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Post by trailboss on Jul 18, 2018 21:40:03 GMT -5
I am 57, so it is from that perspective...
I understand that back in the day we used asbestos in products we shouldn't have, had cars that polluted much more than now, power plants that did the same, but we are all on a learning curve and I think in that regard we are on the right track as long as we use a healthy dose of common sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 21:44:59 GMT -5
I've always found it ironic that the plastic disposable razor debuted in the early days of environmental awareness.
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Post by Dramatwist on Jul 18, 2018 22:06:37 GMT -5
...not much of that "common sense" thing going on these days, at least around here...
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Post by trailboss on Jul 18, 2018 22:10:42 GMT -5
I've always found it ironic that the plastic disposable razor debuted in the early days of environmental awareness. i agree... Remember when the medicine cabinet had a slot to drop your razor blades in between the wall studs? Not necessarily a green thing though....I cut a fart the other day and desert dust blew out...I must be getting old.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 22:15:51 GMT -5
I’ve tried to live “ GREEN “ for a number of years. Those empty coffee pods and plastic bags the supermarket uses are destroying our environment. Back on Long Island you are “ asked “ to bring your own reusable shopping bags to the supermarket. If not your charged 5 cents for each bag at the store. From what I hear from friends up North everyone is pitching in to make the environment cleaner.
Now don’t get me started about Fracking in North Carolina!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 22:22:26 GMT -5
We are pretty green in our family. We have never bought a new car or home. We use a refillable Keurig cup, refillable water bottles and we reuse all boxes and bags, recycle everything we can and buy used clothing as often as new. Yard sales and pawn shops are my favorite place to find deals. I can't even begin to imagine doing otherwise.
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Post by Dramatwist on Jul 18, 2018 22:23:14 GMT -5
We are pretty green in our family. We have never bought a new car or home. We use a refillable Keurig cup, refillable water bottles and we reuse all boxes and bags, recycle everything we can and buy used clothing as often as new. Yard sales and pawn shops are my favorite place to find deals. I can't even begin to imagine doing otherwise. ...same here. Don...
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Post by trailboss on Jul 18, 2018 22:39:33 GMT -5
I carry a lot of water in refillable containers with me each day.
I deliver to a local municipality and regularly see the 10 wheeler stakebed truck pulling in loaded to the gills with bottled water and Gatorade for the city workers. But the taxpayer pays for it, so it is all good!
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 19, 2018 3:39:13 GMT -5
Nice thread trailboss. A bit of the 'old days' mentality wouldn't hurt the planet at all.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 3:56:02 GMT -5
Big corporations still dumping waste into our oceans must stop immediately. Corporations should receive stiff penalties by not abiding by the law. I’m tired with the trickle down theory, blaming this serious issue on others!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 5:40:19 GMT -5
Nice thread and good comments. I do the same things others have mentioned. It all matters. I went to wet shaving specifically because of these reasons. One can only imagine the size of the pile of disposable razors which go in the dump every day across the country. The same applies with bottled water. That's some expensive H2O as well. I keep a Brita pitcher in the refrigerator and use refillable backpacking bottles on the go.
One time I had a work meeting with a representative from McDonald's. Remember those little styrofoam sandwich containers? They were 96% recyclable material; however, public pressure was so intense to get rid of them that McDonald's was forced to go back to the paper sandwich wrappers which are basically garbage. Go figure?
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Post by pappyjoe on Jul 19, 2018 7:58:20 GMT -5
I don't use disposable razors.
A couple of you said you don't buy new cars. So you just buy old used cars? You do realize that every year the technology changes and each new model vehicle is more fuel efficient and produces less pollution? Also, the older a vehicle gets, the more prone it is to fluid leaks which get on the ground and washed into the groundwater.
Not sure what you mean when you say you've never bought a new home. Do you mean you just buy a home that was built a long time ago that someone else has lived in? I would say that new homes are like new vehicles in that modern technology should make them more efficient to run - better insulated to keep heating and cooling costs down for example.
I will admit that sometimes I miss the big old ceiling fans old houses in my part of the south used to have so we could just turn it own and open the windows an have a breeze. On the other hand, I don't like the hot days as much as I used to.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jul 19, 2018 8:31:59 GMT -5
On the farm I have a burn barrel, I bring cans to The Arc, I have large frontage on farm road, on my Zero Turn I have an old man pick up stick, it's disgusting how much trash I have to pick up before I cut, don't get me started on cars and trucks not moveing overbecause they are on the phone when I'm cutting the ditch, but that's another story. We have trash pickup in our rural area, I remember going bottle hunting as a kid, money for them. Modern cars are less polluting, but then they are finding out the numbers were fudged on some makes big time. I had my 100 yr old house foamed Attic and underneath floor. Does foam contribute to destroying the Atmosphere, I don't know, but I use so little electricity for a hundred year old house that my Utility Company came and surveyed the house, I believe they thought I was stealing electricity. I oversee my Farmer, make sure his hands don't throw trash, change oil in the fields. That's all I can do.
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 19, 2018 8:44:34 GMT -5
I carry a lot of water in refillable containers with me each day. I deliver to a local municipality and regularly see the 10 wheeler stakebed truck pulling in loaded to the gills with bottled water and Gatorade for the city workers. But the taxpayer pays for it, so it is all good! What's wrong with those huge Igloo coolers that everyone used to use? Going back to those would eliminate a ton of waste.
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Post by Matthew on Jul 19, 2018 9:01:12 GMT -5
My 1995 Geo Metro gets 40 MPG and I'm still trying to find a mud puddle to slow her down. I can get three to five years out of a good pair of work boots,and that includes skipping a chainsaw off the toe once in awhile.Every time I see a new house cutting another acre and a half out of the wildlifes territory I cringe,espeacilly when I see hundred year old houses being torn down for a new store or parking lot.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 19, 2018 11:18:47 GMT -5
"long as we use a healthy dose of common sense." That is what is lacking in most folks these days.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:48:24 GMT -5
My 1995 Geo Metro gets 40 MPG and I'm still trying to find a mud puddle to slow her down. I have a 2006 Prius which runs like a champ. I bought it new. The only bad thing about it was a lot of independent mechanics at the time didn't possess the diagnostic equipment to service the hybrids. I did basic service in the driveway and as much as possible with U-Tube videos but a good man knows his limitations. A decent portion of the jack I saved at the pump with 42+ MPG average ended up in the dealership maintenance kitty. Every time I've had to take the Prius into the dealership I knew it was normally going cost $1,500 + to get it back. It gives new meaning to the term "green car." Things are better now. The bugs have been worked out, mechanics have gotten with the program on hybrids and Toyota is one of the largest employers in Kentucky. I'll do it again if I outlive this Prius.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 13:52:01 GMT -5
I don't use disposable razors. A couple of you said you don't buy new cars. So you just buy old used cars? You do realize that every year the technology changes and each new model vehicle is more fuel efficient and produces less pollution? Also, the older a vehicle gets, the more prone it is to fluid leaks which get on the ground and washed into the groundwater. Not sure what you mean when you say you've never bought a new home. Do you mean you just buy a home that was built a long time ago that someone else has lived in? I would say that new homes are like new vehicles in that modern technology should make them more efficient to run - better insulated to keep heating and cooling costs down for example. I will admit that sometimes I miss the big old ceiling fans old houses in my part of the south used to have so we could just turn it own and open the windows an have a breeze. On the other hand, I don't like the hot days as much as I used to. +1.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:05:19 GMT -5
My 1995 Geo Metro gets 40 MPG and I'm still trying to find a mud puddle to slow her down. I have a 2006 Prius which runs like a champ. I bought it new. The only bad thing about it was a lot of independent mechanics at the time didn't possess the diagnostic equipment to service the hybrids. I did basic service in the driveway and as much as possible with U-Tube videos but a good man knows his limitations. A decent portion of the jack I saved at the pump with 42+ MPG average ended up in the dealership maintenance kitty. Every time I've had to take the Prius into the dealership I knew it was normally going cost $1,500 + to get it back. It gives new meaning to the term "green car." Things are better now. The bugs have been worked out, mechanics have gotten with the program on hybrids and Toyota is one of the largest employers in Kentucky. I'll do it again if I outlive this Prius. We have the same car, same year. Bought it used on craigslist with 96k miles and have almost doubled it in 4 years. It is a great car.... except that the hybrid battery died about a year after we bought it. Bad luck, and very expensive to replace. But otherwise it's been the best car I've ever owned. We just put new Continental ControlContact Tour AS tires on it and mileage jumped from around 47 to 52-54.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 19, 2018 14:19:27 GMT -5
I carry a lot of water in refillable containers with me each day. I deliver to a local municipality and regularly see the 10 wheeler stakebed truck pulling in loaded to the gills with bottled water and Gatorade for the city workers. But the taxpayer pays for it, so it is all good! What's wrong with those huge Igloo coolers that everyone used to use? Going back to those would eliminate a ton of waste. Doesn’t make sense to me either. I also deliver to SRP which is our electrical utility, they have their own ice machines and filtered water for the Igloo containers. Just the other day, we bought a twin pack of toilet brushes housed in a huge preformed plastic case. It seems like such a waste... I understand packaging to deter shoplifters, but toilet brushes?
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 19, 2018 14:26:30 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:33:15 GMT -5
I have a 2006 Prius which runs like a champ. I bought it new. The only bad thing about it was a lot of independent mechanics at the time didn't possess the diagnostic equipment to service the hybrids. I did basic service in the driveway and as much as possible with U-Tube videos but a good man knows his limitations. A decent portion of the jack I saved at the pump with 42+ MPG average ended up in the dealership maintenance kitty. Every time I've had to take the Prius into the dealership I knew it was normally going cost $1,500 + to get it back. It gives new meaning to the term "green car." Things are better now. The bugs have been worked out, mechanics have gotten with the program on hybrids and Toyota is one of the largest employers in Kentucky. I'll do it again if I outlive this Prius. We have the same car, same year. Bought it used on craigslist with 96k miles and have almost doubled it in 4 years. It is a great car.... except that the hybrid battery died about a year after we bought it. Bad luck, and very expensive to replace. But otherwise it's been the best car I've ever owned. We just put new Continental ControlContact Tour AS tires on it and mileage jumped from around 47 to 52-54. I've never gotten over 50 MPG with mine without using 93 octane. My mileage also tanks over 75 mph on the Interstate. I replaced the 12v battery behind the wheel well on the passenger side myself. The battery lays on its side which is a design flaw IMHO. Not to be confused, I've seen the lithium battery replacements for $800. It's a single harness installation which I'm pretty sure I can handle myself. I know dealerships want at least three times that amount. Cloudy front headlamp assemblies were also a bear but I replaced those myself. The problem is the halogen bulb burns them from the inside so those little cloudy lense kits aren't worth a bent nickel. You have to take the entire front off and get a bag of plastic rivets to complete the job. Pain in the butt but I probably cheated the dealership out of a nice chunk of change fixing that one myself. Great car overall. Mine only has 120,000 miles, blue books at approximately $4,250 so there's no reason to get rid of it now and it may well outlive me.
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Post by Matthew on Jul 19, 2018 14:50:19 GMT -5
Leaving economics out of it,it took me a year to pay off a $1200 dollar car. But my little Geo is a over sized lawn mower. It has a carburator.I does have sensors,but they are for the idiot lights only.They don't control the car.I can work on any part of it in the drive way.To include changing and balancing the tires.I have a friend that uses old oil to heat his workshop,so none of my waste oil ends up in the yard.I live in the sticks, my compost is in truth a feeding station for wildlife.Old tires are put to use for erosion control or flower planters.I in no way consider myself a "green" person,just cheap.(and kind of stupid)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 14:58:55 GMT -5
Leaving economics out of it,it took me a year to pay off a $1200 dollar car. But my little Geo is a over sized lawn mower. It has a carburator.I does have sensors,but they are for the idiot lights only.They don't control the car.I can work on any part of it in the drive way.To include changing and balancing the tires.I have a friend that uses old oil to heat his workshop,so none of my waste oil ends up in the yard.I live in the sticks, my compost is in truth a feeding station for wildlife.Old tires are put to use for erosion control or flower planters.I in no way consider myself a "green" person,just cheap.(and kind of stupid) Green doesn't mean expensive. Going back to Charlie's original post, I think that was one of the points being made by the author he quoted.
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Post by Matthew on Jul 19, 2018 16:10:30 GMT -5
Folks,I feel I owe you all an apology. Where the statements I made were honest, the attitude behind them was at best selfish, and at worst childish.I will gladly acknowledge that advances in technology and productions have made many products cleaner and some more durable. I am a believer in the old school that I can walk anywhere with in five miles.Unfortunately I have on many occasion found my path a bit longer than when I started.Cheers Mates,hold your pipes high and your shot glasses higher !
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Post by cgvt on Jul 19, 2018 22:32:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the laugh, Matthew.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jul 20, 2018 19:56:35 GMT -5
Money was tight, We all grey gardens, Paired up with the neighbors to buy beef, pork and the like. The truth of the matter is that we lived in simple times, hell I remember the guy stopping in front of the house and leaving dairy products. The reality of it is, is that we were forced into recycling via deposits on the bottles and the like. Not saying it didn't work I'm just saying it was a simpler time
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