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Post by PipeSteader on Aug 4, 2018 17:10:04 GMT -5
I know that there is a strict no politics in this forum. However, with the new "deeming" regulations coming into play soon from the FDA and with the lawsuits filed by tobacco advocacy groups. I was wondering if it's ok to post threads related to what's going on in the news and government regarding these regulations. Just wanted to get a thumbs up from the admins before I make posts.
I thought it prudent that the tobacco community should talk about these things.
Thanks, PipeSteader
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 17:19:38 GMT -5
I'm not a mod but I'm pretty sure it's okay as long as you don't make partisan statements. We all agree that the new regulations suck and that it's overreach of the FDA, and news about them is definitely relevant. But bringing political parties or ideologies into the discussion is unnecessary, unwanted, and against the rules.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 4, 2018 17:42:06 GMT -5
I would agree with @chico.
There have been other threads stated on this, and discussion has stayed on track.
Do a quick search and you'll find some interesting threads on the topic.
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PipeSteader
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Post by PipeSteader on Aug 4, 2018 17:53:46 GMT -5
I'm not a mod but I'm pretty sure it's okay as long as you don't make partisan statements. We all agree that the new regulations suck and that it's overreach of the FDA, and news about them is definitely relevant. But bringing political parties or ideologies into the discussion is unnecessary, unwanted, and against the rules. Completely agree. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 18:39:23 GMT -5
Now is the time to start stockpiling your favorite tobacco’s while they’re still available. I’ve made similar posts on other forums over 2 years ago about how the new FDA regulations will effect ALL pipe smokers. Time is running out fast, so invest now in purchasing pipes and tobacco’s or in a few months you will be paying as they say...” thru the nose “!
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Post by PipeSteader on Aug 4, 2018 19:45:26 GMT -5
Now is the time to start stockpiling your favorite tobacco’s while they’re still available. I’ve made similar posts on other forums over 2 years ago about how the new FDA regulations will effect ALL pipe smokers. Time is running out fast, so invest now in purchasing pipes and tobacco’s or in a few months you will be paying as they say...” thru the nose “! Yup! I have been buying atleast 8-10 tins every order and stock piling. With the rate I smoke a pipe I have enough right now to last me about a decade |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 4, 2018 20:28:56 GMT -5
Not only the deeming regs but the state sales tax issue will make many blends not worth the money.
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Post by papipeguy on Aug 4, 2018 20:38:44 GMT -5
I think discussion about the FDA's Deeming Rule is a legitimate topic. Just keep it apolitical and we're fine.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2018 20:44:15 GMT -5
Not only the deeming regs but the state sales tax issue will make many blends not worth the money. Walt, you hit the nail with your hammer dead center!! The taxes will be doubled.👌👍 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 16:41:14 GMT -5
In 1 to 2 years time, we will look back to the present and consider them the good old days.
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 5, 2018 17:06:19 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how these fda events might affect the UK tobacco sales?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 17:44:32 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how these fda events might affect the UK tobacco sales? Hopefully none. In Europe, even though you pay through the nose for tobac, you have a reasonable certainty, that it will be available tomorrow and the day after. Were paranoid here and a new prohibition seems a possibility. |
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Post by Darin on Aug 5, 2018 17:54:02 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how these fda events might affect the UK tobacco sales? Here's some interesting news from Dave of Mr.Snuff.com ... he and Roderick of Toque have joined forces and moved to The Isle of Man: |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 5, 2018 18:08:35 GMT -5
^^^^^^^^WOW^^^^^Now that is good news.^^^^^^^^^
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Post by zambini on Aug 5, 2018 18:39:25 GMT -5
Any thoughts on how these fda events might affect the UK tobacco sales? Here's some interesting news from Dave of Mr.Snuff.com ... he and Roderick of Toque have joined forces and moved to The Isle of Man: Keep in mind that a bonded warehouse means that he doesn't pay taxes on tobacco coming in but it must be paid wherever it arrives in the end. That means that UK shoppers will still pay VAT when it 'enters' the UK. If they ship out of the country you may get away with it. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 5, 2018 18:42:16 GMT -5
Still, I suppose there is some light at the end of the tunnel.
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Post by jeffd on Aug 5, 2018 19:44:33 GMT -5
I am of two minds, meaning I am ignorant enough not to be able to sort this out. Are we artificially raising the price and enabling shortages by all this stockpiling and cellaring and dare I say hording? I mean, what would the price of tobacco and availability of our favorites if we all just bought every month what we smoke every month. I mean, I cannot even get a taste of Penzance or Dorchester, and the law has not even changed. This happened. I remember. This is happening, www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/28/price-panic-triggers-run-on-toilet-paper-in-taiwanOn the other hand, the news is kind of scary. And having a deep cellar is a comfort, if not a solution, albeit temporary. And it seems the logic of the anti-tobacco forces, as technically flawed as it is, is, as I see it, morally flawed. When a group can get together and vote away my ability to have some benign fun at nobody's expense but my own, something is (and has been) dreadfully wrong. I am not arguing with anyone, I am not informed enough to hold up my end so don't start a fight with an unarmed man. I am just raising a question or two for discussion. |
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Post by Baboo on Aug 5, 2018 20:08:24 GMT -5
I am of two minds, meaning I am ignorant enough not to be able to sort this out. Are we artificially raising the price and enabling shortages by all this stockpiling and cellaring and dare I say hording? I mean, what would the price of tobacco and availability of our favorites if we all just bought every month what we smoke every month. I mean, I cannot even get a taste of Penzance or Dorchester, and the law has not even changed. This happened. I remember. This is happening, www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/28/price-panic-triggers-run-on-toilet-paper-in-taiwanOn the other hand, the news is kind of scary. And having a deep cellar is a comfort, if not a solution, albeit temporary. And it seems the logic of the anti-tobacco forces, as technically flawed as it is, is, as I see it, morally flawed. When a group can get together and vote away my ability to have some benign fun at nobody's expense but my own, something is (and has been) dreadfully wrong. I am not arguing with anyone, I am not informed enough to hold up my end so don't start a fight with an unarmed man. I am just raising a question or two for discussion. The FDA alarm has been sounded. A panic has stirred some, but not all, to hoard. Regardless, keeping a cool head and living within one's means is probably the best path to follow. Cellaring for the sake of aging tobaccos is almost always a good idea. Buy some extra to sell off later to hedge purchase costs a/k/a ROI, Return on Investment... nothing wrong with that. Honing one's search skills will net Penzance and Dorchester... not difficult. |
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Post by jeffd on Aug 5, 2018 20:12:30 GMT -5
I am thinking of opening a trap door in the bottom of my treasure chest, so I can unload it from the bottom.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 20:29:33 GMT -5
With the possibility of a no-deal Brexit looming, it's quite possible that the only tobacco available in the UK would be UK-made blends. Or that Euro blends would be taxed even higher.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2018 22:07:40 GMT -5
Are we artificially raising the price and enabling shortages by all this stockpiling and cellaring and dare I say hording? I don't believe that stockpiling/hoarding is raising prices, in fact, it may be keeping them lower. However, I do think that it's causing the shortages. |
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Post by zambini on Aug 5, 2018 22:34:35 GMT -5
With the possibility of a no-deal Brexit looming, it's quite possible that the only tobacco available in the UK would be UK-made blends. Or that Euro blends would be taxed even higher. If the UK left all EU standards behind, they COULD force the EU tobacco companies to pass the deeming process in the UK resulting in many deciding its not worth the hassle. Brexiters could even argue that it'd give UK tobacco companies a leg up giving them a virtual monopoly on the local market. That would mean that the limited production from Germain's, GH, and Gallagher's would be even further tied up in the UK causing a shortage everywhere else until they raised production! I'd question whether Germain's, for example, would be willing to significantly raise production at all given that they can never stay on the shelves in the US. |
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 6, 2018 2:07:10 GMT -5
Interesting. I always wondered if they would keep tobacco coming in from EU, because they're getting a tidy sum in taxes (from UK tobacco too) . And we've no choice but to pay them if we (in the UK) want to enjoy our hobby.
I may be wrong... I usually am.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 2:24:43 GMT -5
Are we artificially raising the price and enabling shortages by all this stockpiling and cellaring and dare I say hording? I don't believe that stockpiling/hoarding is raising prices, in fact, it may be keeping them lower. However, I do think that it's causing the shortages. Then somebody is stockpiling Stonehaven.....I mean I would only like a couple of ounces👍 If I ever get mu hands on a 8 .oz bag I’ll shaere👍👍👍 |
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