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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 29, 2018 18:26:25 GMT -5
The problem with the confusion is that some of us are addicted to our pipe and cigarette tobaccos, especially those of us craving stronger blends, more often. However, while pipes and cigars can be and are a tremendous hobby for many people, cigarettes have almost always been a simple habit. Sure, there are some luxury cigarette brands. But when is the last time you remember meeting a cigarette connoisseur? I'm not sure I've ever even met one. I'm sure we've all met someone who "only smokes Dunhill cigarettes", or America Spirit, etc., because they're "quality" cigarettes (No offence to anyone here, but just my observation and opinion). The only thing I noticed in 22 years of cigarette smoking is some cigarettes were worse than others.
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Post by daveinlax on Jul 29, 2018 18:44:38 GMT -5
This thread is why I pay to $upport The CRA. We KISS!
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Jul 29, 2018 18:51:55 GMT -5
The problem with the confusion is that some of us are addicted to our pipe and cigarette tobaccos, especially those of us craving stronger blends, more often. However, while pipes and cigars can be and are a tremendous hobby for many people, cigarettes have almost always been a simple habit. Sure, there are some luxury cigarette brands. But when is the last time you remember meeting a cigarette connoisseur? I'm not sure I've ever even met one. I'm sure we've all met someone who "only smokes Dunhill cigarettes", or America Spirit, etc., because they're "quality" cigarettes (No offence to anyone here, but just my observation and opinion). The only thing I noticed in 22 years of cigarette smoking is some cigarettes were worse than others. Sure, some may prefer one blend over another. I knew one guy who told me he promised himself the day he started making $50,000 a year (a big deal at the time) he would start smoking Benson Hedges and put down the Marlboros for good. But I doubt there's anyone who takes the time and attention to the art of cigarette smoking that we take with pipes and cigars There may be a few, but only a few. "Did you see these great 1983 Barclays I have cellared here.. Top quality, very nutty, cool smoke, you can really taste the burleys and bright red virginias in these".
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Post by Cramptholomew on Jul 29, 2018 19:14:33 GMT -5
I'm sure we've all met someone who "only smokes Dunhill cigarettes", or America Spirit, etc., because they're "quality" cigarettes (No offence to anyone here, but just my observation and opinion). The only thing I noticed in 22 years of cigarette smoking is some cigarettes were worse than others. Sure, some may prefer one blend over another. I knew one guy who told me he promised himself the day he started making $50,000 a year (a big deal at the time) he would start smoking Benson Hedges and put down the Marlboros for good. But I doubt there's anyone who takes the time and attention to the art of cigarette smoking that we take with pipes and cigars There may be a few, but only a few. "Did you see these great 1983 Barclays I have cellared here.. Top quality, very nutty, cool smoke, you can really taste the burleys and bright red virginias in these". Fully agree.
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Post by Baboo on Jul 29, 2018 19:16:07 GMT -5
I really never thought of cellaring to stay ahead of the game, but here I am... way ahead with more than I'll ever smoke in two lifetimes. Now, with govts. nose so far up my arse for death, taxes, and tobacco, I'm going to keep building my hoard until the roof trusses burst... then sell at 10x or more $$$ to fund my retirement... oh yeah, right, I'm gonna declare the spoils to Uncle Sam - Not!
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 30, 2018 3:09:21 GMT -5
I agree with all of this, but also excuse my ignorance for a minute... Having worked in the pharmaceutical industry, I have had interaction with the fda. In my understanding, they are concerned for the public with respect to what the lay person consumes or applies to their skin and the harm it may or may not cause. They are protecting people who know no better, giving them confidence in the stuff they're consuming. So I can see why they'd be interested in eliquid. I, myself, would like to know that the manufacture of eliquid was above board and isn't going to screw me up over time. Same with tobacco. I'd like to be assured that the dunhill tobacco I put in my pipe hasn't been mixed with horse manure and also might screw me up over time. So I get their involvement, and I get why small companies are affected by this... My own personal beef is with the medical and pharmaceutical industry and their blanket demonising of all tobacco based on the negative effects of cigarette smoking. My insurance lumps it all together, so I could smoke 3 packs a day or 1 pipe a year and be in the same category... That's messed up. How on earth is that fair? But the world has been brainwashed that smoke or tobacco products in all forms are equally as bad. That annoys me no end. Nothing ignorant there, my friend. You have more experience of the FDA than I do. I'm not in the total anti-FDA camp, and think it's important to regulate food and drugs for the reasons you mentioned. But they have a history not only of overreach (as with premium tobacco) but also incompetence and putting corporations over people. Hence, white bread is allowed to have a certain amount of plaster, peanut butter can have a certain amount of insect matter, frozen vegetables can be partially rotten etc. Not to mention all approving drugs that cause suicidal ideation when you try to come off them, weight-loss drugs that cause anal leakage (sorry!), partially hydrogenated fat, and all kinds of other crap. Rather than truly having public welfare at heart, somebody somewhere is making money off these terrible decisions. When you put it like that I see your point.
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Post by crapgame on Aug 8, 2018 9:22:42 GMT -5
Buy whole leaf.. make your own blends.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 3:09:38 GMT -5
The FDA's intrusion is just another step in the nanny culture we find ourselves growing into. Though tobacco use has been problematic for sometime ,the history, handling and marketing of the product by cigarette's "big tobacco", the physical harm tobacco use can cause,the dwindling support for anything tobacco related,save the children campaigns, health insurance concerns etc.(I am not applying equal weight to the above) simply make tobacco an easier target. For instance,can you imagine if they went after the alcohol market in the same way? One can clearly illustrate the potential harm of alcohol from teenage drinking, drunk driver accidents, physical addiction etc. However, there are many more folks (including myself) who enjoy spirits that would cry out vehemently making similar actions very difficult to implement (What if the craft beer market where subject to the same restraints?). A number of pipe smokers understand that our best shot is an allegiance with cigar manufacturers, distributors, retailers etc. for one basic reasons,that is cigar smokers have more influence than pipe smokers; larger population, greater exposure, enjoyed by the elite/powerful,money etc. No doubt our plight is more perilous.
These things have been touched on many many times before in forums,brick and mortars, backyards etc. . Frankly I look at these conversations as therapy. It is my hope that they will also encourage each of us to do our part against this tide. Apathy is easy, where a good fight along the way might lead to better things (If not for pipe tobacco then maybe for the next battle).Simply building and sitting complacently on our cellars is missing the point of the bigger picture. If one will not stand up at what point will one? The skillet is warming up folks.
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Post by qmechanics on Aug 9, 2018 3:21:17 GMT -5
Hi One point of clarification I would like to make. I can see that a number of people who have posted on this and similar threads are investing time, whether it be supporting groups fighting the legislation, writing Congress etc. My post is meant to be read as one part therapy and second part encouragement.
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