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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 4, 2018 7:38:33 GMT -5
Hi Pipers,
I am just not satisfied with the current nightcap blends. Although I imagine that some good ones may come out soon, especially given that two major tobacco companies tried to buy the tobacco portion of the Dunhill BAT range.
I would like to blend my own "match", or a blend in the same spirit, at least.
What percentage do you believe Nightcap employs in:
Virginia (also what kind of Virginias)
Turkish Leaf (are there different blending Turkish leaves available? Which would you recommend?)
Cyprian Latakia (are there different blending Latakias available? Which would you recommend?)
Perique (are there different blending Periques available? Which would you recommend?)
Something else? Am I missing something here?
I'd like to be able to buy all of these tobaccos that are sold for consumers to blend their own. This is going to be a VERY small batch to start with so no pro bulk rates, I don't want casks of anything at my door just of yet!
Thanks.
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Post by beardedmi on Aug 4, 2018 10:56:39 GMT -5
Peter stokkebye has some blending tobaccos available as does daughters and ryan. I know d and r has 4 or 5 different types of perique and they each carry a different flavor profile. The blending tobaccos are available at most of the online retailers in their bulk section and 2 oz is thebtypical minimum. I dont blend yet, but have noted the different types available.
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Post by slowroll on Aug 4, 2018 11:26:37 GMT -5
I suspect that you might have better success starting with something like P&C match Nightcap and adding trial amounts of various blending tobacs to it rather than trying to start from scratch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 12:14:40 GMT -5
Your best bet is too also send JimInks a PM and ask his opinion as well 👍
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 4, 2018 12:15:37 GMT -5
I suspect that you might have better success starting with something like P&C match Nightcap and adding trial amounts of various blending tobacs to it rather than trying to start from scratch. I have some of that, too much of it, actually. And I hate it! I'm not sure why anyone really likes the stuff - if anyone wants it, let me know, I'll send it to you. This is hilands but I am sure its the same stuff. I dont know maybe Im too harsh with it, but I dont think theres anything I could possibly do to the stuff to correct the issues it has! Anyway, I know that if I mix a hefty dose of latakia and red virginias together and add some perique, I'll at least have a quality tobacco, if I use good, quality C&D and Mac Baren stuff. The turkish could be slowly added to that and maybe some lightly cased tobaccos I'll mix and match. Whatever I make, it'll be a smoke-able English blend, at least. |
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Post by slowroll on Aug 4, 2018 13:06:52 GMT -5
Your above approach could work. But, one of the biggest problems is finding the base Virginia. There are so many variants of Va, many of which are not sold as blending ingredients, that the ideal may be hard to find. I suspect that you may have to use the higher grade straight Virginia blends offered by the majors as a base rather than their blending tobacs. Might try some dark fired Kentucky in the blend as well.
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Post by danno44 on Aug 4, 2018 13:51:18 GMT -5
Just curious, but why not just buy Nightcap in bulk? One supplier still has it. More you order cheaper per oz.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 14:39:18 GMT -5
Just curious, but why not just buy Nightcap in bulk? One supplier still has it. More you order cheaper per oz. The OP is not satisfied with the current Nightcap. As for me I can ONLY smoke the tin version, don’t care for the bulk at all. |
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Post by danno44 on Aug 4, 2018 14:43:13 GMT -5
Just curious, but why not just buy Nightcap in bulk? One supplier still has it. More you order cheaper per oz. The OP is not satisfied with the current Nightcap. As for me I can ONLY smoke the tin version, don’t care for the bulk at all. Ok, sorry I read it as the OP didn’t like the match blends currently available.  |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 4, 2018 16:52:26 GMT -5
The OP is not satisfied with the current Nightcap. As for me I can ONLY smoke the tin version, don’t care for the bulk at all. Ok, sorry I read it as the OP didn’t like the match blends currently available. Yes I don't like the matches currently available. The Dunhill tins are great, but the bulk is kind of funky for some reason. This just sounds like a fun project. That is my reason for doing this. |
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Post by scrooge on Aug 4, 2018 20:48:59 GMT -5
I agree with you unknownpipesmoker. Bulk Nightcap to me is not anything like tinned. It's not bad just different. I do know one thing though is jar your bulk an put atleast 2 years on it. It does get better but still not like tinned.
Good luck on your quest.
I used your avatar name, not sure if you want your real name used.
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Post by roadsdiverged on Aug 4, 2018 20:57:40 GMT -5
I'm on the wagon with bulk vs. Tinned Nightcap. Bulk isn't a bad smoke, but it's not tinned. IMO it shouldn't even have the same name. I havent tried the matches either and from the looks of it, there's no need to.
I'm going to keep this bookmarked.
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 4, 2018 22:57:13 GMT -5
I agree with you unknownpipesmoker. Bulk Nightcap to me is not anything like tinned. It's not bad just different. I do know one thing though is jar your bulk an put atleast 2 years on it. It does get better but still not like tinned. Good luck on your quest. I used your avatar name, not sure if you want your real name used. I appreciate that, I like to keep a slight degree of anonymity! From talking to a tobacconist I know and a guy who is a semi-serious hobbyist blender, I will need to let my own creation age for at least 6 months - year before I know if my blend is even anywhere CLOSE to being in the same vein as Dunhill. The tobaccos really need to rest in a jar and marry each other for awhile, to refine any bumps or edges, and perfect the aroma I am going for. It is pretty exciting to me, though, that for $12 I can create a very small batch of a relatively decent English blend, using tobaccos purchased from Gawith Hoggarth and Cornell & Diehl. Even if this comes out coming nowhere close to Nightcap, it'll be fun. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 2:50:05 GMT -5
I thought ^^^^^^^^^^ unknownpipesmoker was on your birth certificate 😂😂
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 5, 2018 3:01:22 GMT -5
Your best bet is too also send JimInks a PM and ask his opinion as well 👍 I just wonder what he would for a starter for inexperienced pipers? or even if her would have the time or even wanna mess with it? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 3:04:30 GMT -5
Your best bet is too also send JimInks a PM and ask his opinion as well 👍 I just wonder what he would for a starter for inexperienced pipers? or even if her would have the time or even wanna mess with it? Jim is always working on one of his own blends. |
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 5, 2018 3:14:30 GMT -5
I just wonder what he would for a starter for inexperienced pipers? or even if her would have the time or even wanna mess with it? Jim is always working on one of his own blends. I would find it interesting to see if he could create a blend that would appeal to most and keep it under $40.00 a pound? |
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Post by slowroll on Aug 5, 2018 7:18:00 GMT -5
I agree with you unknownpipesmoker. Bulk Nightcap to me is not anything like tinned. It's not bad just different. I do know one thing though is jar your bulk an put atleast 2 years on it. It does get better but still not like tinned. Good luck on your quest. I used your avatar name, not sure if you want your real name used. I appreciate that, I like to keep a slight degree of anonymity! From talking to a tobacconist I know and a guy who is a semi-serious hobbyist blender, I will need to let my own creation age for at least 6 months - year before I know if my blend is even anywhere CLOSE to being in the same vein as Dunhill. The tobaccos really need to rest in a jar and marry each other for awhile, to refine any bumps or edges, and perfect the aroma I am going for. It is pretty exciting to me, though, that for $12 I can create a very small batch of a relatively decent English blend, using tobaccos purchased from Gawith Hoggarth and Cornell & Diehl. Even if this comes out coming nowhere close to Nightcap, it'll be fun. Maybe 6 mos to achieve the max flavor meld, but you'll know if you're close in a week. Especially if you put it in a vacuum bag, evacuate and seal it. If it took 6 mos or a year per iteration, we'd never see new blends. |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 5, 2018 13:20:48 GMT -5
I appreciate that, I like to keep a slight degree of anonymity! From talking to a tobacconist I know and a guy who is a semi-serious hobbyist blender, I will need to let my own creation age for at least 6 months - year before I know if my blend is even anywhere CLOSE to being in the same vein as Dunhill. The tobaccos really need to rest in a jar and marry each other for awhile, to refine any bumps or edges, and perfect the aroma I am going for. It is pretty exciting to me, though, that for $12 I can create a very small batch of a relatively decent English blend, using tobaccos purchased from Gawith Hoggarth and Cornell & Diehl. Even if this comes out coming nowhere close to Nightcap, it'll be fun. Maybe 6 mos to achieve the max flavor meld, but you'll know if you're close in a week. Especially if you put it in a vacuum bag, evacuate and seal it. If it took 6 mos or a year per iteration, we'd never see new blends. I think they were getting at the dunhill tinned taste and aroma. Like bulk dunhill tastes nothing like tinned dunhill. Sure some bulks maybe weeks old but tinned tobacco is at least a few months old before we get it. |
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Post by slowroll on Aug 6, 2018 18:34:13 GMT -5
Well, my point was if the blenders waited 6 mos or more to evaluate a new blend, we'd never see any.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 19:39:00 GMT -5
Are Dunhill bulks the same from all vendors? Have not read it otherwise, but had the impression they were different.
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Post by monbla256 on Aug 6, 2018 21:59:51 GMT -5
Something that I think no one realizes that the vacuum tinning of the tobacco blend has an effect on it and the longer it sits on the manufacturer's shelf, then it's shipping time, then the time from the distributer to the retailers shelf to you have some effect as well. Time in the tin makes all the components sort of "marry" and produce the taste we associate with the blends. Blends that go from blending to bagging into 5# plastic bags then to the retailer who then bags up the amount you order and they ship it to you and the blend doesn't have the same time and processing factors as the tinned.  |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 6, 2018 22:10:46 GMT -5
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Post by Pistol Pete 1911 on Aug 7, 2018 7:17:01 GMT -5
Thanks, Ill be checking that out. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2018 1:20:20 GMT -5
Something that I think no one realizes that the vacuum tinning of the tobacco blend has an effect on it and the longer it sits on the manufacturer's shelf, then it's shipping time, then the time from the distributer to the retailers shelf to you have some effect as well. Time in the tin makes all the components sort of "marry" and produce the taste we associate with the blends. Blends that go from blending to bagging into 5# plastic bags then to the retailer who then bags up the amount you order and they ship it to you and the blend doesn't have the same time and processing factors as the tinned. Exactly! |
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Post by LSUTigersFan on Aug 23, 2018 20:23:11 GMT -5
Just curious, but why not just buy Nightcap in bulk? One supplier still has it. More you order cheaper per oz. The OP is not satisfied with the current Nightcap. As for me I can ONLY smoke the tin version, don’t care for the bulk at all. I am the same way. Why would that make a difference? I admit I don't have the wealth of knowledge as the crew here, but I noticed the same thing. Nightcap was one of the first tobaccos I tried. I enjoyed the tins so much, I bought in bulk. But, I noticed it wasn't...the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2018 21:19:48 GMT -5
The OP is not satisfied with the current Nightcap. As for me I can ONLY smoke the tin version, don’t care for the bulk at all. I am the same way. Why would that make a difference? I admit I don't have the wealth of knowledge as the crew here, but I noticed the same thing. Nightcap was one of the first tobaccos I tried. I enjoyed the tins so much, I bought in bulk. But, I noticed it wasn't...the same. In some cases the bulk version is not close to the quality tobacco’s used when making the tin version! I’ve heard by many blenders and pipe smokers that the tin and bulk are from the same batch. I have to totally disagree. My nose, eyes and microscope don’t lie. I compared Nightcap and Lane Medal of Valor tin and bulk....the aroma was not the same, looking with my eyes I was able to see the difference in the quality of the leaf. When on glass under my microscope showed me all I needed to know. There are a number of bulk blends I really enjoy, that are CLOSE to their tin version....not exact. I’ve yet to smoke a bulk blend by C&D that I have not enjoyed. I can’t make that statement when it comes to Dunhill or Lane blends, and a few others. I’m sure I’ll still hear that “ bulk and tinned tobacco’s are made from the exact batch “! However, you’ll never convince me for sure!!! |
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