been without cigarettes for three years this fall and dont inhale anything without a coughing fit. Congrats for your accomplishment,quitting cigarettes is a major victory (IMHO).I however have been smoking cigarettes for almost 40 years and other than a peppery burn that I had to overcome at first,retro-hale came rather naturally.For those who don't or can't don't stress on it.Enjoy your smoke your way. |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jun 26, 2018 22:49:26 GMT -5
so that is what that little thing is for! I had mine pierced with a ruby dangle hanging there. You know, just wanted to pretty things up some.  |
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Post by Darin on Jun 27, 2018 0:57:53 GMT -5
I am trying to understand this. There is no connection between mouth and nose that doesn't go through the throat. Goes behind the tongue. I agree that its not the same as inhaling, but I cannot get any smoke to my nose without first it hits the back of my throat. In normal smoking nothing gets behind my tongue. I just tried it again a few times to confirm. I must be doing something wrong. I look forward to meeting up with you retro-halers at a pipe show and have you coach me through it. The other thing I am skeptical about is that I really don't think I could enjoy my Billy Budd Blonde any more than I do, regardless of the technique. I'm not big on physiology, but I think the smoke has to at least reach your throat in order to get through the nasal cavity...cos I think the opening is above the throat (behind the uvula). See diagram... That picture shows the uvula closed. When open, the smoke can go directly up through the nasopharynx and out the nose rather than down towards the laryngopharynx and onward to the trachea. For my previous explanation, down the trachea is what I meant by "throat". |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 21:45:07 GMT -5
oh, but it's especially good with heavy Perique blend! I do it anyway, but it's definitely not as enjoyable. I do find I get more flavor if I retrosnorkahale whatever I'm smoking. I've heard others say the same thing. Not knocking it. I think it's physically easier for some to do this than others. I worked at it and can do it, but I don't like the sensation. Well, I have an update on snorking/retrohaling. I seemed to have mastered it during my current bowl of Blockade Runner and it's physically much easier for me and the sensation is more pleasant. Interesting. Not sure it's something I will do often, but I'll have to try it with other types of tobacco. |
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Post by Scott W on Jan 5, 2019 21:55:03 GMT -5
I snork A LOT. Almost a whole pipe sometimes. Just wondering what the snorking average is around here. Me too, the whole pipe every time no matter what the tobacco. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:13:16 GMT -5
Well now I can't stop doing it. Kinda fun.  ![]() |
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Post by morallynomadic on Jan 5, 2019 23:11:23 GMT -5
I have always retrohaled just as a natural motion.. I remember when someone explained the terminology to me and I thought that it was weird that it had its own term because I just assumed that's how people smoked.
I also think the descriptions of how it's done can get a little overcomplicated. I just draw on my pipe, then exhale through my nose. The smoke just gets pulled with my breath.
I also tried consciously smoking without doing it once I found out it was a technique not everyone used, and I don't think I'd smoke a pipe without it. For me at least, almost all of the profile is in the nose. The smoke itself has very little "flavor" to me, it's all in the scent. Not retrohaling is kind of like eating a meal while holding your nose closed. 🤷🏿♂️
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jan 6, 2019 0:31:12 GMT -5
Probably 60% of the time
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Post by monbla256 on Jan 6, 2019 8:12:36 GMT -5
Very rarely. I do it once in a while if I am trying to find some "hidden" flavors, but overall I don't enjoy it or think it does much other than irritate my sinuses and nasal passages.  |
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Post by 5star on Jan 7, 2019 20:18:43 GMT -5
Sometimes a time or two during a bowl, especially if a blend is new to me. Same with a cigar. You can often pick up flavors that you might otherwise miss.
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Post by jackdiamond on Jan 7, 2019 20:23:19 GMT -5
I do it a lot, actually. I don't know that it makes me any better at detecting flavors; I just kinda instinctively do it.
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Post by monbla256 on Jan 7, 2019 20:37:54 GMT -5
Retrohale/expelling smoke - taken in through the mouth and out the nose : Always... this is how I am able to taste, be it food, drink, or smoke. Snork, as in, pulling in/sniffing/whiffing airborne bowl-smoke or smoke expelled from the mouth back in through the nose... as often as possible, as it adds to the tobacco flavor experience. Immediate environ needs to be windless. |
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Post by kbareit on Jan 7, 2019 20:38:06 GMT -5
I do it all the time and not really on purpose it's more a habit.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jan 7, 2019 21:01:55 GMT -5
Mostly with aros but particularly with butternut burley...love the taste and smell and can do both with this tobacco.
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Post by desolbones on Jan 8, 2019 0:07:42 GMT -5
Snork/retrohale? Yes almost constantly
But do you blow smoke in your Scotch, cover the glass and swirl it, just to get a smokier flavor?
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