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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 14, 2018 16:30:16 GMT -5
So out of curiosity, if a pipe is classed as handmade, what exactly does that mean?
No machinery, no lathe? Purely carved by hand (and drilled, I suppose)?
Or does it mean the pipes isn't made on a production line?
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Post by Stanhill on Aug 14, 2018 16:53:49 GMT -5
The machinery is operated by someone whose last name is Hand..? (Sorry... I'll just go to bed now).
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 14, 2018 17:10:01 GMT -5
The machinery is operated by someone whose last name is Hand..? (Sorry... I'll just go to bed now).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2018 17:23:09 GMT -5
Most pipe makers use a lathe, but a lathe only gets you so far. A lot of hand cutting, carving and sanding. That’s why the billiard bowl is one of the most difficult shapes.....the bottom of the bowl is done by hand and needs to be precise.....completely symmetrical....extremely difficult to achieve, but a Master pipe maker takes the necessary time and measurements, there are many beauties I’ve seen👍👍👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 14, 2018 17:32:54 GMT -5
Cheers for that.
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Post by AJ on Aug 14, 2018 18:28:42 GMT -5
For me a handmade pipe means every stage of the pipe making involves the maker’s hand on the pipe doing the work on the pipe including the stem. Stummels made on a production line and hand finished don’t qualify.
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Post by arturo7 on Aug 14, 2018 19:17:29 GMT -5
I would assume non-handmade pipes are produced on a CNC machine that is set up for woodworking.
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Post by monbla256 on Aug 14, 2018 21:35:47 GMT -5
I would assume non-handmade pipes are produced on a CNC machine that is set up for woodworking. This is partialy correct. They use a pantograph type of machine to produce the stumels which are then passed to other workers using machines to finish shaping and produce the various finishes ie. sandblasted etc. Machine work of some kind is used by both methods but the production piupe are made in multiples of the same shape at the same tims. The "handmade pipes" are usually made one at a time from start to finish. Both systems can produce high quality pipes equal to each other contrary to what many think.  |
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Post by That Falls Guy on Aug 14, 2018 21:47:24 GMT -5
The machinery is operated by someone whose last name is Hand..? (Sorry... I'll just go to bed now).
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Post by Robert Perkins on Aug 15, 2018 17:39:26 GMT -5
My understanding is that pretty much anything goes, just so long as a " frazing machine" isn't involved. Here you can see a frazing machine in action at Dr. Grabow. It works very similar to a key cutting machine, if you've ever seen one of those in action. It uses a template and cuts a chunk of briar into a nearly perfect duplicate of the template. And somewhere on Youtube, there's an old black-and-white video of a frazing machine at some pipe factory that would cut, like, eight pipes at a time. But for the life of me, I can't seem to find that particular video right now.  |
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Post by PhantomWolf on Aug 15, 2018 17:46:05 GMT -5
The machinery is operated by someone whose last name is Hand..? (Sorry... I'll just go to bed now).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 19:00:37 GMT -5
Briar, few if any. Meer would be my best guess if you really want to cut to the chase.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 20:27:53 GMT -5
So then from what is stated above, if I take an MM Legend Rob Roy and break it down into its individual parts. Then drill out the bottom of the bowl and insert a hardwood plug. Then replace the shank with a shorter one of a different wood. Then wool a finish. This would be a hand mad pipe or not?
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Post by Dramatwist on Aug 15, 2018 21:00:33 GMT -5
...my understanding of the process is that there is not "automated" CNC work. The only machine used is a lathe and a tool in the hand of the maker...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:05:29 GMT -5
So then from what is stated above, if I take an MM Legend Rob Roy and break it down into its individual parts. Then drill out the bottom of the bowl and insert a hardwood plug. Then replace the shank with a shorter one of a different wood. Then wool a finish. This would be a hand mad pipe or not? I would consider that a hand done repair and replacement restoration. Wouldn’t you agree? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:10:22 GMT -5
...my understanding of the process is that there is not "automated" CNC work. The only machine used is a lathe and a tool in the hand of the maker... Agree!!! If a CNC machine is used to make an exact copy using a computer program to make a pipe that’s a production line pipe, even if hand sanded & finished. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:10:52 GMT -5
So then from what is stated above, if I take an MM Legend Rob Roy and break it down into its individual parts. Then drill out the bottom of the bowl and insert a hardwood plug. Then replace the shank with a shorter one of a different wood. Then wool a finish. This would be a hand mad pipe or not? I would consider that a hand done repair and replacement restoration. Wouldn’t you agree? Since I like nosewarmers, on occasion I modify new pipes. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:16:59 GMT -5
I would consider that a hand done repair and replacement restoration. Wouldn’t you agree? Since I like nosewarmers, on occasion I modify new pipes. Yup, I do the same. I’ve posted this Reverse Calabash Cob pipe I made with a Country Gentleman bowl and an old legend bowl....took a lot of work...I achieved this all by hand. But the two bowls were originally made by machine. Would you consider this pipe hand made by me? I would consider it a pipe I made customized.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:24:15 GMT -5
Since I like nosewarmers, on occasion I modify new pipes. Yup, I do the same. I’ve posted this Reverse Calabash Cob pipe I made with a Country Gentleman bowl and an old legend bowl....took a lot of work...I achieved this all by hand. But the two bowls were originally made by machine. Would you consider this pipe hand made by me? I would consider it a pipe I made customized. Hand made modification. Because of the time and skill needed. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 21:25:34 GMT -5
I’ll buy ^^^^^^ that...thanks👍
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Post by Legend Lover on Aug 16, 2018 2:38:41 GMT -5
I seem to be a bit more the wiser. Thank you, my friends.
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Post by johnlawitzke on Aug 19, 2018 21:09:47 GMT -5
...my understanding of the process is that there is not "automated" CNC work. The only machine used is a lathe and a tool in the hand of the maker... Agree!!! If a CNC machine is used to make an exact copy using a computer program to make a pipe that’s a production line pipe, even if hand sanded & finished. Computer control? Heh heh heh. Most pipe frazing machines are 50 plus years old. There's a metal master form that gets copied from. I think the Dr Grabow factory video posted above shows it. If you ever want to see a frazing machine in person, go on a tour of the basement of Paul's Pipe Shop some time. |
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Post by cgvt on Aug 19, 2018 22:19:39 GMT -5
I seem to be a bit more the wiser. Thank you, my friends. I'm not wiser, just older |
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Post by monbla256 on Aug 20, 2018 16:19:04 GMT -5
The machinery is operated by someone whose last name is Hand..? (Sorry... I'll just go to bed now).
First name could be Hand too! Bingo ! You win ! His name is Mr. Hand Some !  |
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Post by unknownpipesmoker on Aug 20, 2018 17:11:43 GMT -5
Most pipe makers use a lathe, but a lathe only gets you so far. A lot of hand cutting, carving and sanding. That’s why the billiard bowl is one of the most difficult shapes.....the bottom of the bowl is done by hand and needs to be precise.....completely symmetrical....extremely difficult to achieve, but a Master pipe maker takes the necessary time and measurements, there are many beauties I’ve seen👍👍👍 You just gave me a whole new appreciation for my favourite pipe shape. |
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Post by pepesdad1 on Aug 20, 2018 17:23:30 GMT -5
I, and several other members have hand made pipes that were made from start to finish, by hand. The bowls were pre-drilled in some cases...other times not. But the maker used rasps and files and sandpaper to accomplish some beautiful work. While his stem to shank finish was not always perfect...he put a lot of heart into his work. I have 16 of his works and they all smoke wonderfully. Are they as good as a Comoy or GBD...no, but only because the curing and wood used was far better (in curing and age) than the ones made today.
His pipes, Briar Spirit pipes were hand made...for real, no shortcuts.
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