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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2018 1:21:58 GMT -5
Last year my son had to leave Santa Rosa because of the fires with his newborn daughter, he relocated to Arizona, deciding not to go back. My niece lives in Hemet but works in Idyllwild, the business narrowly escaped devastation, a dirtbag dropping flares in the forest started 5 of them fires. My brother lives rurally 7 miles south of Redding, fortunate for him the fire is on the north side. He said that the amount of ash falling is about like he experienced when living north of Mount St. Helens. His son does live on the north side and his wife had just left the hospital ( heart valve replacement) when the fire broke out so her and the kids are staying at my brothers house. Matt, the son was a former wildlands firefighter staying at the house since evacuation for now is not mandatory. I have been watching Facebook videos throughout the day, and the footage is pretty scary, much worse than the network videos which are still pretty alarming. abc7news.com/carr-fire-near-redding-grows-to-over-80000-acres/3838881/www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jul/28/california-wildfires-nine-people-missing-and-two-firefighters-killed-redding |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 2:06:08 GMT -5
I saw a map of the western US on the news this morning and couldn't believe the number of wildfires going in almost every state. Prayers for your family and other effected Americans.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 29, 2018 2:12:01 GMT -5
That's scary stuff. It must be awful to watch this happen when loved ones are close to the event. Thoughts and prayers are with the family, trailboss. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 6:41:03 GMT -5
Charlie, I will light a candle this morning during my Prayers and keep your family in my thoughts and Prayers as well for all the people effected by more wild fires in California 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 8:21:40 GMT -5
Heard this morning the temperature is expected to be 109F at ground zero of the worst ones. Fires are reported by the fighters to be extremely aggressive, more so than in the past; unfortunately, it appears to be the new normal. While some are created by natural forces, my understanding is the vast majority are caused by irresponsible people.
Too bad. Hope your family makes it through in good order.
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jul 29, 2018 8:29:40 GMT -5
 Feel for you, your family and everyone going thru that, somebody should of popped that guy when they drug him out of his car.
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jul 29, 2018 8:31:07 GMT -5
Bummer! I Hope that they have it controlled by Aug 14 or I'll be in the big middle of it.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2018 9:16:55 GMT -5
Thanks for the well wishes guys, I am sure my family will all be ok, it just seems weird that it has struck so close to family for a few years now. The Carr fire in Redding was started by an automobile malfunction, other than the arsonist in SoCal, not sure what caused so many of the others.
I t was heartbreaking to hear the story of the grandmother with two great grandkids dying in the fire. They lived in the country and saw the fire off a ways, so gramps took the only car into town for supplies. A family member called him and told him that the fire was nearing the home, but it was too late.
When he left the house no evacuation orders were in effect, but the fire moved so quick.... them firestorms are pretty amazing in how fast they build, even spinning off the fire-nado’s.
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 29, 2018 9:53:24 GMT -5
Prayers for your family and all in the "line of fire".
Arsonist should be removed from the face of the earth...people and animals are the ones suffering. I helped put out wildfires while I was in college...scary and heart rending seeing the panicked wildlife running...painful to watch and had to stop...crying too much for those poor animals.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2018 10:50:54 GMT -5
Prayers for your family and all in the "line of fire". Arsonist should be removed from the face of the earth...people and animals are the ones suffering. I helped put out wildfires while I was in college...scary and heart rending seeing the panicked wildlife running...painful to watch and had to stop...crying too much for those poor animals. In Arizona if a citizen catches a person in the act of arson, that citizen is justified in shooting them and putting their lights out...key phrase “In the act of”. A friend of mine was a consultant to the California Dept of Forestry, he said that hearing rabbits and deer screaming as the run from fires with their fur on fire is a pretty horrible experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 10:58:40 GMT -5
Prayers for your family and all in the "line of fire". Arsonist should be removed from the face of the earth...people and animals are the ones suffering. I helped put out wildfires while I was in college...scary and heart rending seeing the panicked wildlife running...painful to watch and had to stop...crying too much for those poor animals. In Arizona if a citizen catches a person in the act of arson, that citizen is justified in shooting them and putting their lights out...key phrase “In the act of”. That’s as bad as the “ stand your ground law “! Guess in Arizona you can spot a person that you’ve had issues with in the past in a wooded area and shoot’em...when the Sheriffs Dept. shows up you can say....” I saw this person lighting a match to start a fire “, and get away with murder. Another law that needs to be rewritten! |
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Post by oldcajun123 on Jul 29, 2018 10:59:04 GMT -5
I remember as a teenager rescuing people in our Shrimp boat off of roof tops, I had the lazy line hook beating the snakes off while they jumped on our boat. Sheriff killed a man cutting off a woman's fingers to steal her rings. about 3 weeks later we went back and recovered the bodies, laid them in the ice house. Very early in my life I saw horrors a kid seldom sees, made me hard, thought I'd seen it all until I went to S Asia. Man is a horrible SOB.
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Post by Legend Lover on Jul 29, 2018 11:04:50 GMT -5
I've no words to respond to stuff like that...
Respect!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 11:12:54 GMT -5
Prayers for your family and all in the "line of fire". Arsonist should be removed from the face of the earth...people and animals are the ones suffering. I helped put out wildfires while I was in college...scary and heart rending seeing the panicked wildlife running...painful to watch and had to stop...crying too much for those poor animals. While arsonists have been proven to cause some fires, they're relatively isolated instances. The primary causes range from cigarette butts to campfires and beyond. The reduction of old growth forests which survived and benefited from naturally caused fires for centuries, increasing human activities and current weather patterns have significantly increased the detrimental effects of these fires regardless of cause. That's simply stating the obvious. I won't go any further in this forum except to state the issue is multi-faceted and represents a significant threat to life, property and affected eco-systems. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Jul 29, 2018 11:55:02 GMT -5
Old Cajun said: "Man is a horrible SOB"
Sad but true. Reading the many books of the Bible and stories of the "ancients"...we haven't progressed all that far.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2018 17:11:29 GMT -5
In Arizona if a citizen catches a person in the act of arson, that citizen is justified in shooting them and putting their lights out...key phrase “In the act of”. That’s as bad as the “ stand your ground law “! Guess in Arizona you can spot a person that you’ve had issues with in the past in a wooded area and shoot’em...when the Sheriffs Dept. shows up you can say....” I saw this person lighting a match to start a fire “, and get away with murder. Another law that needs to be rewritten!FW I really lacked in my description:
FWIW, I am for Arizona's stand your ground laws, before it was passed you had to prove that you had no way of getting away from an attacker...basically you had to grab the kids and hide in a closet and hope a bad guy wouldn't kill you while you beg for your life. The victim became the prosecuted...before stand your ground laws were passed, taking out the trash could easily result in a lifelong sentence for killing an intruder in your home. You cannot shoot people for verbal threats....the state bears the burden of proving beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant did not act with justification.. Which is the opposite of guilty before proven innocent which is how upside down the laws were before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:01:34 GMT -5
Charlie, with this I agree:
A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704,
Also how the State of Arizona wrote their version of the “ stand your ground law”!
The line of work I retired from I carried 24/7, grew up in NY where it took over 50 years to change laws giving a home owner the right to defend him/herself if their life is being threatened. Back in the 70’s if you were in your home and someone was breaking and entering, you had to make damn sure that person/persons were inside your home before using deadly force! The law now in NY is very similar to where I’m living here in NC.....if someone is forcing their way into your home and you feel the life of a loved one or your own life is being threatened, in imminent danger, you have the legal right to use deadly force before any such person/persons enter your home! That’s the way the law should be written in every State. NOT if one see’s a person in a hooded jacket and believes he’s carrying a weapon and “ might “ use it in a deadly manor. I hope you see my point as well....” one better make sure his life or a person nearby is in “ harms “ way and deadly force is the only means of personal protection “!
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Jul 29, 2018 19:10:24 GMT -5
Charlie, with this I agree: A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, Also how the State of Arizona wrote their version of the “ stand your ground law”! The line of work I retired from I carried 24/7, grew up in NY where it took over 50 years to change laws giving a home owner the right to defend him/herself if their life is being threatened. Back in the 70’s if you were in your home and someone was breaking and entering, you had to make damn sure that person/persons were inside your home before using deadly force! The law now in NY is very similar to where I’m living here in NC..... if someone is forcing their way into your home and you feel the life of a loved one or your own life is being threatened, in imminent danger, you have the legal right to use deadly force before any such person/persons enter your home! That’s the way the law should be written in every State. NOT if one see’s a person in a hooded jacket and believes he’s carrying a weapon and “ might “ use it in a deadly manor. I hope you see my point as well....” one better make sure his life or a person nearby is in “ harms “ way and deadly force is the only means of personal protection “! What is said person is seeking sanctuary from a threat himself. If the person entering your home was in a panic or fear it would be very difficult to tell the difference between fear and danger. JM2C. |
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Post by trailboss on Jul 29, 2018 19:13:22 GMT -5
In that case, I would hope they would knock on the door...kick in my door and it is going to be a very, very bad day for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:19:50 GMT -5
Charlie, with this I agree: A. A person is justified in threatening or using both physical force and deadly physical force against another if and to the extent the person reasonably believes that physical force or deadly physical force is immediately necessary to prevent the other's commission of arson of an occupied structure under section 13-1704, Also how the State of Arizona wrote their version of the “ stand your ground law”! The line of work I retired from I carried 24/7, grew up in NY where it took over 50 years to change laws giving a home owner the right to defend him/herself if their life is being threatened. Back in the 70’s if you were in your home and someone was breaking and entering, you had to make damn sure that person/persons were inside your home before using deadly force! The law now in NY is very similar to where I’m living here in NC..... if someone is forcing their way into your home and you feel the life of a loved one or your own life is being threatened, in imminent danger, you have the legal right to use deadly force before any such person/persons enter your home! That’s the way the law should be written in every State. NOT if one see’s a person in a hooded jacket and believes he’s carrying a weapon and “ might “ use it in a deadly manor. I hope you see my point as well....” one better make sure his life or a person nearby is in “ harms “ way and deadly force is the only means of personal protection “! What is said person is seeking sanctuary from a threat himself. If the person entering your home was in a panic or fear it would be very difficult to tell the difference between fear and danger. JM2C. What your describing is an entirely different scenario. If there is someone beating down your front door with a baseball bat yelling...” I’m going to kill you “! Or someone is sticking a long knife threw your front door or screen window....they are NOT entering your home for sanctuary!!! If a person is knocking on your door and asking for help, today your opening the door at your own risk! I’d open the door myself with a 1911 ready if needed in my right hand, I use proper discretion and judgment at all times!!! |
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Post by Darin on Jul 29, 2018 19:22:50 GMT -5
In that case, I would hope they would knock on the door...kick in my door and it is going to be a very, very bad day for you. After the dogs are done with you, I'll introduce "Betty".  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2018 19:23:11 GMT -5
WOW....we got from serious wildfires in California to properly defending yourself legally with a pistol.
NOW BACK TO THE OP’s original post👍👍
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Post by Darin on Jul 29, 2018 19:33:42 GMT -5
A pretty circuitous group, for sure!  |
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Post by roadsdiverged on Jul 29, 2018 20:43:30 GMT -5
My sister is near Reno, a few weeks ago they had a storm roll through and lightning strikes sparked 3 fires. Some of her friends eventually had to evacuate. I havent heard anymore about it since then, but I have talked to her so I know shes well.
About 50 acres of planted pines caught on fire by the house a few years back, that was scary! Burned most of it up, but thank God for a lot of fire breaks previously cut through it. Down here they do seasonal controlled burns, seems to help, but not guaranteed, ask Florida. A month ago a controlled burn took a turn for the worst and completely burned up everything in its path. A lot of people lost everything they had. I could only imagine what it would be like out west.
Prayers to everyone over that way dealing with it.
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Post by trailboss on Jul 30, 2018 0:19:29 GMT -5
California has wild oats (really dried out tallgrass) growing everywhere there isn't a tree it seems, so other than a river or road, there isn't much of a firebreak....that creates quite a problem.
I have a buddy that has a home in a pretty remote location in Northern California, and he has done a really good job of making his home a defensible zone by cutting a lot of fuel back. He has a generator with plenty of fuel to run the wells and pumps to operate the water cannons he has covering a good amount of the zone around the house..never has had to activate it and leave the property yet.
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Feel for you, your family and everyone going thru that, somebody should of popped that guy when they drug him out of his car. 
