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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2018 21:48:33 GMT -5
I don't know the backstory to this, but their website blurb seems to suggest that they have the recipes and that these "Heritage" blends are more than just "matches". Or not? I wager they'll be better than Orlik's versions, anyway. Not only do McConnell blends include the sublime Original Oriental and some other well-regarded blends (including Scottish Cake and Flake), they are made by K&K who makes Rattray's. So the loss of "Dunhill" may be a blessing in disguise if the blends are going to made by a superior company and simply renamed.... Unless that's not what's actually happening....  kohlhase-kopp.com/ceemes/zigarren/robert-mcconnell/heritage/black-flake-1369.html?markenansicht=1Google translate: The Robert McConnell brand was founded in London in 1848 and promises you a time-honored tobacco tradition. So McConnell does not lack experience, which, as you know, can not be replaced by anything else. Through constant innovation and consistent quality, McConnell has managed to make McConnell choose aficionados around the world for almost two centuries. But McConnell does not rest on his success, but launches a completely new series with a total of 18 (!) Tabacco. The master blenders resorted to old recipes, with which the name of the series "Heritage" was born. We are sure that the new series will seamlessly continue the success of the previous product range. The Robert McConnell brand was founded in London in 1848 and promises you a time-honored tobacco tradition.Some of the names are pretty hilarious, by the way: The Old Sign, The Appetizer, Standard Medium, Royal Island, even Ready Rubbed. I don't think people will have much problem figuring out which is which! |
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Post by papipeguy on Sept 1, 2018 23:35:07 GMT -5
Very interesting, Chico. STG is the current producer of the Dunhill blends and I have heard that they will continue to produce those blends with different names after the Dunhill name "officially" disappears. So, we may be in for some confusion at some point. Sort of like what happened with the Peterson/Rattray blends when were changed a couple of years ago.
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Post by flyinmanatee on Sept 2, 2018 0:18:54 GMT -5
Very interesting, Chico. STG is the current producer of the Dunhill blends and I have heard that they will continue to produce those blends with different names after the Dunhill name "officially" disappears. So, we may be in for some confusion at some point. Sort of like what happened with the Peterson/Rattray blends when were changed a couple of years ago. The Dunhill's are also listed on the K&K site as well. How could that be if they weren't the last producers? Unless they're doing some kind of end run where it's part of the Dunhill deal. Why can't they just call it McConnell's Nightcap? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 1:21:04 GMT -5
But McConnell does not rest on his success, but launches a completely new series with a total of 18 (!) Tabacco. The master blenders resorted to old recipes, with which the name of the series "Heritage" was born. We are sure that the new series will seamlessly continue the success of the previous product range. The Robert McConnell brand was founded in London in 1848 and promises you a time-honored tobacco tradition.Some of the names are pretty hilarious, by the way: The Old Sign, The Appetizer, Standard Medium, Royal Island, even Ready Rubbed. I don't think people will have much problem figuring out which is which! Thanks, Chico. This is great news. The labels/names are too funny. I love it. Very interesting, Chico. STG is the current producer of the Dunhill blends and I have heard that they will continue to produce those blends with different names after the Dunhill name "officially" disappears. So, we may be in for some confusion at some point. Sort of like what happened with the Peterson/Rattray blends when were changed a couple of years ago. This is going to be interesting. 👍 |
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 2, 2018 6:30:37 GMT -5
If this is true then this is great news.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 2, 2018 7:22:19 GMT -5
i guess i can stop stocking up on three year matured VA, lol
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Post by Legend Lover on Sept 2, 2018 8:01:25 GMT -5
I wonder would they still be available in the UK?
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 2, 2018 8:16:07 GMT -5
Very interesting, Chico. STG is the current producer of the Dunhill blends and I have heard that they will continue to produce those blends with different names after the Dunhill name "officially" disappears. So, we may be in for some confusion at some point. Sort of like what happened with the Peterson/Rattray blends when were changed a couple of years ago. How could that be if they weren't the last producers? Unless they're doing some kind of end run where it's part of the Dunhill deal. Why can't they just call it McConnell's Nightcap? This has confused guys for years. K&K is a Dunhill distributor. McConnell did supplement Dunhill's in house production before Murray took over production but they have been bought out and moved so the connection with the Dunhill brand is not as strong as Orlik's is now.  |
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Post by papipeguy on Sept 2, 2018 8:28:27 GMT -5
To further confuse the issue there are 2 things at play. First are the Dunhill trademarks which I understand will remain with the company so they won't be used after that brand ceases sales. Second is ownership of the blend recipes the answer to which I have no idea. Let the games begin.
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Post by Lady Margaret on Sept 2, 2018 8:33:22 GMT -5
aha. okay, the stocking up has resumed, lol.
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Post by pappyjoe on Sept 2, 2018 8:35:27 GMT -5
To further confuse the issue there are 2 things at play. First are the Dunhill trademarks which I understand will remain with the company so they won't be used after that brand ceases sales. Second is ownership of the blend recipes the answer to which I have no idea. Let the games begin. Time and money will tell. Eventually someone will offer Dunhill enough money to make them sell the trademarks, names and recipes. |
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 2, 2018 9:26:15 GMT -5
What will be interesting will be what predicate date will the FDA use? 2007, 2017 or some time in the future before 2021? I was told that Orlik "sold" their "match" mixtures to a in house STG distributor before the cutoff date last year. Even if that doesn't work out I'm sure it would be worth it for Orlik to pay to get at least some of the "match" blend deemed for sale by the FDA. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 9:39:18 GMT -5
If the FDA goes by the 2007 year release of tobacco’s, whoever produces Dunhill or a good Match will be forced to stop production unless the FDA pushes the release date to 2017 through 2021. Time will tell👍
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:04:58 GMT -5
If the FDA goes by the 2007 year release of tobacco’s, whoever produces Dunhill or a good Match will be forced to stop production unless the FDA pushes the release date to 2017 through 2021. Time will tell👍 Or ... the whole mess could be rescinded since the FDA never had the authority to do this in the first place.  |
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Post by rmb on Sept 2, 2018 11:47:27 GMT -5
Looking forward to trying a tin of "Night Club"  I somehow feel that even if the tobacco inside were terrible a few of these tins are worth finding just for the resemblance and different (tongue in cheek maybe?) names. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 11:59:56 GMT -5
What will be interesting will be what predicate date will the FDA use? 2007, 2017 or some time in the future before 2021? I was told that Orlik "sold" their "match" mixtures to a in house STG distributor before the cutoff date last year. Even if that doesn't work out I'm sure it would be worth it for Orlik to pay to get at least some of the "match" blend deemed for sale by the FDA. But since Orlik was the official producer who had the actual recipes, they wouldn't really be "match" blends but the "actual" blends - meaning they wouldn't have the right to sell them, no? Perhaps the rights reverted to Dunhill who sold them to K&K/McConnell. If Orlik wants to do their own matches now, presumably they'll have to tweak the recipes. Then again, I have no idea how tobacco copyright laws work, and would not be surprised if some of the blends are already being sold under different names. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 14:22:57 GMT -5
If the FDA goes by the 2007 year release of tobacco’s, whoever produces Dunhill or a good Match will be forced to stop production unless the FDA pushes the release date to 2017 through 2021. Time will tell👍 Or ... the whole mess could be rescinded since the FDA never had the authority to do this in the first place. Couldn’t agree more! |
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Post by flyinmanatee on Sept 2, 2018 15:02:27 GMT -5
The Dunhill's are also listed on the K&K site as well. How could that be if they weren't the last producers? Unless they're doing some kind of end run where it's part of the Dunhill deal. Why can't they just call it McConnell's Nightcap? This has confused guys for years. K&K is a Dunhill distributor. McConnell did supplement Dunhill's in house production before Murray took over production but they have been bought out and moved so the connection with the Dunhill brand is not as strong as Orlik's is now. K&K is still a Dunhill distributor? Why would Dunhill let a distributor dilute it's trademarks with a blatant thing like this if it is still shopping its trademarks? I've heard rumblings that these blends will be closer to Murray's that could further deflate the Dunhill names. As you can see, I have no insight to any of this, just throwing out some random stuff for discussion. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 15:45:19 GMT -5
I was scrolling through the images and I thought, "What are they going to call Aperitif? Appetizer?" It was obvious, but I am not sure how good it sounds. Why don't they call Early Morning Pipe EMB? Sure to please.
I will buy those two mentioned, along with Nightclub, provided we don't see the Dunhill continuance. Or, maybe I'll try both and compare. I'm very happy with all the other brands, but having some tins around never hurt anyone.
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Post by monbla256 on Sept 2, 2018 16:17:15 GMT -5
No matter what happens, you will not see the Dunhill name on anything! Their corporate image wants Nothing to do with tobacco these days. True they sold the name and cigarette s to BAT but that was done BEFORE the corporate image change and they can't do anything about it. We might get some of the blends back but not the Dunhill name. It's dead as far as pipes, cigars and tobaccos goes.  |
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Post by Mork on Sept 2, 2018 16:22:03 GMT -5
This is awesome news if it pans out. I've long been in the camp that assumed we'd see the blends reincarnated.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 19:47:53 GMT -5
We might get some of the blends back but not the Dunhill name. It's dead as far as pipes, cigars and tobaccos goes. That's true, but "a rose by any other name would smell as sweet". |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2018 22:41:00 GMT -5
This is awesome news if it pans out. I've long been in the camp that assumed we'd see the blends reincarnated. Me too. Great news. Some of the names need some work though.  |
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Post by flyinmanatee on Sept 3, 2018 21:42:06 GMT -5
No matter what happens, you will not see the Dunhill name on anything! Their corporate image wants Nothing to do with tobacco these days. True they sold the name and cigarette s to BAT but that was done BEFORE the corporate image change and they can't do anything about it. We might get some of the blends back but not the Dunhill name. It's dead as far as pipes, cigars and tobaccos goes. We want nothing to do with tobacco...after every last tin in inventory is sold! |
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Post by greeneyes on Sept 3, 2018 21:59:45 GMT -5
i'll smoke this. and the other stuff. i'll take notes, compare reviews, and keep smoking them until they go out of production AGAIN! tobacco will never die!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 22:00:40 GMT -5
No matter what happens, you will not see the Dunhill name on anything! Their corporate image wants Nothing to do with tobacco these days. True they sold the name and cigarette s to BAT but that was done BEFORE the corporate image change and they can't do anything about it. We might get some of the blends back but not the Dunhill name. It's dead as far as pipes, cigars and tobaccos goes. We want nothing to do with tobacco...after every last tin in inventory is sold! You lost me, i.e., huh?  |
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Post by trailboss on Sept 3, 2018 22:10:37 GMT -5
We want nothing to do with tobacco...after every last tin in inventory is sold! You lost me, i.e., huh? He was channeling the voices the Dunhill board of directors. Them people that forgot about Alfred, Mary, and Richard Dunhill. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2018 22:21:51 GMT -5
You lost me, i.e., huh? He was channeling the voices the Dunhill board of directors. Them people that forgot about Alfred, Mary, and Richard Dunhill.Ahh, thank you. |
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Post by daveinlax on Sept 4, 2018 5:42:20 GMT -5
No matter what happens, you will not see the Dunhill name on anything! Their corporate image wants Nothing to do with tobacco these days. True they sold the name and cigarette s to BAT but that was done BEFORE the corporate image change and they can't do anything about it. We might get some of the blends back but not the Dunhill name. It's dead as far as pipes, cigars and tobaccos goes. We want nothing to do with tobacco...after every last tin in inventory is sold! LoL! British American is a billion dollar tobacco company and Dunhill is their flagship luxury brand. Tobacco and the Dunhill name will be around long after I’m gone. |
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