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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 11, 2018 15:23:02 GMT -5
Just received this from our hosting provider: This error message was a direct result of side-effects of a code push we performed yesterday. There was a very brief window yesterday where users may have received that error due to an update we pushed relating to security certificates. They were temporarily revoked during that window but were reinstated immediately after the completion of the code push. The SSL certificate you have installed alongside your domain name ensures that any information your users send or receive from the forum is private. On our end we have several monitoring systems in place to ensure that the data we store stays private and protected, as well as our systems team which actively monitors traffic to ensure that no malicious attempts to access the backend of our service are being performed. Thanks sparks, just noticed the middle of the thread  Seriously guys, if you are worried about security, consider FreeBSD and a good pf ruleset. Its just a little bit of work but once you have everything set up, bsd is a very low maintenance OS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 15:33:03 GMT -5
I have always kept up with Linux. Mac for a while, but when part of the Mac goes you wind up full replacement.
Linux is still just a bit clunky for me. They did take off the mandatory login, now that Windows put it on. Most of my issues with linux are the placement of the carat when clicking an item. It never seems to be the same twice. In Windows, as long as you're within a thousand feet you can click at any time
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Post by just ol ed on Jul 11, 2018 15:47:41 GMT -5
adding my thanx to Sparks, Coyote & others for supplying the information. However, in my creaky years, near all of the "terminology" is, to me, just a combo of Klingon, Vulcan & other assorted gibberish. All cheers to the IT types who can actually understand it all.
Ed "NOT Mr. techno" Duncan, Batavia, NY
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Post by just ol ed on Jul 11, 2018 15:48:05 GMT -5
adding my thanx to Sparks, Coyote & others for supplying the information. However, in my creaky years, near all of the "terminology" is, to me, just a combo of Klingon, Vulcan & other assorted gibberish. All cheers to the IT types who can actually understand it all.
Ed "NOT Mr. techno" Duncan, Batavia, NY
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 11, 2018 15:51:27 GMT -5
I have always kept up with Linux. Mac for a while, but when part of the Mac goes you wind up full replacement. Linux is still just a bit clunky for me. They did take off the mandatory login, now that Windows put it on. Most of my issues with linux are the placement of the carat when clicking an item. It never seems to be the same twice. In Windows, as long as you're within a thousand feet you can click at any time I do some work for some friends and family keeping Debian running on their machines. Its what works best for them because they do no want to pay for software but also aren't really computer people. As you can see from the table below, the Berkeley Software Distribution is actually a Unix SVR4 descendant, and aside from a similar CLI, and cross-platform software support, actually has very little in common with Linux. So its not a Linux distro. BSD was primarily created by Ken Thompson who was an original Bell Labs guy, if not the main Bell Labs guy behind the original Unix.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 15:55:59 GMT -5
Couldn't even get BSD to install properly. All the other Linux distros install like butter
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 11, 2018 16:02:15 GMT -5
Couldn't even get BSD to install properly. All the other Linux distros install like butter BSD is not a linux distribution. Linux was created separately by Linus Torvalds and has nothing in common with BSD besides being based on AT&T Unix. The best thing to do is follow the handbook. www.freebsd.org/doc/handbook/Most of the linux distributions were created to be more user friendly. BSD was created to have a great toolset as well as security. That is the key difference. Nicole summarises the installation here: cooltrainer.org/a-freebsd-desktop-howto/If anyone chooses to install, my recommendation is to follow Nicole's guide, but also READ the handbook to understand what you are actually doing, before you do it. When you want to tweak things later, you'll be glad you have a better understanding of what you are actually doing. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 11, 2018 16:04:50 GMT -5
I don't mean to sound snobbish at all here, by the way. BSD just isn't for everyone. That's why we have less than 1% user share! BSD is just fun if you enjoy tinkering with open source tech. Some people would probably rather roll in mud. If that's not your bag, BSD probably isn't for you!  |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 11, 2018 16:57:36 GMT -5
I guess I should mention here, that if anyone is in the Virginia or Western Pennsylvania area and have a computer that is maybe just 7-8 years old or even less than that, also maybe aren't incredibly computer proficient, and have been trouble with a slow computer, or a computer that isn't operable at all (as long as there wasn't physical trauma to the device), I'll happily get a Debian operating system running on it. You'd be surprised how fast your computer will go with this installed on it! My parents are in their 70s and they both use Debian now, and neither one of them know a thing about computers, or tech in general. The only thing I'll charge is a few bowls of good pipe tobacco! I do this for many friends and family, and its not a big deal at all.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 11, 2018 22:43:20 GMT -5
Then try installing Gentoo by hand! At my last tech job, the way we started to learn Linux (many of us hadn't worked with it), was to install Gentoo long hand. Took me a damn week 
That said, we were making servers, so we didn't use the GUIs. Fortunately, we switched to Ubuntu, which I liked better (albeit without the GUI). The GUI Ubuntu does install like butter; I have a USB Ubuntu boot drive for when I really break Windows  Been using it to perform forensics on my main 1TB drive that one day Windows decided was RAW. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 1:02:44 GMT -5
Couldn't even get BSD to install properly. All the other Linux distros install like butter BSD has issues with some chipsets and/or video drivers. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 1:14:02 GMT -5
At times I use a flash drive plugged into one of my USB ports that has knoppix on it and boot to another simple OS. If your bios allows you to set up boot off USB it’s a great way to surf the net flawlessly and much more. I go way back to Mandrake, now known as Mandriva.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 12, 2018 1:29:07 GMT -5
At times I use a flash drive plugged into one of my USB ports that has knoppix on it and boot to another simple OS. If your bios allows you to set up boot off USB it’s a great way to surf the net flawlessly and much more. I go way back to Mandrake, now known as Mandriva. I do the same thing with puppy linux. Especially while traveling, I do it for security purposes. As far as BSD chipset support: www.freebsd.org/releases/11.2R/hardware.htmlOn video drivers, BSD has native support for Intel and Radeon. There is a decent amount of nvidia video drivers available in the ports collection. I use a rather old video card myself, and the nvidia 304 driver works flawlessly for this purpose. The main thing with FreeBSD is you need to be comfortable tuning the operating system to meet your hardware needs from the command line. If this isn't your bag, and you want all of this scripted for you, you should look elsewhere. I grew up in the 80s and early 90s when this kind of tinkering was far more common, even in the more proprietary systems like PC-DOS. These days, though, most people want a far more user friendly experience. However, FreeBSD is made for its current users, not for the mainstream audience who may want to switch operating systems. There are other OSes that fit that purpose already. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 1:35:41 GMT -5
BSD is not for everyone. My friends PC had serious video and boot issues.....it’s not user friendly for most. Does not play well with Nvidia chipsets....that’s a fact.....especially nForce
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it’s decent with old chipsets and older video cards. But the average computer tech can be lost with BSD
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 12, 2018 2:11:22 GMT -5
That's what I do with my little Ubuntu 8GB thumb drive. My crappy AMD BIOS do not allow me to boot to USB, so I had to burn a boot option utility to a CD, boot to that, then to my Ubuntu 8GB.
You may make fun of me for breaking a cardinal rule and building an AMD pc - it was a cheapie pc I intended to sell on the bay just for surfing and emails, but when my main pc died, had to switch to it to even have a pc. Broke another cardinal rule and didn't buy a WD HDD, and it's the Seagate 1TB HDD Windows decided was RAW.
Always, always, Intel CPUs, WD HDDs, Antec PSUs, and NVIDIA GPUs. Plus, I can't afford an EnCase license we used to use, and freeware forensics programs suck.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 10:42:16 GMT -5
That's what I do with my little Ubuntu 8GB thumb drive. My crappy AMD BIOS do not allow me to boot to USB, so I had to burn a boot option utility to a CD, boot to that, then to my Ubuntu 8GB.
You may make fun of me for breaking a cardinal rule and building an AMD pc - it was a cheapie pc I intended to sell on the bay just for surfing and emails, but when my main pc died, had to switch to it to even have a pc. Broke another cardinal rule and didn't buy a WD HDD, and it's the Seagate 1TB HDD Windows decided was RAW.
Always, always, Intel CPUs, WD HDDs, Antec PSUs, and NVIDIA GPUs. Plus, I can't afford an EnCase license we used to use, and freeware forensics programs suck.
Check and see if there is a bios update for your motherboard. Also might be a newer bios chip available. If you can flash your bios first make sure you do a back up. For forensics I have used in the past, SIFT- SANS Investigative forensic Toolkit, BlackLight and AccessData. Different software that served me well for certain purposes. PS THE last single core AMD processor I used was the ClawHammer....when AMD first released this CPU it was selling for $1,200. I snagged one through a friend for peanuts. This single core processor was capable of being overclocked and handled the heat superbly. AMD never made a Quad Core that had those qualities of that single core I mentioned. It’s like AMD rolled over and died. Still many small business servers use dual AMD CPU’s on cheap motherboard’s. For me it’s a Tyan motherboard with 4 Quad core using Intel Xeon Scalable Platinum 8180 SkyLake 28-Core 2.5 GHz (3.8 GHz Turbo) LGA 3647 205W BX806738180 Server Processor. That would be a server that would cost $60,000 plus. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 12, 2018 17:28:15 GMT -5
Whoooosh...
That was the sound of this thread zooming over my head.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 12, 2018 19:12:34 GMT -5
BSD is not for everyone. My friends PC had serious video and boot issues.....it’s not user friendly for most. Does not play well with Nvidia chipsets....that’s a fact.....especially nForce PS it’s decent with old chipsets and older video cards. But the average computer tech can be lost with BSD Well we work hand in hand with the major manufacturers so thesedays our chipset compatibility is pretty impressive, we've come a long way: www.freebsd.org/releases/11.2R/hardware.htmlI volunteer with these guys and they really do a lot of great work. Now where you do have a solid point is with graphics card support. Of course an OS that is primarily built for serving, educational, and enterprise use is not going to work with the latest and greatest video cards! I don't know why a gamer would ever even mess with FreeBSD! Unless you are playing zdoom, eduke32, or some really old emulators like higan, or even some old unix games in the terminal window, FreeBSD is useless for games! I'm just not a major gamer.. I've just never had good hand/eye coordination. I'll admit that I owned an Atari 2600, original Nintendo, and also a SNES. but that was the last new system I owned! I just suck at games! I use computers because I like to learn things on them! That all said, I love Linux. I think its better for the mainstream. I just like FreeBSD more for me! I like Linus Torvalds' attitude with operating systems, "use what works!" |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 19:32:30 GMT -5
BSD is not for everyone. My friends PC had serious video and boot issues.....it’s not user friendly for most. Does not play well with Nvidia chipsets....that’s a fact.....especially nForce PS it’s decent with old chipsets and older video cards. But the average computer tech can be lost with BSD Well we work hand in hand with the major manufacturers so thesedays our chipset compatibility is pretty impressive, we've come a long way: www.freebsd.org/releases/11.2R/hardware.htmlI volunteer with these guys and they really do a lot of great work. Now where you do have a solid point is with graphics card support. Of course an OS that is primarily built for serving, educational, and enterprise use is not going to work with the latest and greatest video cards! I don't know why a gamer would ever even mess with FreeBSD! Unless you are playing zdoom, eduke32, or some really old emulators like higan, or even some old unix games in the terminal window, FreeBSD is useless for games! I'm just not a major gamer.. I've just never had good hand/eye coordination. I'll admit that I owned an Atari 2600, original Nintendo, and also a SNES. but that was the last new system I owned! I just suck at games! I use computers because I like to learn things on them! That all said, I love Linux. I think its better for the mainstream. I just like FreeBSD more for me! I like Linus Torvalds' attitude with operating systems, "use what works!" With dual boot set up properly in the bios, my friends son is a BIG online gamer and because of the graphics card he’s using BSD would boot, it shut down and re-boot. My last trip to NY I installed Mandriva with no issues. Even had the driver package for his weird...hardly used on many motherboards...NVIDIA Ethernet Driver....Windows 10..64bit. Of course I gave him the option of changing his video card....YOU EVER TRY TO OFFER THAT TO A GAMER WITH NO ISSUES.....it was impossible. I’d rather he let be as well, Gob forbid a year down the road the new video card fails....it would be my fault in his mind....in mine....NOT. You should definitely know and understand when your dealing with the public and a “ know it all “!!! PS In the last 5 years BSD has come a long way with driver support....I’ll give you that much. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 12, 2018 19:37:23 GMT -5
I'm just not sure _WHY_ so many operating systems went off the beaten path into so much bloat. Even Windows was not so bad with 3.14 I think was the last version I used at home. You know I've got this crazy theory, and I am not the only one, that the major OS and software companies are in collusion with the big hardware companies to force consumers into buying new products. A consumer that keeps a computer around for 8-10 years is their worst nightmare.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 19:42:41 GMT -5
With that said above me^^^^^^^^^^^ I agree with you 100%! It’s all about the money, not the consumer. Microsoft is pushing their management software on businesses......a hefty monthly fee...like I said...” it’s all about the money “!
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 12, 2018 20:28:57 GMT -5
I did; there wasn't, that's why I burned the boot option utility. The crappy CPU I put in this machine is at least a dual-core Athlon (@ 3.4), but I had a standing rule to only build Intel machines. I just intended to build a super cheap internet pc to sell on eBay, but if you have no reputation folks ignore you.
I have tried several free forensics progs, don't remember off the top of my head what, but the main files I wanted to recover were all my Flight Simulator bgls and dds', and they were not able to do so. I had 910.9 GBs (yes, GBs) of FSX stuff I wanted. Plus, all the pics, Word files and pdfs I've been transferring from pc to pc for the last twenty years. Oh well.
I had three drives: a master boot, slave for data, and a backup I kept in the closet. The boot 1TB Windows decided was RAW, I dirty installed W7 on the backup to have something that would boot, then two weeks later the new boot backup failed to initialize with I/O errors, so I'm pretty sure that's the controller or something on the PCB and it's gone.
Now I use the old 1TB with a fresh OS install as my boot (that could go RAW any second), and my second drive is still just that, but I lost everything. Two out of three drives wigging out in two weeks was nto survivable. If I had an income, I'd be rocking a 3rd or 5th Gen i7 (the last one you can still convince to accept W7), with a 10 series GeForce Of course, microsoft convinces newer hardware manufacturers to only make drivers for their latest OS, which is why I'll never have a 7th Gen i7 (W10 only).
Have you read the W10 privacy policy?? Doesn't even put it over several pages in legalese, it's in plain English: installing this gives us access to all your private files in private folders, all your private communications etc, anything we want, whenever we want, to do with as we wish. Tell me you'd buy a house from a builder that said that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 21:35:34 GMT -5
Sometimes a dirty install can case havoc down the road, especially a serious virus/ malware in the registry. I use a program for years developed by WhiteCanyon, wipe your drive 3 times and your good to go for a clean install. This program will even tell you if and how many dead sectors are on the hard drive. Wipe the hard drive 7 times and not even a forensic scientist will recover 1kb of data....it’s that good. I’ll post a link, when you have time take a look, some good reading. You make a simple boot disk👍 www.whitecanyon.com/PS
Yes I read this......it’s ridiculous!
Have you read the W10 privacy policy?? Doesn't even put it over several pages in legalese, it's in plain English: installing this gives us access to all your private files in private folders, all your private communications etc, anything we want, whenever we want, to do with as we wish. Tell me you'd buy a house from a builder that said that.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 12, 2018 22:51:43 GMT -5
It was my backup drive and not bootable. I used the term dirty to mean I needed to keep as much of the data on it as possible when installing windows. Anyway, that was the drive that then failed to initialize with I/O errors, so I think it's gone and is in the closet, dead. I'm down to the ex-RAW Seagate 1TB as my boot and the second HDD with it's data still the second, with no backups of anything. Yay.
PS I despise microsoft, and have since 1983. Ask me about the goats I had because of their incompetence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2018 23:20:41 GMT -5
My friend above me^^^^^^^^^^you need a good cloud service as well....Backblaze B2 cloud storage.
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Post by simnettpratt on Jul 13, 2018 1:37:00 GMT -5
If I had an income I wouldn't be using a crappy 2C Athlon and a creaky 8800GTS - I'd have a real pc and a Linux firewall, and some proper backup ghosts. Also, I won't ever use any cloud service, for the same reason I won't ever install W10 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 4:31:50 GMT -5
Use a program called True Image, create a boot copy. An easy torrent to find online👍👍 If the hard drive has bad/dead sectors the program will let you know and still create an exact image of your hard drive. As long as any bad ( dead RED ) sectors are not found within the boot sectors your image will boot on the same computer you created the image from. Use the same bootable disc to transfer the image to another drive and you can save the back up of an image on an external hard drive. Another torrent you should download and burn a copy of is SpinRight, it’s an excellent hard drive maintenance tool that can move bad sectors to the end of the writable disc area of the hard drive. You can also run off a USB on a newer computer. Hope you find work soon, good luck🙏🙏🙏
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jul 13, 2018 7:07:52 GMT -5
Just received this from our hosting provider: This error message was a direct result of side-effects of a code push we performed yesterday. There was a very brief window yesterday where users may have received that error due to an update we pushed relating to security certificates. They were temporarily revoked during that window but were reinstated immediately after the completion of the code push. The SSL certificate you have installed alongside your domain name ensures that any information your users send or receive from the forum is private. On our end we have several monitoring systems in place to ensure that the data we store stays private and protected, as well as our systems team which actively monitors traffic to ensure that no malicious attempts to access the backend of our service are being performed. Well,,,,,Now I got a headache ! me too, Matthew! lol |
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Post by Lady Margaret on Jul 13, 2018 7:55:42 GMT -5
Whoooosh... That was the sound of this thread zooming over my head. agreed! i'm reaching for ibuprofen and Cherry Coke, lol. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 13, 2018 8:00:00 GMT -5
Whoooosh... That was the sound of this thread zooming over my head. agreed! i'm reaching for ibuprofen and Cherry Coke, lol. Interesting combination. |
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Been using it to perform forensics on my main 1TB drive that one day Windows decided was RAW.
